Wiz trade Shard and 2nd rounder for Okafor and Ariza

Post #221 » by **Rafael122** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:03 pm

tontoz wrote:The only way this trade makes any sense at all is if they plan on trading Okafor before opening day. If both guys are on the opening day roster this trade is a disaster.

iirc, you have to wait until December to trade any of those guys.

Dat2U · Post #222 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:05 pm

So guys, what happened to Teddy's grand rebuilding plan?

B/W this and the Nene trade, this looks an awful lot like Ernie's ideal way of rebuilding.

Jay81 · Post #223 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:08 pm

Dat2U wrote:So guys, what happened to Teddy's grand rebuilding plan?

B/W this and the Nene trade, this looks an awful lot like Ernie's ideal way of rebuilding.

this is exactly how the bullets rebuilt in the 80s

1) traded for overage Moses Malone
2) traded over overage gus Williams
3) Traded for over age Dan Roundfield,etc
4) drafted players of need(Kenny Green) than over BPA(Karl Malone)

We had alot of 39-43,42-40 seasons in the 80s. Is this what Ted wants?

Jay81 · Post #224 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:10 pm

"We are pleased to add two more solid pieces as we continue to build our roster with a balance of proven veterans and the core of young talent that we have developed," said Ernie Grunfeld in formally announcing the trade. "Emeka's defensive presence and rebounding ability will combine with Trevor’s versatility to add new dimensions to our frontcourt, and both players fit in very well with the type of team-first culture that we have been working to establish."

keynote · Post #225 » by **keynote** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:10 pm

Prada on Twitter:

On why do this deal now, EG said he thinks he knows who the teams drafting ahead of the Wizards are taking

Dat2U · Post #226 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:11 pm

Once again this is yet another example of Ernie going all in... for depth, lol.

First time it was Foye & Miller. Now it's Okafor & Ariza.

I don't think the man has a clue of what he's doing unless it's to cover his own ass or assign blame elsewhere for his mistakes.

keynote · Post #227 » by **keynote** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:12 pm

Jay81 wrote:"Emeka's defensive presence and rebounding ability will combine with Trevor’s versatility to add new dimensions to our frontcourt, and both players fit in very well with the type of team-first culture that we have been working to establish."

Interesting that EG referred to Ariza as a front court player, and not a swingman. I wonder if he thinks Ariza can play SG alongside Barnes or MKG.

KevinFCheng · Post #228 » by **KevinFCheng** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:12 pm

keynote wrote:Prada on Twitter:
On why do this deal now, EG said he thinks he knows who the teams drafting ahead of the Wizards are taking

Uhh it's not that hard. There are only 2 teams ahead of the Wizards and one of them will be picking Anthony Davis. He's Nostradamus then.

J-Ves · Post #229 » by **J-Ves** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:12 pm

Worst offense ever?

Wall
MKG
Ariza
Vesely
(Your choice of center here)

keynote · Post #230 » by **keynote** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:15 pm

KevinFCheng wrote:
keynote wrote:Prada on Twitter:
On why do this deal now, EG said he thinks he knows who the teams drafting ahead of the Wizards are taking

Uhh it's not that hard. There are only 2 teams ahead of the Wizards and one of them will be picking Anthony Davis. He's Nostradamus then.

? There are three or four players in play at #2. Do you have a take on which one of those guys will be going to the _Cats?

Jay81 · Post #231 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:15 pm

J-Ves wrote:Worst offense ever?

Wall
MKG
Ariza
Vesely
(Your choice of center here)

Wall will come back with a jumper
MKG has a great motor which means great jumper coming soon
Vesley is spending all summer working on his jumper

GhostsOfGil · Post #232 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:17 pm

So say bye bye to "James 20 PER Singleton."

I guess its a good trade...Seraphin and Booker's minutes will be reduced while pushing Ves to inactive. Also it was going to be impossible to add a 3 as productive as Ariza in the FA for over 7 mill a year. :roll:

McGully Culkin · Post #233 » by **McGully Culkin** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:17 pm

Why are people comparing this to the Foye/Miller trade? Last I checked, we didn't give up the #3.

Post #234 » by **W. Unseld** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:17 pm

To answer my own question, it looks like these are two year deals meaning both Ariza and Okafor could have trade value in their second season. Less than ideal but not a death sentence by any means.

dandridge 10 · Post #235 » by **dandridge 10** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:19 pm

Dat2U wrote:Once again this is yet another example of Ernie going all in... for depth, lol.

First time it was Foye & Miller. Now it's Okafor & Ariza.

I don't think the man has a clue of what he's doing unless it's to cover his own ass or assign blame elsewhere for his mistakes.

I'm not that thrilled with the trade either (although I am waiting until after the summer to draw any definitive conclusions), but I don't think this is anything like Foye and Miller. This team is a LOT younger than that team. Foye and Miller were brought in with the false illusion we were a championship contender and to get us over the hump. Okafor and Ariza were brought in simply to make us more competitive and help our young players developed. Totally different situation.

Dat2U · Post #236 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:21 pm

J-Ves wrote:Worst offense ever?

Wall
MKG
Ariza
Vesely
(Your choice of center here)

MKG is a SF... only.

Ariza is a SF... only.

MikeTheKid · Post #237 » by **MikeTheKid** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:21 pm

After 2 hours of venting, Im still venting but hopefully theres still another trade in the works in the next week

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #238 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:21 pm

BruceO wrote:I would have liked the tenth pick but to be honest we don't know whether or not that was on the table. About the current players we acquired keep in mind we got them for rashard lewis who was going to contribute nothing this year. So we are not getting worse offensively because emeka plus ariza is greater than rashard. I actually love this trade, would really love it with the tenth but c la vie.

I am excited about what we can be defensively. In the past nba you find players eg Shawn Marion looking really bad because of the team situation they are in. Then go to another team and you wonder when did this happen th,m getting better. Emeka was basically shut down this year, he and Kaman but before this season he has played many games and missed few and you can see a player like garnett playing at an old age at a high level. Emeka was a franchise player and not too recently he returned a value of Tyson chandler. He shows well with a good pg and hasn't really had that luxury other than when they brought him in for Chris Paul.another thing is his contract is much shorter than nenes and hr has also not had the luxury of playing with another big as good as nene, so together that combination defensively is going to be great. Another thing is they all have very good fg percentages. Nenes weaknesses were rebounding and shot blocking. Now go look at emeka older game logs and see if he can make up for this deficit. Some say he is undersized, which east coast team bigs can dominate ours or cause mismatches?
Also as far as the ok'd model we are still following that somehow. Nene And emeka are both better than Perkins. We are still waiting on vessels to become ibaka type or something equally as good. Wall is Russell Westbrook and beal is James harden. In fact beal is the better shooter and hardens handle and passing amity is overrated but they are equal. Trevor ariza is going to be thabo sefolosha We are missing the rare player in Durant though. If the old adage is true that defense wins championships we can go with nene, emeka, wall, ariza and mkg or beal. With two players we like Charlotte can't use this move for any leverage.
Some ask who is going to score but when you look at the Chicago team who other than wall was a scorer? I am happy about this move because we are signaling we are trying to make moves to get better and the front office has recognized we can't get free agents clean so e are acquiring them via trades. Bottom line is those two players in a good situation will provide solid play.

Okafor, Nene, Seraphin, Vesely, Booker, James Singleton, Ariza, Chris Singleton, Mo Evans, Bradley Beal, Crawford, Mack, John Wall.

Washington DC actually has an NBA team again. :wizard:

Wizardspride · Post #239 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:22 pm

I never thought I'd say this but I'd rather have Dan Snyder as the Wiz owner.

WTF EG?

WTF Ted?

dandridge 10 · Post #240 » by **dandridge 10** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:24 pm

Dat2U wrote:Once again this is yet another example of Ernie going all in... for depth, lol.

First time it was Foye & Miller. Now it's Okafor & Ariza.

I don't think the man has a clue of what he's doing unless it's to cover his own ass or assign blame elsewhere for his mistakes.

I'm not thrilled with the trade either (although I will wait until the summer is over to pass any definitive judgment). However, this trade is nothing like Foye and Miller. This team is a lot younger than that team. Foye and Miller were brought in with the false illusion we could be a championship contender with them as the missing pieces. Okafor and Ariza are being brought here with not such illusions. The trade was made to make us more competitive while our young players develop. Totally different situation.