Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard (POR)

[HolyMage110]

AND HES ONLY DOING SOLOWORKOUTS, AND HES A PG. what does that say..

That he's a lottery pick acting like a lottery pick? Keep in mind he was one of the only lotto guys to actually participate in the combine, unlike, say, Lamb, who didn't participate at all. What I;m getting at here is that you don't really have a point of any kind. Top marks for egregious use of all caps though.

still not sold on lillard. alot of teams didnt learn alot from the workouts other than he's a good shooter and is fit.. which alot of people already knew.. and he's old.. i still prefer bayless over him(as long as he stays healthy)

[Fenris-77]

still not sold on lillard. alot of teams didnt learn alot from the workouts other than he's a good shooter and is fit.. which alot of people already knew.. and he's old.. i still prefer bayless over him(as long as he stays healthy)

I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with actual reasons for that honestly. The two guys are pretty similar in a lot of ways, maybe most ways, but Bayless dribbles with his head down and has little alligator arms. Lillard is a much more aware player and has substantially better defensive upside. Plus, unlike Bayless, Lillard can probably manage to not suck if he comes off the bench, which means the Raps could actually use him. If Bay wasn't such a sucking chest wound playing a reserve I think the Raps would be a lot more enthusiastic about keeping him.

Even if Lillard's upside is Bayless with better court awareness and better defense that's actually really good given what we've seen out of Bayless when he starts.

[cdel00]

Please don't draft LILLARD !

A lot of questions (and answers)

Q1) He's young?
A. Not exactly, Bayless is 2 year older, DD only 1 year older
But they had a lot of experience, Lillard nothing

Q2) He played with good teammates?
A. NEVER.
I.e. Bayless played with Budinger and Jordan Hill when he was freshman, DD with Taj Gibson

Q3) Nice stats, 24 PPG. Where he played? Opponents teams?

A.Big Sky 16 games against Monrtana, Montana St., Idaho St.
Ridiculous

Q4) Who played in that conference?
A. Nobody... Look at the PAC-10 when Bayless was freshman
Love,Westbrook, Collison,Mbah a Moute, Lopez twins, Hairston, Ryan Anderson, DeAndre Jordan, Harden, Brockman,OJ Mayo, Taj Gibson, Pendergraph
Agains this opponents Bayless (freshman) scored 19.7 PPG
I think 19.7 against this players is MUCH better than 24 against scrubs

Q5) What happen when Lillard play against decent (not excellent) teams?
A. Against BYU 5/12, 15 points, 2 A, 3 TO
Against California 4/17, 14 point, 3 A, 3 TOs
Read this now
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=313500025

BERKELEY, Calif. -- Jorge Gutierrez scored 24 points and held Damian Lillard, the nation's leading scorer, to his worst offensive performance of the season as California beat Weber State 77-57 on Friday night.

Maybe we can pick Gutierrez, not Lillard

Lillard= BUST OF THE DRAFT

what you've just said ... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[fredericklove]

DONT DRAFT DAMIAN. he played againest such weak pgs and this draft is so weak in pgs as well. he's old but he can shoot. bayless would be a much better player to resign then draft him. AND HES ONLY DOING SOLOWORKOUTS, AND HES A PG. what does that say..

I guess what u mean is he said he wants to face guys in workout but his agent worries him exposing his weaknesses against others and that alone is disappointed cos he's not backing up his statement about facing others. Well he faced 3 on 3 pg combines and became a stud for such pointless scrimmage...so riding on those combine hype into the draft stock and now to avoid facing others and do the 1 on none workouts ..wow his agent is a mastermind.... without his agent planning this out lillard will just gonna be a 10-14 pick. Lillard is like the luckiest guy in this draft.

[No-lillard]

Please don't draft LILLARD !

A lot of questions (and answers)

Q1) He's young?
A. Not exactly, Bayless is 2 year older, DD only 1 year older
But they had a lot of experience, Lillard nothing

Q2) He played with good teammates?
A. NEVER.
I.e. Bayless played with Budinger and Jordan Hill when he was freshman, DD with Taj Gibson

Q3) Nice stats, 24 PPG. Where he played? Opponents teams?

A.Big Sky 16 games against Monrtana, Montana St., Idaho St.
Ridiculous

Q4) Who played in that conference?
A. Nobody... Look at the PAC-10 when Bayless was freshman
Love,Westbrook, Collison,Mbah a Moute, Lopez twins, Hairston, Ryan Anderson, DeAndre Jordan, Harden, Brockman,OJ Mayo, Taj Gibson, Pendergraph
Agains this opponents Bayless (freshman) scored 19.7 PPG
I think 19.7 against this players is MUCH better than 24 against scrubs

Q5) What happen when Lillard play against decent (not excellent) teams?
A. Against BYU 5/12, 15 points, 2 A, 3 TO
Against California 4/17, 14 point, 3 A, 3 TOs
Read this now
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=313500025

BERKELEY, Calif. -- Jorge Gutierrez scored 24 points and held Damian Lillard, the nation's leading scorer, to his worst offensive performance of the season as California beat Weber State 77-57 on Friday night.

Maybe we can pick Gutierrez, not Lillard

Lillard= BUST OF THE DRAFT

what you've just said ... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Maybe "is one of the most insanely idiotic things you" have ever heard"
Maybe
But you don't tell WHAT is idiotic, no argument

He's young?
He played against great team?
Played with great teammates?
Played against good players ?

Yes, against Gutierrez...24 points with 12 shots.. A mexican guard


P.s. Maybe we can draft Gutierrez with our last pick..
REALLY AND SERIOUS
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jor ... rez-20736/

What Gutierrez does have going for him is excellent intangibles, effort level, and basketball IQ, something that he has already translated into becoming an excellent defender at the collegiate level. It's not out of the question that a team falls in love with his toughness, defense and attitude and asks him to fill a spot at the end of a roster

[cdel00]

Age: D Wade, B Roy, etc.
Team mates/competition: Kobe, LeBron, etc.

Quote from movie Billy Madisson very funny.

Your points no relevent logic.

My point talent is talent, Lillard has lots of it.
My point development is development, Lillard has developed.
My point Lillard finalist for best player, best PG, Lillard recognized as best PG in draft by almost everyone.
My point Lillard is a physical beast for PGs, wingspan, strength, stamina, quickness, dribble, vertical, etc.
My point Lillard proved he can use the above to deliver results, Second best PER while facing all defensive attention.

Your argument soft like butter, my argument strong like diamond.

Verdict: quote from funny movie stands true as it was used.

Hahaha we all laugh now



Enjoy

[JPHolling]

Age: D Wade, B Roy, etc.
Team mates/competition: Kobe, LeBron, etc.

Quote from movie Billy Madisson very funny.

Your points no relevent logic.

My point talent is talent, Lillard has lots of it.
My point development is development, Lillard has developed.
My point Lillard finalist for best player, best PG, Lillard recognized as best PG in draft by almost everyone.
My point Lillard is a physical beast for PGs, wingspan, strength, stamina, quickness, dribble, vertical, etc.
My point Lillard proved he can use the above to deliver results, Second best PER while facing all defensive attention.

Your argument soft like butter, my argument strong like diamond.

Verdict: quote from funny movie stands true as it was used.

Hahaha we all laugh now



Enjoy

How many games did you see lillard play this year?

[No-lillard]

Age: D Wade, B Roy, etc.
Team mates/competition: Kobe, LeBron, etc.

Quote from movie Billy Madisson very funny.

Your points no relevent logic.

My point talent is talent, Lillard has lots of it.
My point development is development, Lillard has developed.
My point Lillard finalist for best player, best PG, Lillard recognized as best PG in draft by almost everyone.
My point Lillard is a physical beast for PGs, wingspan, strength, stamina, quickness, dribble, vertical, etc.
My point Lillard proved he can use the above to deliver results, Second best PER while facing all defensive attention.

Your argument soft like butter, my argument strong like diamond.

Verdict: quote from funny movie stands true as it was used.

Hahaha we all laugh now



Enjoy

How many games did you see lillard play this year?

I wait the answer too

[cdel00]

BIGSKTV


I only saw 5 gamres though and that is small sample size

How many did you see?

[fredericklove]

I see one accuses of others' comment being a bunch of irrelevantly logic but it's no different from deliberately throwing in the age group of cherry picking elite names like D Wade & B Roy and subconsciously project Lillard to have similar talent level at that age or making an indirect link of saying Lillard..."is going to be all right, if Wade and Roy did it, so can Lillard"

[cdel00]

Oh so you see what I did there Fred

[No-lillard]

BIGSKTV


I only saw 5 gamres though and that is small sample size

How many did you see?

So you waste 10 hours of your life watching i.e. Weber@Portland State or Weber@N.arizona

Yes, i can believe this

Do you wanna see somebody really talented?
Search Iona-BYU (March madness, Kayzersz was the ripper) and look at Machado in the first half
HOW he pass and WHERE he pass
And tell me about talent

[team edward]

If Bayless went through the same individual workout Lillard did, who would perform better?

[niQ]

I wouldn't mind Lillard. And for the record, I still think Machado is rated too low on many mocks.

[cdel00]

BIGSKTV


I only saw 5 gamres though and that is small sample size

How many did you see?

So you waste 10 hours of your life watching i.e. Weber@Portland State or Weber@N.arizona

Yes, i can believe this

Do you wanna see somebody really talented?
Search Iona-BYU (March madness, Kayzersz was the ripper) and look at Machado in the first half
HOW he pass and WHERE he pass
And tell me about talent

I just figured this out your the poster formerly known as appel.

Hi dood where you been.

Do you realize Lillards drive and kick game will make Bargnani look good? And Lillards. D at point will cover up for Bargs horrible help d?

[HolyMage110]

DONT DRAFT DAMIAN. he played againest such weak pgs and this draft is so weak in pgs as well. he's old but he can shoot. bayless would be a much better player to resign then draft him. AND HES ONLY DOING SOLOWORKOUTS, AND HES A PG. what does that say..

I guess what u mean is he said he wants to face guys in workout but his agent worries him exposing his weaknesses against others and that alone is disappointed cos he's not backing up his statement about facing others. Well he faced 3 on 3 pg combines and became a stud for such pointless scrimmage...so riding on those combine hype into the draft stock and now to avoid facing others and do the 1 on none workouts ..wow his agent is a mastermind.... without his agent planning this out lillard will just gonna be a 10-14 pick. Lillard is like the luckiest guy in this draft.

exactly.

[BirdOfPrey]

LMAO!!!!! Oh you said that is weak, my brother? Read my words man, don't dodge it. You claimed Lamb scares you because he has not improved. Don't dodge this quote. Well, I guess I'm here to teach you. Watch and learn. When you analyze a player whether he improves year-to-year, you analyze it from his season-to-season comparison, not from player-to-player comparison. There are stats where he dropped slightly abit or stays the same but when you said he didn't improve, oh really, he didn't improve anything? Now here is something.

2010-11: 11.1 (pts), 9.1 (FGA), 3.3 (2pt), 54.6 (2P%), 1.1 (3PT), 4.5 (REB TOT), 0.9 (stls)
2011-12: 17.7 (pts), 13.4 (FGA), 4.3 (2pt), 60.1 (2P%), 2.1 (3PT), 4.9 (REB TOT), 1.2 (stls)

Has Lamb improved?

I don't see the minutes per game difference in those stats. Oh right, that's a partial perspective. Lamb played 10 more mpg and everything stayed the same but his FTA and FGA (both stats are pretty much correlated with mpg). He only improved in a couple of categories and its pretty much expected of anyone given 10 more minutes per game. I see it as hypocritical to call cdel00 biased when you're not adjusting your stats per 36. His argument was valid in saying that Lillard made bigger strides than Lamb or anyone else did.

[No-lillard]

I wouldn't mind Lillard. And for the record, I still think Machado is rated too low on many mocks.

Good for Toronto

[neurotik]

DONT DRAFT DAMIAN. he played againest such weak pgs and this draft is so weak in pgs as well. he's old but he can shoot. bayless would be a much better player to resign then draft him. AND HES ONLY DOING SOLOWORKOUTS, AND HES A PG. what does that say..

I guess what u mean is he said he wants to face guys in workout but his agent worries him exposing his weaknesses against others and that alone is disappointed cos he's not backing up his statement about facing others. Well he faced 3 on 3 pg combines and became a stud for such pointless scrimmage...so riding on those combine hype into the draft stock and now to avoid facing others and do the 1 on none workouts ..wow his agent is a mastermind.... without his agent planning this out lillard will just gonna be a 10-14 pick. Lillard is like the luckiest guy in this draft.

exactly.

The problem I have with this that it trying to prove that Lillard isn't good by pointing out the competition he hasn't faced. It doesn't state any reasons on why he is bad.

Essentially its arguing why he "might not be good" instead of "why he is bad/won't be good"

[cdel00]

LMAO!!!!! Oh you said that is weak, my brother? Read my words man, don't dodge it. You claimed Lamb scares you because he has not improved. Don't dodge this quote. Well, I guess I'm here to teach you. Watch and learn. When you analyze a player whether he improves year-to-year, you analyze it from his season-to-season comparison, not from player-to-player comparison. There are stats where he dropped slightly abit or stays the same but when you said he didn't improve, oh really, he didn't improve anything? Now here is something.

2010-11: 11.1 (pts), 9.1 (FGA), 3.3 (2pt), 54.6 (2P%), 1.1 (3PT), 4.5 (REB TOT), 0.9 (stls)
2011-12: 17.7 (pts), 13.4 (FGA), 4.3 (2pt), 60.1 (2P%), 2.1 (3PT), 4.9 (REB TOT), 1.2 (stls)

Has Lamb improved?

I don't see the minutes per game difference in those stats. Oh right, that's a partial perspective. Lamb played 10 more mpg and everything stayed the same but his FTA and FGA (both stats are pretty much correlated with mpg). He only improved in a couple of categories and its pretty much expected of anyone given 10 more minutes per game. I see it as hypocritical to call cdel00 biased when you're not adjusting your stats per 36. His argument was valid in saying that Lillard made bigger strides than Lamb or anyone else did.

Thx bird

I'll give fred a single bonus point though for his emo-con usage though,