Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard (POR)

[fredericklove]

Look at Stats per 40 pace adjusted for Lamb Fred.

Oh, you mean look at pace adjusted, ohh, why you said adjust then , ts not even a "basic" actual stat. Using "on pace for 40 mins" analysis now? Give it up man.

[DG88]

Look at Stats per 40 pace adjusted for Lamb Fred.

Oh, you mean look at pace adjusted, ohh, why you said adjust then , ts not even a "basic" actual stat. Using "on pace for 40 mins" analysis now? Give it up man.

Fred we know you love Lamb but you don't have to come to his defense every damn time. It's starting to get annoying now. Just ignore cdel00 for all we know both Lillard and Lamb will both be good prospects in the NBA either for the Raptors or for another team.

[fredericklove]

Look at Stats per 40 pace adjusted for Lamb Fred.

Oh, you mean look at pace adjusted, ohh, why you said adjust then , ts not even a "basic" actual stat. Using "on pace for 40 mins" analysis now? Give it up man.

Fred we know you love Lamb but you don't have to come to his defense every damn time. It's starting to get annoying now. Just ignore cdel00 for all we know both Lillard and Lamb will both be good prospects in the NBA either for the Raptors or for another team.

Fair enough, I solved my case here. Hey if we get Lillard though, I'll be okay with it. Won't get mad or think the world's gonna end, I'll just be okay with it. And precisely, I'll be happy if he does pan out.

[DG88]

Fred we know you love Lamb but you don't have to come to his defense every damn time. It's starting to get annoying now. Just ignore cdel00 for all we know both Lillard and Lamb will both be good prospects in the NBA either for the Raptors or for another team.

Fair enough, I solved my case here. Hey if we get Lillard though, I'll be okay with it. Won't get mad or think the world's gonna end, I'll just be okay with it. And precisely, I'll be happy if he does pan out.

See there ya go, we're all Raptors fans on here bud. I'll be happy with whoever we draft (minus Perry Jones) at least we're adding talent to this roster.

[S.W.A.N]

This lamb argument is lame.

Lamb improved his scoring this year, he shot better 2point % worse 3point %. His rebounding and steals were not improved, he just kept same pace over more minutes played.

Both sides have valid points, both sides have their heads up their butts.

Lamb is most definitely a better player now after having gone through his second season but his statistical improvement only came in a few categories.

[cdel00]

Anywyas

Look at Stats per 40 pace adjusted for Lamb Fred.

Oh, you mean look at pace adjusted, ohh, why you said adjust then , ts not even a "basic" actual stat. Using "on pace for 40 mins" analysis now? Give it up man.

Fred we know you love Lamb but you don't have to come to his defense every damn time. It's starting to get annoying now. Just ignore cdel00 for all we know both Lillard and Lamb will both be good prospects in the NBA either for the Raptors or for another team.

DG he can ignore me all he wants but the facts are the facts and poor Fred hasn't learned the meaning of the stats per 40 yet.

I'll try and explain. The Stats per 40 pace adjusted trys to level the mins per game and possessions per game. In Lambs freshman year he played something like 30 percent less in hiss soph year. So when comparing Lambs fredhman season to his Sophnore season the per 40 stat set levels the playing field by fixing the court time to a constant its used for an apples to apples comparison.

[Fenris-77]

Anyone who doesn't know what pace adjusted metrics are are working with a handicap. Aren't we supposed to be nice to handicapped people?

Per40 (or Per36, whatever) are a fine tool to use in this instance. The fact that someone may not know how to use that tool is their problem, not anyone else's.

[cdel00]

Anyone who doesn't know what pace adjusted metrics are are working with a handicap. Aren't we supposed to be nice to handicapped people?

Per40 (or Per36, whatever) are a fine tool to use in this instance. The fact that someone may not know how to use that tool is their problem, not anyone else's.

I try and play nice but get frustrated sometimes

[JamesNaismith]

I like Lillard (second to Lamb) as our pick but I wanted to find out what are some of his bigger supporters expectations or beliefs of what he will become at his potential?

Genuinely interested....no bs agenda here.

Because when I look at our pick and consider where it is in the draft I think a guy like Lamb is perfect because he's a kid who absolutely THRIVES as a second option (not gamewise but just in the role) almost Pippenish where he almost seems to enjoy it more. He ends up making big defensive plays, clutch shots and basically stepping up when need when you look at UCONN's championship. Plus he's had some incredibly rapid development from not starting until his last 2 years in HS, to none top 100 recruit, to not even being a blip on the radar, to 2nd best player on a national champion, to top scoring wing in the lotto..

Lillard, I can't tell how happy I would be because what will be his role and how great of an effect are we expecting to get?! Giving he does seem to be a strong leader and as evidenced by his college career looks to take over for his team (great attributes) but if that's the case and he becomes OUR team leader how good of player do you think he can be considering that would be our "best" player and team leader?

I don't know; Lillard has me split but still 2nd on my board.

[CPT]

I actually prefer Lamb to Lillard (and Austin Rivers to both, but that's another story), but the arguments in this thread have been difficult to read.

It's pretty baffling that people can come up with raw point totals increasing from one year to another as proof of improvement with no thought given to playing time, shots, role on the team, team success, efficiency, etc. Or think we are supposed to be excited about a 0.4 increase in RPG without considering the same factors.

Lillard looks great in those workout drills, but I still have my doubts about a Junior from a weak conference that I had never heard of about a month ago. I can't fully dismiss him just for those reasons, but it would make me a lot more comfortable if someone ahead of us (Portland or Sacramento) took the risk.

[S.W.A.N]

I like Lillard (second to Lamb) as our pick but I wanted to find out what are some of his bigger supporters expectations or beliefs of what he will become at his potential?

Genuinely interested....no bs agenda here.

Because when I look at our pick and consider where it is in the draft I think a guy like Lamb is perfect because he's a kid who absolutely THRIVES as a second option (not gamewise but just in the role) almost Pippenish where he almost seems to enjoy it more. He ends up making big defensive plays, clutch shots and basically stepping up when need when you look at UCONN's championship. Plus he's had some incredibly rapid development from not starting until his last 2 years in HS, to none top 100 recruit, to not even being a blip on the radar, to 2nd best player on a national champion, to top scoring wing in the lotto..

Lillard, I can't tell how happy I would be because what will be his role and how great of an effect are we expecting to get?! Giving he does seem to be a strong leader and as evidenced by his college career looks to take over for his team (great attributes) but if that's the case and he becomes OUR team leader how good of player do you think he can be considering that would be our "best" player and team leader?

I don't know; Lillard has me split but still 2nd on my board.

I don't hate lamb think he should be in mix, as should Lillard...

As for Lillard potential. I honestly think the Bayless and Jeff Teague comparisons aren't that far off.

An aggressive athletic scoring pg who will run the pick and roll with Val. Projects to be a plus defender and already has one elite skill (shooting)

I think the difference between Bayless and Lillard is basketball I.Q. And I am not dissing Bayless when I say that, he still has a tonne of potential but doesn't seem to have the confidence of the coaching staff which is huge. If we draft Lillard it is because management and Casey think he can do a better job running the team then Bayless.

[TheRaptor!]

I see the Raptors drafting him for one big reason.

Our PG position is set with Nash mentoring him for the future. SF is solved through trade. It only makes sense. We won't get Barnes and we don't need a SG with Derozan here.

[RaptorReloaded]

I see the Raptors drafting him for one big reason.

Our PG position is set with Nash mentoring him for the future. SF is solved through trade. It only makes sense. We won't get Barnes and we don't need a SG with Derozan here.

I'd rather have Nash mentor Rivers.

[JamesNaismith]

I see the Raptors drafting him for one big reason.

Our PG position is set with Nash mentoring him for the future. SF is solved through trade. It only makes sense. We won't get Barnes and we don't need a SG with Derozan here.

I'd rather have Nash mentor Rivers.

I wouldn't.

IMO Rivers is a SG but everyone would like him to be a PG because he simply doesn't have the ideal physical aspects of a SG. I know both him and Lillard are scorers but I'm not sure what it is about Lillard that seems a lot more suited to PG (and it's not just height). Rivers just already seems extremely iso-heavy and doesn't seem with in the flow of a game where as Lillard does. I watch Austin and a lot of times his play seems so forced where as Damian has a nice feel for the game and if he could improve on his passing I think he could be a very solid PG.

I'm not even sure Rivers can be that much of a better passer being so iso-heavy...him beating the ball into the ground just seems counter productive to team offence imo.

[ballocks]

Imo Lillard is the lesser of two evils when compared to a Tier 2 wing (Harkless, Waiters, Lamb, etc.). He's the best (or most developed) 1 and for that reason I wouldn't mind taking him, but for only that reason. Sort of like 2004 and Jameer... you could do worse, but he's also not the answer. I would not mind this draft if they weren't looking for such a core piece. It puts the Raptors in such a press- but one they should have foreseen.

With the odds stacked against this pick, I give Lillard the best chance to excel- but still wouldn't put my money on him. The Raptors probably need more depending on how ready Jonas is for the big city lights.

peace

[No-lillard]

Please don't draft LILLARD !

A lot of questions (and answers)

Q1) He's young?
A. Not exactly, Bayless is 2 year older, DD only 1 year older
But they had a lot of experience, Lillard nothing

Q2) He played with good teammates?
A. NEVER.
I.e. Bayless played with Budinger and Jordan Hill when he was freshman, DD with Taj Gibson

Q3) Nice stats, 24 PPG. Where he played? Opponents teams?

A.Big Sky 16 games against Monrtana, Montana St., Idaho St.
Ridiculous

Q4) Who played in that conference?
A. Nobody... Look at the PAC-10 when Bayless was freshman
Love,Westbrook, Collison,Mbah a Moute, Lopez twins, Hairston, Ryan Anderson, DeAndre Jordan, Harden, Brockman,OJ Mayo, Taj Gibson, Pendergraph
Agains this opponents Bayless (freshman) scored 19.7 PPG
I think 19.7 against this players is MUCH better than 24 against scrubs

Q5) What happen when Lillard play against decent (not excellent) teams?
A. Against BYU 5/12, 15 points, 2 A, 3 TO
Against California 4/17, 14 point, 3 A, 3 TOs
Read this now
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=313500025

BERKELEY, Calif. -- Jorge Gutierrez scored 24 points and held Damian Lillard, the nation's leading scorer, to his worst offensive performance of the season as California beat Weber State 77-57 on Friday night.

Maybe we can pick Gutierrez, not Lillard

Lillard= BUST OF THE DRAFT

[JunkYardSubs]

Lillard seems like an excellent shooter the only concerns are the ones stated above

[God Squad]

He made a realgm account to bash on Lillard. Classic. But most if not all of what he mentioned is true.

[HolyMage110]

DONT DRAFT DAMIAN. he played againest such weak pgs and this draft is so weak in pgs as well. he's old but he can shoot. bayless would be a much better player to resign then draft him. AND HES ONLY DOING SOLOWORKOUTS, AND HES A PG. what does that say..

[Fenris-77]

AND HES ONLY DOING SOLOWORKOUTS, AND HES A PG. what does that say..

That he's a lottery pick acting like a lottery pick? Keep in mind he was one of the only lotto guys to actually participate in the combine, unlike, say, Lamb, who didn't participate at all. What I;m getting at here is that you don't really have a point of any kind. Top marks for egregious use of all caps though.