DJ Augustin Situation (bobcats withdraw QO)

[JMAC3]

So I feel like we have not talked about DJ Augustin much lately. I know that we have Kemba at the point already and many feel he is the future, but should we just let DJ walk?

He is only 24 years old and still considered to be an asset by many. The problem is if we do bring him back is it to be the starter? Does this stunt the development of Kemba? Will DJ be okay coming off the bench on a bad team?

What about bringing him back on a one year deal where we overpay then try to deal him midseason to get something for him?

Would you rather let him walk and spend money else where? on who?

Seems like Dunlap is expecting him to be on the team next season after mentioning him as our point guard and almost using Kemba as an after thought in an interview. I think the decision on whether to bring him back can really affect what we do in the draft.

If we do not decide to bring him back I think Beal is a much stronger candidate because he can play some point guard and would give us a three guard rotation of Kemba, Hendo, Beal. If DJ is gonna be here then having four really good guards seems almost like over kill. Although playing Kemba and DJ together did not seem to work out very well.

Also, please note we can not deal him this year for a mid first rounder because he is not under contract. I am tired of seeing this solution every other day.

He has said he wants to come back here, but do we really want him? Thoughts......

[raleigh]

A sign-and-trade to a WC team in, oh, mid-July makes sense for everyone.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

My assumption is that he is gone. He will just walk unless a S&T is to his advantage. Given last year I think that the odds of a S&T are very low.

[raleigh]

My assumption is that he is gone. He will just walk unless a S&T is to his advantage. Given last year I think that the odds of a S&T are very low.

S&T's are always to the advantage of RFA's.

[Badd_Intentions]

He's gone. As an asset we have to get something for him.

[Eoghan]

Beal can't play PG. He says he can, but Perry Jones says he can play SF and he can't do that either.

DJ, I don't know. It won't hurt my feelings either way if he walks or stays. Just don't throw a huge contract at him.

[fatlever]

his qualifying offer is around 4mil, which gives him to us for another year at that price and makes him and unrestricted free agent next summer. thats probably a fair price for a player of his talents. i think he is a bit delusional if he thinks he will be able to command much more than that on the open market. obviously he could get a longer deal and stability however.

if he receives an offer from another team the bobcats can match any offer he receives. if the bobcats wanted to keep him as an asset, how big of a contract would they match?
4/16?
4/20?
4/24?
4/28?

does dj want to be here? he has said that he want to be in charlotte publicly, but according to "rumors" dj wants to get out of charlotte and is looking to sign with a team like utah or portland.

should we try to keep a player that doesnt want to be here, solely for the purpose of retaining assets?

would we be better off renouncing him, making him an unrestricted free agent this summer, which would clear 4 mil off our cap space. cap space is great if you have someone to sign, otherwise, its just hot air.

a sign and trade is always an option, but are there any teams out there that want dj bad enough to give up an asset to get him? i doubt it. i think people talking about a sign and trade are just wishful thinking.

and as jmac mentioned, dj cannot be included in any draft day trades, so that is not an option.

personally, i am not expecting dj to be here next year (and definitely not here after next year).

[TheKingofSting]

He walks for nothing.

[BigSlam]

if he receives an offer from another team the bobcats can match any offer he receives. if the bobcats wanted to keep him as an asset, how big of a contract would they match?
4/16?
4/20?
4/24?
4/28?

4/22.5 sounds good to me - then hope he plays his nuts off over the 1st 3 months of the season along with Kemba showing he has some ability and we trade DJA at the deadline.

Or he plays so well that we keep him and trade Kemba.

[Bassman]

I thought the front office chose to not sign the qualifying offer last year, which makes him a free agent this season. Did I miss the QA signing?

[bobcats3wallace]

What's interesting is that he has already turned down a "lucrative" offer from the Bobcats, according to Bonnell. I remember seeing something about the numbers of what that extension offer was, but can't find it. Either way though, the Bobcats have already offered him slightly more than what they view him to be worth (again according to Bonnell) and he turned it down. I just don't see him returning. He's not a player that is worth locking up cap space, not with Kemba here. I really think that Cho and company, a long with Dunlap, view Kemba as a potential star and want to develop him as such.

The most I would probably feel comfortable with offering DJ is somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 million, maybe 7 million a year. I just question that he is actually our starting PG going forward with Kemba on the roster. Who knows what the market for him will be. Sacramento, Portland, OKC, and LA Lakers were the four teams after him at the trade deadline. Certainly you could see Portland and LA still having interest, given their PG situations. In fact I could see LA have more serious interest with Sessions gone, but for them to grab DJ it would have to be through trade due to their cap situation.

I don't think any team is going to offer DJ much more than 6 million per. As a result I think he either stays another year for the 4 million QO and then is traded mid-year. Even if the Lakers really wanted him, they don't have the salaries to really match up with what DJ would likely want. We would have to take on money in a S&T long-term with them, which isn't going to happen.

He will be back for the 4 million dollar QO (IMO the best option) or he is back for a contract in the neighborhood of 6-7 million per (although I think that is similar or less to the contract he already turned down which makes me think he will just take the QO).

[bobcats3wallace]

I thought the front office chose to not sign the qualifying offer last year, which makes him a free agent this season. Did I miss the QA signing?

The qualifying offer won't happen until this summer, when he is a Restricted free agent. Your thinking of the extension that was not agreed to in December.

[BigSlam]

What's interesting is that he has already turned down a "lucrative" offer from the Bobcats, according to Bonnell.

Are you sure you are not thinking of Felton?

[bobcats3wallace]

What's interesting is that he has already turned down a "lucrative" offer from the Bobcats, according to Bonnell.

Are you sure you are not thinking of Felton?

Not according to what Bonnell said on the radio two days ago. He was the co-host with Brett Jensen and Jensen said something about DJ and Bonnell corrected him saying, they offered him a lucrative extension in December that was slightly more than they thought he was worth and he turned it down. Higgins has since confirmed they did offer extension in December, but obviously has not said for how much.

I don't think DJ really wants to be here. Either that or he thinks he's worth more than he really is depending on the Bobcats and Bonnell's definition of "lucrative".

[HornetJail]

We absolutely need to match anything less than 4/24. We can't let more talent slip away for nothing. He's mid-1st round talent in an average draft. We can not afford to lose him for nothing. If we really want to leave, we sign him, and then hope he plays really well and sell high.

I still like him over Kemba (I tend to like traditional pass-first point guards over score-first guys, unless they are Westbrook/Rose caliber) and I personally think that DJ can do a much better job creating for our bigs than Kemba can. Don't get me wrong, I like Kemba, but we made a mistake drafting Kemba right after DJ had a big year. I wanted Kawhi Leonard or Klay Thompson at 9 last year, and I think they would definitely have been better options.

2008-09: Augustin played very well as our sixth man.
2009-10: Augustin sucked, stuck in LB's doghouse and behind an overachieving Raymond Felton.
2010-11: Augustin looked like a legit starter.
2011-12: Augustin sucked, but a lot can attribute to the inury bug.
2012-13: Is Augustin primed for another good season??? I think so.

If we draft big (Drummond, Robinson), I'd like to see the small-ball lineup that featured DJ, Hendo, and Kemba all in the starting lineup with Biz and the rookie. I thought we played a little better with all three guards in the lineup. Obviously if we draft Beal, Barnes (god forbid), or MKG, that plan's out the window.


I can't imagine another team offering Augustin more than $6M/yr, unless they are really desperate for a PG. Portland might be in that boat. If they offer him more than $6M, we've got to workout a S&T, but I can't figure out who they have that is of any interest to us, unless it's part of a Batum S&T or something.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

The biggest problem I have with Augustin as a player is his defense. It's painful to watch the Cats get killed in the 4th as his man either scores or creates a shot for someone else as the Cats D rotates to cover. He absolutely ran the team better than Kemba and was a better shooter. Just MHO, but the defensive shortcomings pretty much erased nearly everything he brought to the other side of the court.

[TheKingofSting]

ball whore says he is gone!

[Rich4114]

Trade him before we get nothing in return

[captaincrunk]

ball whore says he is gone!

he's been saying that for a year, first that he's traded to portland and then that he's signing there.

[Elden Payton]

Trade him before we get nothing in return

This is basically our best option though it's hard to S&T for draft picks(which is what I assume we'd want)