2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[tontoz]

This is going to be a looooong wait for draft night, sort of like the drive to the doctors office when you know you are getting a colonoscopy.

[MJG]

If Beal is gone, we sure as heck better take MKG. Trevor Ariza should have zero impact on who we draft, and MKG is the best wing on the board.

[Ruzious]

This is going to be a looooong wait for draft night, sort of like the drive to the doctors office when you know you are getting a colonoscopy.

I just hope the draft itself doesn't feel like a colonoscopy.

[Dark Faze]

Man if we missed out on Beal and MKG...I just...wow.

[nate33]

Man if we missed out on Beal and MKG...I just...wow.

We won't miss them both. We will get one or the other unless EG is dumb enough to take Barnes. If he's going to take Barnes, I would hope he would at least trade down to #5 first.

[LyricalRico]

If they did want MKG all along then what was the point of trading for Ariza?

To fill out the roster with a veteran player? To be a 6th man? Because they think his name is cool? Either way, it has nothing to do with the draft IMO.

It's funny to see people in one thread complain that the players we just acquired are essentially useless and can't play, and then in another thread say the equivalent of "great, now we can't draft player XYZ because of the presence of the guys we just said were useless because they obviously have to start and play 48 minutes". Why does everything have to be in absolutes around here?

Now if they had traded for Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala, I'd completely agree that they wouldn't follow that up with drafting another small forward. But I think folks here are WAY overstating the impact that this trade has on the draft. IMO whomever the Wizards pick will be whomever they were going to pick all along. Period.

[nate33]

If they did want MKG all along then what was the point of trading for Ariza?

To fill out the roster with a veteran player? To be a 6th man? Because they think his name is cool? Either way, it has nothing to do with the draft IMO.

Those are all really stupid reasons to pay a man $7M a year.

[Saqs]

Now if they had traded for Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala, I'd completely agree that they wouldn't follow that up with drafting another small forward. But I think folks here are WAY overstating the impact that this trade has on the draft. IMO whomever the Wizards pick will be whomever they were going to pick all along. Period.

^^^^^^

Agreed.

[dobrojim]

maybe because MKG is still a kid and we shouldn't expect him to come
in and be an allstar from day 1.

[Jay81]

reports are that MKG is hitting jumpers in workouts. If he becomes a servicable to good shooter, he wil be the best player in this draft not named Anthony Davis

[LyricalRico]

If they did want MKG all along then what was the point of trading for Ariza?

To fill out the roster with a veteran player? To be a 6th man? Because they think his name is cool? Either way, it has nothing to do with the draft IMO.

Those are all really stupid reasons to pay a man $7M a year.

But it still doesn't have anything to do with the draft.

[Rafael122]

reports are that MKG is hitting jumpers in workouts. If he becomes a servicable to good shooter, he wil be the best player in this draft not named Anthony Davis

I can shoot jumpers if I didn't have a hand in my face too.

There's 1 franchise player in this draft, Davis. Everyone else are in tiers, which ranges from fringe NBA players to "possible all stars." It would be awesome to grab Beal simply because he fits a need, but if we trade down (attach Blatche and maybe Singleton as well) and ship them to Portland for their 6th and 11th (Waiters or Lillard? at 6, Rivers at 11?) then that would be good too.

[nate33]

I'm not convinced it's 100% legit ...signed,sealed, and delivered ...but I got a call from someone today that said he heard we had a deal in place for the 2nd pick, in order to select Beal. It involved our 4 and 24... which I think is pretty pricey given that 4 could likely be MKG... BUT, that's what I heard in a call today from a decent source.

This really makes a ton of sense for Charlotte if they want TRob. They know Cleveland and Washington don't want TRob so they are getting extra value while still getting the guy they want.

Our only hope to get Beal is if Charlotte wants MKG more than TRob. If so, they don't do this trade out of fear that we take MKG 3rd if Cleveland takes Beal at #2.

One possibly optimistic thought:
We all agree that it was stupid for EG to commit to the Okafor trade so early that it tips our hand on who we want in the draft. Maybe EG really isn't that stupid. Ted spoke about other trades being in the works. Maybe we have two possible follow-up trades lined up. If we draft Beal, maybe there's an Okafor for SF trade lined up (Gay?). If we draft MKG, maybe there's an Okafor for SG trade lined up (Martin?)

I note that there has been a great deal of restraint from the organization in praising our new additions. It wouldn't make sense to talk them up to the fans and then trade them away.

[Severn Hoos]

nate, is there a window where the team can trade newly acquired vets? Or do they have to wait a certain amount of time? I seem to recall the previous CBA had a waiting period but I'm thinking that was after a FA signing?

[nate33]

nate, is there a window where the team can trade newly acquired vets? Or do they have to wait a certain amount of time? I seem to recall the previous CBA had a waiting period but I'm thinking that was after a FA signing?

We have to wait until December 15th to package Okafor with any other contracts in a trade. We can trade Okafor by himself anytime we want.

[LyricalRico]

One possibly optimistic thought:
We all agree that it was stupid for EG to commit to the Okafor trade so early that it tips our hand on who we want in the draft. Maybe EG really isn't that stupid. Ted spoke about other trades being in the works. Maybe we have two possible follow-up trades lined up. If we draft Beal, maybe there's an Okafor for SF trade lined up (Gay?). If we draft MKG, maybe there's an Okafor for SG trade lined up (Martin?)

I note that there has been a great deal of restraint from the organization in praising our new additions. It wouldn't make sense to talk them up to the fans and then trade them away.

And that's all I've been asking for - a wait and see approach until we get the final picture.

Lewis was a piece that was attractive but almost impossible to work with in trades because of the sheer size of the deal (as many of us saw when trying to come up with ideas). There was also a deadline to use him as a trade chip becuase of the buyout clause. Now we have two much more manageable contracts to work with, along with several young players to use as sweetners. We still have options and I believe there are more moves to come. Let's get the best player we possibly can in the draft and then sort the rest out between July and November.

[Severn Hoos]

Thanks, nate - and I'm glad to see the Larry Coon FAQ is now up-to-date with the new CBA. Here's what he had to say:

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

•For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap. (Also see question number 85.)

Not that it's a huge difference, but it looks like we might actually be able to package Okafor as early as August (2 months after receiving the player in trade)?


But yeah, Okafor for Martin or Gordon makes a ton of sense to me.

[tontoz]

If they did want MKG all along then what was the point of trading for Ariza?

To fill out the roster with a veteran player? To be a 6th man? Because they think his name is cool? Either way, it has nothing to do with the draft IMO.

I never said it had anything to do with the draft. It isn't a question of drafting based on Ariza being here. It is a question of why bring in Ariza when you know you are going to draft a 3 who can't shoot.

[popper]

I'm not convinced it's 100% legit ...signed,sealed, and delivered ...but I got a call from someone today that said he heard we had a deal in place for the 2nd pick, in order to select Beal. It involved our 4 and 24... which I think is pretty pricey given that 4 could likely be MKG... BUT, that's what I heard in a call today from a decent source.

This really makes a ton of sense for Charlotte if they want TRob. They know Cleveland and Washington don't want TRob so they are getting extra value while still getting the guy they want.

Our only hope to get Beal is if Charlotte wants MKG more than TRob. If so, they don't do this trade out of fear that we take MKG 3rd if Cleveland takes Beal at #2.

One possibly optimistic thought:
We all agree that it was stupid for EG to commit to the Okafor trade so early that it tips our hand on who we want in the draft. Maybe EG really isn't that stupid. Ted spoke about other trades being in the works. Maybe we have two possible follow-up trades lined up. If we draft Beal, maybe there's an Okafor for SF trade lined up (Gay?). If we draft MKG, maybe there's an Okafor for SG trade lined up (Martin?)

I note that there has been a great deal of restraint from the organization in praising our new additions. It wouldn't make sense to talk them up to the fans and then trade them away.

I agree. Okafor will be traded at some point in the near future.

[nate33]

Not that it's a huge difference, but it looks like we might actually be able to package Okafor as early as August (2 months after receiving the player in trade)?

That is a huge difference because August is before the start of the season.

The old CBA made you wait 60 days or until December 15th, whichever was later. It looks like they dropped the December 15th clause.