SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Typeical]

I would trade both of them unless Deron and Dwight want to come here to play with Iguodala. Say we can get Jeremy Lamb, Drummond, Okafor and Wes Matthews in two seperate trades involving both of them + Thad Young. And we would still have our #15 pick (Harkless/Perry Jones) to grab another nice prospect. That sounds a hell of a lot better for the future than Iguodala and Turner, two dudes who we KNOW aren't building blocks of a franchise. Jrue-Lamb-Harkless/PJ3-Drummond could be very nice in a few years. If we keep Turner around another year and he averages just about the exact same numbers, still can't shoot and we have a down year compared to this past year than his value will be even lower. I have a feeling that's what is gonna end up happening with him unless we bring in a superstar or two to make us a serious contender. Ya gotta either blow it up and go all young or have a couple superstars and solid role players and gun for a title. I expect the Raptors, Nets, Cavs and maybe Wizards to be improved young teams next season.

Doug Collins wouldnt approve. They dont want to rebuild

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Doug Collins wouldnt approve. They dont want to rebuild

Doug Collins would probably happily trade Andre Iguodala, but if Doug Collins is in charge, the franchise is doomed anyway

[Winejk]

So you would trade Turner and roll the dice that Iguodala doesn't invoke his ETO next summer?

Yes I would. I think Iguodala is a more important player for next season than Turner. I'm hopeful that Turner will make significant improvement, but I'm not betting on it.

Even if Iguodala opts out after next season, which I don't think he will, that means the Sixers will have his $15 million off the cap. Depending on what happens with Brand, you could potentially have $33 million coming off the salary cap. Philly should be able to get involved in some of the better FAs coming out next season with that kind of money coming off the cap.

[83SixersRocked]

The FO did right with one #2 (Stackhouse) and arguably with their #1 (AI). (Ray Allen #5, Nash #15.) Both AI and Stackhouse made a difference (though they played more than ET).

And management made the outstanding move of trading Stackhouse for Ratliff, McKie and Montross. It worked out for both teams and was the cornerstone trade that eventually led to the 2001 Finals appearance. Philly shouldn't be scared of trading #2 pick Turner if there is a good trade out there.

Wow I forgot all about Montross. That trade scared the hell outta me at the time (Theo who?), but great trade. Theo looked scared to death on the bench,which didn't help, but he had a great night: 17 & 7 and got almost every board after he went in.

Just checked the roster for that game. One for the archives (to burn and throw away).
Starters:
Jim Jackson
Allen Iverson
Tim Thomas
Derrick Coleman
Scott Williams

[Arsenal]

...and for the team to succeed we need to trade our 2nd overall pick with just one full regular season and one shortened regular season of experience for a rotational player.

THIS

For me, this year is put-up-or-shut-up time for The Villain. No more excuses. Iguodala will probably be gone. He will have three months to prepare himself - both physically and mentally - for being the starting SF on this team, getting 35 minutes a game and having the ball in his hands a lot. He needs to get in better shape...he needs to come up with a credible jumpshot (not Ray Allen, mind you...just an average 18-foot jumper)...and he needs to cut down on silly overhandling turnovers and be SOLID with the ball.

Get it right, Tony. No pressure.

While not suggesting that's what the 6ers should do I agree, as long as he starts and doesn't have that short leash. let him make his mistakes and get better faster...or not.

I agree It's also put up or shut up for the FO too. They've done a good job drafting mid-first round, but the first high pick in awhile hasn't quite panned out (hopefully) ''yet'. The 6ers ought to 'know what they have' by now and it's up to the FO, whether changes come via the draft, trade, or free agency (or some combination).

The FO did right with one #2 (Stackhouse) and arguably with their #1 (AI). (Ray Allen #5, Nash #15.) Both AI and Stackhouse made a difference (though they played more than ET).

Disagree 100% that Jerry Stackhouse was a good draft pick (BTW he was #3 overall behind Joe Smith and Antonio McDyess, not #2). The two picks right after him were Rasheed Wallace (#4) and Kevin Garnett (#5). Taking Stackhouse over Wallace was a big mistake, and taking him over Garnett was a HUGE mistake. Sort of like taking Evan Turner over Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins will turn out to be a big mistake. I do agree that the trade to get Ratliff / McKie was a good move.

[PhilasFinest]

Why would you draft Sheed or KG when you have Clarence Weatherspoon?

[83SixersRocked]

Disagree 100% that Jerry Stackhouse was a good draft pick (BTW he was #3 overall behind Joe Smith and Antonio McDyess, not #2). The two picks right after him were Rasheed Wallace (#4) and Kevin Garnett (#5). Taking Stackhouse over Wallace was a big mistake, and taking him over Garnett was a HUGE mistake. Sort of like taking Evan Turner over Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins will turn out to be a big mistake. I do agree that the trade to get Ratliff / McKie was a good move.

My bad, I could have sworn he was #2. Stackhouse was a good pick; I never said he was 'the best' pick but implicitly compared the selection (and his production) to Turner. KG was straight out of HS and a question mark (and a string bean). Stackhouse and Wallace both played for NC, and you pretty much pick one. It turned out to be a good draft year and there were a lot of good picks.

[aHealthy3]

Anyone else think Gortat could be pried from PHX? They've gotta be thinking about going into total tank mode this year with Nash finally gone and Gortat's value pretty high. Would an offer of Thad, Vucevic, and the #15 pick interest them? I think it could...

Granted we could pull that off, this is how my offseason plan would go, and I'll use specific players of people we can actually obtain because I hate using broad terms.

Trade for Gortat, amnesty EB, trade Iggy for Al Jefferson. Slide Turner to the 3 and sign Courtney Lee to start at the 2 for us, a guy who plays solid D, knocks down 3s and plays off the ball. He is restricted but I doubt Houston who has to worry about re-signing Dragic would match 6 or 7 mil a year which I would give him. Sign a guy like John Lucas to back up Holiday and provide some spark off the bench. Sign a semi-cheap marginal backup big like Ian Mahinmi. Resign Meeks and Lavoy for cheap.

Lineup:
Holiday/Lucas
Lee/Meeks
Turner/Sam Young?
Jefferson/Lavoy
Gortat/Mahinmi

That team doesn't have any glaring weaknesses to me and I believe would make us the 2nd best team in the east with Rose being a question mark..thoughts?

[freshie2]

Doug Collins wouldnt approve. They dont want to rebuild

Doug Collins would probably happily trade Andre Iguodala, but if Doug Collins is in charge, the franchise is doomed anyway

,!

Didn't DC want Favors instead of Turner? That decision would seem to have been in line with taking E. James over R.Williams ...that dooms the franchise?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

It's too early to tell... Not everyting is the same either.

[51X3RF4N]

Lineup:
Holiday/Lucas
Lee/Meeks
Turner/Sam Young?
Jefferson/Lavoy
Gortat/Mahinmi

That team doesn't have any glaring weaknesses to me and I believe would make us the 2nd best team in the east with Rose being a question mark..thoughts?

First, if I'm doing the trade for Jefferson, I'm getting Watson. So you wouldn't need to sign Lucas. 2nd, if I'm amnestying Brand, I'm looking to spend that money on something more than just Mahinmi and Lee. Some of it can be used on Lavoy of course.

Jrue/Watson
??/Meeks
Turner/S. Young
Jefferson/Lavoy
Gortat/??

Remember, there's also 2 2nd round picks to work with in this scenario, plus most of EB's money. I think the Sixers can find a better SG or SF than Courtney Lee for Brand's $$, and use the 2nd round picks on big men to compete off the bench.

Maybe offer Batum and E. Gordon max deals, since you could afford it at that point. Add Mahinmi or another vet C for cheap.

Jrue/Watson
Gordon/Turner/Meeks
Batum/Turner
Jefferson/Lavoy
Gortat/Mahinmi

[Do the Jrue]

^ That team would be awesome. The team that the other guy posted with Courtney Lee would probably be weak as hell...a bench of Lucas, Meeks, Sam Young, Lavoy and Mahinmi would have to be among the worst in the league, if not THE worst in the league. I would definitely make amnestying Brand, offering Eric Gordon the max and trading Iguodala for Al Jefferson the first priorities for this team. The Suns would definitely take Thad, Vuc and the #15 but I think that might be a wee bit too much for him. Maybe give them one of the two of Thad or Vuc and the #15, or just Thad and Vuc. Batum would be a real nice get as well but he sure as hell isn't worth the max if that's what somebody is gonna give him. He should get a deal right in the Iguodala range.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Didn't DC want Favors instead of Turner? That decision would seem to have been in line with taking E. James over R.Williams ...that dooms the franchise?

My understanding is that yes, Doug Collins wanted to draft Derrick Favors over Evan Turner. It is also my understanding from various news articles that Doug Collins holds a lot more sway and power in terms of the roster than he did two years ago. I expect if that draft were this year, the sixers very well could have drafted Derrick Favors (though I still would have wanted DeMarcu Cousins, the most talented player in the draft, mental can be fixed, talent can not be learned).

I think the concept of giving Doug Collins the control he is reported to want and be getting dooms the franchise

[ankle420breaker]

I'm not so sure Phoenix is looking to trade Gortat. Big men are at a premium and he's a piece they probably want to build around. Two role players and a mid-first round pick might not be enough to change their mind.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

I'm not so sure Phoenix is looking to trade Gortat. Big men are at a premium and he's a piece they probably want to build around. Two role players and a mid-first round pick might not be enough to change their mind.

If Nash does not re-sign with the suns, I believe Gortat would be gettable due to the fact that the Suns would then be awful, Gortat is not a piece you build around...he is a good piece but not a franchise piece, so the suns would be smart to maximize his value while they can.

[ankle420breaker]

I'm not so sure Phoenix is looking to trade Gortat. Big men are at a premium and he's a piece they probably want to build around. Two role players and a mid-first round pick might not be enough to change their mind.

If Nash does not re-sign with the suns, I believe Gortat would be gettable due to the fact that the Suns would then be awful, Gortat is not a piece you build around...he is a good piece but not a franchise piece, so the suns would be smart to maximize his value while they can.

If Nash leaves, that makes him more expendable. Not to mention, I didn't realize that Gortat is already 28. Not saying he's old, but I thought he was closer to 26. 28 is a much tighter window for a team starting from scratch and he would likely just be their ping pong ball killer.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

If Nash leaves, that makes him more expendable. Not to mention, I didn't realize that Gortat is already 28. Not saying he's old, but I thought he was closer to 26. 28 is a much tighter window for a team starting from scratch and he would likely just be their ping pong ball killer.

If the plan is to improve the team than Gortat is a good target as he's a vast improvement over the sixers current front court and could be got cheaply once the sixers use the amnesty on elton brand (absorb the contract give up a pick or minor roster piece like #8?)

[aHealthy3]

Lineup:
Holiday/Lucas
Lee/Meeks
Turner/Sam Young?
Jefferson/Lavoy
Gortat/Mahinmi

That team doesn't have any glaring weaknesses to me and I believe would make us the 2nd best team in the east with Rose being a question mark..thoughts?

First, if I'm doing the trade for Jefferson, I'm getting Watson. So you wouldn't need to sign Lucas. 2nd, if I'm amnestying Brand, I'm looking to spend that money on something more than just Mahinmi and Lee. Some of it can be used on Lavoy of course.

Jrue/Watson
??/Meeks
Turner/S. Young
Jefferson/Lavoy
Gortat/??

Remember, there's also 2 2nd round picks to work with in this scenario, plus most of EB's money. I think the Sixers can find a better SG or SF than Courtney Lee for Brand's $$, and use the 2nd round picks on big men to compete off the bench.

Maybe offer Batum and E. Gordon max deals, since you could afford it at that point. Add Mahinmi or another vet C for cheap.

Jrue/Watson
Gordon/Turner/Meeks
Batum/Turner
Jefferson/Lavoy
Gortat/Mahinmi

Nice team, there's no way I'm throwing max at Batum though.

[KrazySixersD]

mahinmi is a guy i would like to bring in here at center atleast off the bench

[PhilasFinest]

If mahinmi was cheap I would. He's got energy size and athleticism.

I'd take that on thus squad.