Wiz trade Shard and 2nd rounder for Okafor and Ariza

[NotMyRealName]

We'll give you Okafor for Kevin Martin. If that were to happen, I would take back all of my criticisms. That would actually make a lot of sense.

I guess that would depend on how Morey values Okafor.

My guess would be that if it's Martin for Okafor, you guys would have too add value somehow...

...and if it is Martin for Nene, the Rockets would have to add value.

[Dat2U]

Whatever the basketball equivalency of the 'battered wife syndrome' is called, Wizards fans have it and this thread is a prime example of it.

Some folks here will defend any and everything Ernie does. No matter how little sense it makes.

Two days from now, half the people who hate the trade today will come around on it and love it.

[nuposse04]

We'll give you Okafor for Kevin Martin. If that were to happen, I would take back all of my criticisms. That would actually make a lot of sense.

I guess that would depend on how Morey values Okafor.

My guess would be that if it's Martin for Okafor, you guys would have too add value somehow...

...and if it is Martin for Nene, the Rockets would have to add value.

I'd give crawford and a future 2nd. Not sure If that would seal the deal but it would be worth a shot.

[Upper Decker]

hi guys, i am not a wizard fan but i would like to ask you a question.

do you think yr team can achieve something like 38-40 wins in the next season with this trade?
I think you have e reliable paint defense right now and wall just needs some veterans expericence to play with.
the Pf and C position is deep and reliable.

thanks a lot.

As things stand now the range is 35-40. If things break right, i.e Wall becomes the star he's capable of becoming and Beal is a contender for ROY then high 40's seem possible.

[dandridge 10]

Who did you think the Wizards could get in the next two years that would be real difference makers? Okafor at least provides a need on the rebounding side. People are acting like he is old and sucks. He is only 29. Before he was injured last year, he was averaging a double double.

He's had back trouble and knee trouble. His explosiveness and athleticism is basically gone. He's still a good rebounder and a respectable defender but right now I'd say he's the 3rd best center on the roster.

And it really doesn't matter what I think we could have done with the cap space. You can't validate a bad move by saying what else could we have done? We could have done nothing and it would have been better. Okafor & Ariza aren't stepping in and winning us 20 more games next season. They'll just eat up cap space and make it tougher for Vesely & Seraphin to develop.

Okafor has been healthy until last year. I have heard nothing that would indicate that his injuries are expected to continue, so I don't know why you say his explosiveness and athleticism is gone. And, you indicate that he is a good rebounder...that is one of our biggest needs right now.

There is no guarantee that doing nothing would have been better. Maybe more veterans will help Vesely and Seraphin develop? Certainly, McGee and Andray certainly didnt develop by just playing more minutes.

Listen, I don't know if this was a bad or a good trade. I just think its too early to say its a horrible one. Time will tell.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

We're probably going to deal Booker for a SG or SF. There just isn't any room on the roster for him now.

And Blatche better be getting amnestied.

+1

[dandridge 10]

Whatever the basketball equivalency of the 'battered wife syndrome' is called, Wizards fans have it and this thread is a prime example of it.

Some folks here will defend any and everything Ernie does. No matter how little sense it makes.

Two days from now, half the people who hate the trade today will come around on it and love it.

Ha, I agree with you here! Thing is, even people that dislike the trade will try to find some silver lining in an effort to keep the hope alive. I guess I am one of them...trying to talk myself and others into accepting the trade.

[keynote]

Doris Day on twitter:

@kevin_seraphin: je suis confiant meme apres ce trade

"I am confident even after this trade" (acc. to Google Translate)

[FAH1223]

Whatever the basketball equivalency of the 'battered wife syndrome' is called, Wizards fans have it and this thread is a prime example of it.

Some folks here will defend any and everything Ernie does. No matter how little sense it makes.

Two days from now, half the people who hate the trade today will come around on it and love it.

+1

To put the icing on the cake, let's see Ernie draft Harrison Barnes at 3.

I'm just gonna take in the entertainment at this point. I'm not even angry anymore.

[MF23]

Just heard about this trade. To my understanding the Wizards traded Lewis for Ariza and Okafor. The Wizards should have gotten more out of that trade!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Whatever the basketball equivalency of the 'battered wife syndrome' is called, Wizards fans have it and this thread is a prime example of it.

Some folks here will defend any and everything Ernie does. No matter how little sense it makes.

Two days from now, half the people who hate the trade today will come around on it and love it.

Dat, it's 18 pages into the thread and I am pretty speechless. Ernie's knocked my gray matter around so many drafts and now this….

I bitched at the McGee trade because it smacked of young for old and spending on an injured player, who makes $13M per. But guess what? In the short run that looked pretty good! Now, they go and get another guy pretty similar to Nene because…they don't want to buy out Rashard.

Wow. I'm sure the young guys who had all that chemistry going will enjoy being forced to the bench to guys who make more money.

I am sure Nene as unquestioned team leader is a thing of the past. I am sure Seraphin plays less minutes. I guess Booker gets traded.

Still, WTF. I don't know what else to say.

[VictorPage44]

Ariza's TS% the last 3 years:

49.6%
48.7
48.8

All 3 years are worse than what Wall and Crawford had this past season.

Okafor's PER and TS% were both worse than Seraphin's this year.

Wait till CCJ finds out about this.

Does Seraphin also play perimeter d like Ariza and rebound like Okafor?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wow, weren't we just specilating about a trade just like that? This board is impressive.

Hmm, does EG get his ideas from here?

Hey, I know where Mo Almond came from.

Honestly, this is interesting. I don't really know. If the chemistry works out you have to say the Wizards got talent for a second round pick.

Seems like a crowded roster, but they kept the #3. How bad can this be?

[keynote]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/6/20 ... eka-okafor

On why they didn't just buy out Lewis' contract: "It would have been for a player that doesn't give you anything. This way, you get two players that are going to give you something on the court at positions we wanted to fill, and we get those players at a pretty good price for the first year especially, in light of that buyout we were going to have to pay to Rashard."

EG's math: if you look at Lewis' $13-14M buyout as a sunk cost, then the Wizards are getting Emeka & Ariza for $7M in salary for Year 1. Of course, that balloons up to $22M or so in Year 2...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wow, weren't we just specilating about a trade just like that? This board is impressive.

Hmm, does EG get his ideas from here?

I don't feel like scouring the trade threads of months ago to confirm that I was the first with this idea, but I'm pretty sure I can take credit for this one.

Feels good to be heard, doesn't it

We'll see how this works out, LR.

[VictorPage44]

okafor has always been top 10-15 in total rebound percentage.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This is a HORRIBLE trade unless we're getting the #10 pick.

Okafor is redundant with Nene and Seraphin. We simply don't need him. Ariza is a decent wing but not any better than what we can find in free agency. Only with this trade, we obliterate any potential cap room in 2013. I just don't understand it.

EG acts at his owner's behest. Ted Leonsis didn't want to buyout Lewis or amnesty Blatche.

I expect another deal, possibly involving Booker and/or Seraphin that includes Blatche.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

okafor has always been top 10-15 in total rebound percentage.

So has Javale McGee. For his career, Okafor's 18% total rebound percentage isn't much better than McGee's 16% TRB.

In fact, last season for the Wizards Javale rebounded at 18.2% on total rebounds.

[manu chao]

hi guys, i am not a wizard fan but i would like to ask you a question.

do you think yr team can achieve something like 38-40 wins in the next season with this trade?
I think you have e reliable paint defense right now and wall just needs some veterans expericence to play with.
the Pf and C position is deep and reliable.

thanks a lot.

As things stand now the range is 35-40. If things break right, i.e Wall becomes the star he's capable of becoming and Beal is a contender for ROY then high 40's seem possible.

thank you!

[penbeast0]

Been looking at Okafor trades for a couple of years now . . . before the Nene deal (and as a less expensive and nearly as useful equivalent). Now, I'm not fond of it as we need the minutes to develop Seraphin and see if Vesely will be a legit NBA big. Plus we get Ariza who is another badly overpriced player and shouldn't start over Chris Singleton even.

At least we could have dumped Blatche on them, sheesh. On the plus side, another two very professional players who play defense and we should be a playoff contender this year. Our floor is a lot higher with this much depth.