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Post#1221 » by hands11 » Tue May 29, 2012 3:22 am

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/5/28 ... #storyjump

Can't wait to see more Keveen next year.
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Post#1224 » by dobrojim » Tue May 29, 2012 7:45 pm

I thought it striking that in the bullets forever piece that hands linked it talked
about KSera, the PF, when AFAIK, that was not a position he really played (cue CCJ).

And to me, I still think of him as a 5 with Nene being the 4 when I envision them
playing together which I hope we see a fair amount of, assuming of course that
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Post#1225 » by gordito » Tue May 29, 2012 8:21 pm

With the presence of Nene and the emergence of Seraphin, as well as last year's lottery pick in Vesely, do you guys see the Wizards taking Drummond or Robinson if they get a pick around #2-#5? Cleary they would take Davis if they were to win the lottery, but I don't think the talent of Drummond or Robinson outweighs the fact that the Wizards would have a very clogged frontcourt if they selected one of these guys.

I think the Wizards will avoid Drummond at all costs, unless he falls very low to them, given the past issues with guys like McGee, Blatche and Young. I've seen a lot of suggestions to take Robinson, but I'm not sure his ceiling is even higher than Seraphin (they are only a year apart).

Also, do you see any future in Seraphin at PF? Or do you see him strictly as a C? Personally, I think the Wizards should work on developing him as a PF, due to him being very undersized at the C position. Also, I think Nene is a better fit at C.
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Post#1226 » by dobrojim » Tue May 29, 2012 8:29 pm

for our prospects of drafting Drummond, see our draft thread - most don't like the idea
much but many of those same grudgingly say it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

as for Kev/Nene - I think right now Nene has more 4 skills than KSera.
Seraphin did show reasonable range on his shot but his ballhandling is
probably not what one would like to see from their 4, at least dribbling.
His passing seemed OK. His(Sera) biggest shortcoming in his starting time was
low production of defensive rebounds which was a team weakness all year.
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Post#1227 » by tontoz » Tue May 29, 2012 11:06 pm

closg00 wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/wizards-kevin-seraphin-turns-opportunity-into-a-dream-finish/2012/05/29/gJQAXNjvyU_blog.html#pagebreak



Seraphin averaged 14.1 points on 53.2 percent shooting and 7.2 rebounds in 21 starts this season, but he already knows where he has to get better to build upon his success and make sure his “dream” stays a reality. “I need to improve on my rebounds. I get more offensive rebounds right now but I have to work on my defensive rebounds,” Seraphin said. “I’m only 22, so I need to work on everything. I can’t say now, ‘I got this. I got this.’ I got to work on everything.”


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Post#1228 » by hands11 » Wed May 30, 2012 7:00 am

dobrojim wrote:for our prospects of drafting Drummond, see our draft thread - most don't like the idea
much but many of those same grudgingly say it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

as for Kev/Nene - I think right now Nene has more 4 skills than KSera.
Seraphin did show reasonable range on his shot but his ballhandling is
probably not what one would like to see from their 4, at least dribbling.
His passing seemed OK. His(Sera) biggest shortcoming in his starting time was
low production of defensive rebounds which was a team weakness all year.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

And he knows it. Count me in as believing he will address the issue this offseason.

Seraphin averaged 14.1 points on 53.2 percent shooting and 7.2 rebounds in 21 starts this season, but he already knows where he has to get better to build upon his success and make sure his “dream” stays a reality. “I need to improve on my rebounds. I get more offensive rebounds right now but I have to work on my defensive rebounds,” Seraphin said. “I’m only 22, so I need to work on everything. I can’t say now, ‘I got this. I got this.’ I got to work on everything.”
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Post#1229 » by nate33 » Wed May 30, 2012 11:56 am

I'm not sure how much success he will have in improving his rebounding. It is my purely unscientific sense that rebounding ability is mostly innate. You either have it or you don't. He might get a little better with his technique so we'll see some incremental improvement, but I don't see him boosting his rebounding average from 8.6 per 36 to, say, 11.0 per 36. He might get up to 9.5 or so, that's about the most I'll expect.
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Post#1230 » by tontoz » Wed May 30, 2012 1:04 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm not sure how much success he will have in improving his rebounding. It is my purely unscientific sense that rebounding ability is mostly innate. You either have it or you don't. He might get a little better with his technique so we'll see some incremental improvement, but I don't see him boosting his rebounding average from 8.6 per 36 to, say, 11.0 per 36. He might get up to 9.5 or so, that's about the most I'll expect.



The strange thing is that his offensive rebounds per 36 is 3.24, same as Noah. It is on defense that his rebounding sucks, only 5.4 per 36.
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Post#1231 » by fishercob » Wed May 30, 2012 1:31 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm not sure how much success he will have in improving his rebounding. It is my purely unscientific sense that rebounding ability is mostly innate. You either have it or you don't. He might get a little better with his technique so we'll see some incremental improvement, but I don't see him boosting his rebounding average from 8.6 per 36 to, say, 11.0 per 36. He might get up to 9.5 or so, that's about the most I'll expect.


I'm most interested in two rebounding stats: individual rebound rate and team rebound rate when an individual is on the floor. The latter is probably the more important one, right? A team can only get one defensive rebound per possession; it doesn't matter who gets it as long as someone does.

I'd love to see some research on your question, nate: can guys become better rebounders (using the metrics I outlined above) over the course of their careers? If so, how much?

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Post#1232 » by Illuminaire » Wed May 30, 2012 2:47 pm

I think the issue with answering that question is removing the noise that comes with any team stat. That said, I bet new optical tracking tools will make it relatively easy to see how often a player boxes out and what effect they have on the rebounding opportunity.
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Post#1233 » by Ruzious » Wed May 30, 2012 4:59 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm not sure how much success he will have in improving his rebounding. It is my purely unscientific sense that rebounding ability is mostly innate. You either have it or you don't. He might get a little better with his technique so we'll see some incremental improvement, but I don't see him boosting his rebounding average from 8.6 per 36 to, say, 11.0 per 36. He might get up to 9.5 or so, that's about the most I'll expect.

Hibbert's been mentioned a lot. If Seraphin follows his development, he'll go from poor to solid as a rebounder. Per pace adjusted 40, Hibbert was at 9.1 as a 22 year old rookie, 8.7 at 23, 10.5 at 24, and 11.7 at 25. Seraphin was at 9.3 at 22.
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Post#1234 » by nate33 » Wed May 30, 2012 5:54 pm

Good find, Ruzious.

Hibbert totally resculpted his body though. He physically became a different player. I don't think Seraphin has that kind of potential to improve his physique. His physique is already pretty good (though he could stand to lose a few more pounds).
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Post#1235 » by dobrojim » Wed May 30, 2012 6:14 pm

well if you believe the hype that his trainers were putting out, KS
will be a much stronger more physical player next year. Scary thought
and on its face, perhaps far-fetched considering. But that's what they
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Post#1236 » by hands11 » Wed May 30, 2012 10:34 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm not sure how much success he will have in improving his rebounding. It is my purely unscientific sense that rebounding ability is mostly innate. You either have it or you don't. He might get a little better with his technique so we'll see some incremental improvement, but I don't see him boosting his rebounding average from 8.6 per 36 to, say, 11.0 per 36. He might get up to 9.5 or so, that's about the most I'll expect.



If he could grab 8 or 9 a night, every night, I would be happy. Consistency counts for a lot.
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Post#1237 » by gordito » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:56 pm

How has the outlook on this guy changed as a result of the Okafor deal?

I always hate to see things like this happen when a younger player is showing potential. Personally, I think it's going to push him down to Derrick Favors-type minutes next year, as opposed to 26-30 minutes per game as initially expected.

Who knows? Maybe it motivates him to work harder?
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Post#1238 » by nuposse04 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:18 am

according to his twitter he isn't discouraged. Randy showed as a coach last year he'd play the best player, so at the very least it is on him whether he gets to start. I think he is aware of this, so he may actually push himself a bit more than initially. He had a great drive to improve being pretty much the only option, but who, knows maybe this helps in a way.
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Post#1239 » by DaRealHibachi » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:22 am

nuposse04 wrote:according to his twitter he isn't discouraged. Randy showed as a coach last year he'd play the best player, so at the very least it is on him whether he gets to start. I think he is aware of this, so he may actually push himself a bit more than initially. He had a great drive to improve being pretty much the only option, but who, knows maybe this helps in a way.


Good point, and if there's anyone who needs to improve for us to become a good team, it's Seraphin (after Wall ofcourse)...

I *do* hope Randy starts KSera and plays him 30 mpg; Okafor is nice to have, but he shouldn't be considered a future core piece...
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Post#1240 » by veji1 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:24 am

Nene and Okafor being injury prone should probably play around 30 to 32 minutes. that leaves 32 to 36 minutes at the 4/5. The way I see it Seraphin should be the offensive sparkplug from the bench, playing about 20 minutes a game, at least to begin with. Precise substitution patterns would depend on the opposition, but I believe this team will want to play 1) defense 2) strong fastbreak with the Wall-Beal-Ariza trio and 3) inside out game on the halfcourt with Nene and KS as the go to options.

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