Trading the #2 pick - dicussion (merged)

[HornetJail]

Edited. I forgot to add Varejao.

[Battery]

There is no way the Bulls trade both of them. Definitely no to Deng for #2, likewise for Noah.

I like the build slowly approach.

Exactly. This trade just keeps us in mediocrity. Rather get another young player or two in the draft and stink for another season, than trade for veterans who will take us nowhere. You trade for Deng and/Noah when you already have a solid foundation of talent to build around.

[TheKingofSting]

Every single one of you are extremely underrating Deng.

Also an unprotected first from them could be a good pick, no telling how long Rose will be out and they would have traded Deng who held the team together this year with Rose out. Deng only has one more year then Maggs on his deal so it is not terrible.

[Jaruff]

Every single one of you are extremely underrating Deng.

Also an unprotected first from them could be a good pick, no telling how long Rose will be out and they would have traded Deng who held the team together this year with Rose out. Deng only has one more year then Maggs on his deal so it is not terrible.

Deng would be no different than Gerald Wallace. A good player being emphasized as "the man". That's a clear path to 8th seeds and sweeps.

[countryboi]

Deng should be underrated because he is a glue guy and would just rot here...pass

[JMAC3]

Every single one of you are extremely underrating Deng.

Also an unprotected first from them could be a good pick, no telling how long Rose will be out and they would have traded Deng who held the team together this year with Rose out. Deng only has one more year then Maggs on his deal so it is not terrible.

So we give up the number 2 pick for an average SF who is a third option offensively and can play defense?????????

You cant build a team around Deng. Then you go on to say he is about to expire soon???? So we risk losing him to a contender that quickly or are forced to overpay to keep him in free agency.

What are you thinking??

[Ronito]

Reading around this board to find your guys' take on the Cavs/Bobcats hypothetical trade and couldn't find one. Maybe there is one and I just can't find it?

http://hoopfocus.com/2012/06/23/bobcats ... wap-picks/

It's the #2 for the #4 and #24 - thoughts?

[captaincrunk]

Reading around this board to find your guys' take on the Cavs/Bobcats hypothetical trade and couldn't find one. Maybe there is one and I just can't find it?

http://hoopfocus.com/2012/06/23/bobcats ... wap-picks/

It's the #2 for the #4 and #24 - thoughts?

Straight up, I'd do it. It's just worth the step down really, and Cleveland has never been dicks to us, and we can take more risks at 4 and might be more likely to take Drummond.

[Diop]

Reading around this board to find your guys' take on the Cavs/Bobcats hypothetical trade and couldn't find one. Maybe there is one and I just can't find it?

http://hoopfocus.com/2012/06/23/bobcats ... wap-picks/

It's the #2 for the #4 and #24 - thoughts?

we had discussed it a fair bit at the start of this thread before this rumour came out. The majority of us are for it, seems pretty low risk for.

[Bassman]

Reading around this board to find your guys' take on the Cavs/Bobcats hypothetical trade and couldn't find one. Maybe there is one and I just can't find it?

http://hoopfocus.com/2012/06/23/bobcats ... wap-picks/

It's the #2 for the #4 and #24 - thoughts?

That trade is logical and fair for both parties. I'm sure the Cavs would prefer to not give up the 24, but the only way they get Beal is to trade up with us. The Wiz made it clear via their deal with the Hornets that SG was the priority. They could go SF and will if Beal is gone. We take a chance on not getting Robinson but he s likely there at 4 (he or Barnes). We probably use 24 & 31 to trade up into the middle of the round and get a quality PF like Moultrie or maybe Perry Jones 3rd.

[Rich4114]

I personally like the guys that are supposed to be there at 4, 5, and 6 better than 2 and 3. I'm for it.

[ohara]

If we did trade with Cleveland, ideally I would swap everything. #2 and #31 for #4, 24, 33, and 34. We could likely take the Portland 2013 1st and add to the #33 and #34, and get back into the 1st around #15 maybe? I think we could get 3 very good players at #4, #15 and #24. IDK, just an idea.

[bobcats3wallace]

I would do it. From what we have heard, Cleveland really doesn't want to draft 24 anyway because of the young talent they already have. They want vets after their top pick (at least that's what several reports said). So, unless Cleveland has another use for that 24, then this is a good trade for them. For us, I really don't think we have a favorite and therefore can afford to sit and wait at 4. There is a decent chance Robinson is still there at 4, and even if he isn't, considering the talent that will be there, it's worth the "risk" of missing on Robinson.

I just don't know the urgency Cleveland will have to move up. Their motivation would be for Beal, you would think. Washington is probably going to take Beal at 3 if he is still there. But even if Washington takes Beal, Cleveland still seems to really like Barnes at 4. So if the Cavs are going to trade up, they would have to be completely sold on Beal I think. Which, right now, people don't think they are.

From all indications Charlotte, Washington, and Cleveland all don't seem to have one guy in mind with their pick. Washington seems to be between Beal/MKG (still think they take Robinson if their though) and Cleveland likely to Beal/Barnes. If we trade back then Beal goes 2 and you have to wonder what will Washington do? Is their interest in Robinson serious? Sure would love to have Robinson stlll at 4. If not, who do you guys want? Drummond, Barnes, or MKG? If it plays out like that, I think it is either MKG or Barnes...

[BigSlam]

I personally like the guys that are supposed to be there at 4, 5, and 6 better than 2 and 3. I'm for it.

[BeesWax]

If Cleveland is willing to do this great. That means one of MKG or Barnes would be there at our pick. I would hope that Washington takes Robinson leaving us our choice of those two. We get our choice of the guys that fit our needs and were best at #2 anyway.

[captaincrunk]

It's not even a bad trade for cleveland. They need to consolidate talent, they have their star in Irving. They need a number 2 or 3 guy for their team, and they can get that at the #2 spot in this draft. They could also get it at 4, but it wouldn't be as easy and they wouldn't have free reign over their choice. And that free reign is what we'd sacrifice by going to #4, but we need everything from our "star" to our 6th man, really. We need the extra pick because we need extra talent.

[JMAC3]

To me its simple.

We either take Beal at #2, the best player available, or we try and fill a need with another player by trading down to 4, and 24. We trade down with Cleveland if Beal is not our guy.

At 4 we take whoever is left out of Robinson and MKG.

Then we hope to land either two guys who we like at 24 and 31 or we package them to move up in the draft maybe with Dallas, who is looking for roster fillers that are cheap but still have potential, at 17. Then we grab another borderline starter like Harkless.

[Eoghan]

Charlotte receives: Dorell Wright, Andris Biedrins, #7, #35, #52

Chicago receives: Corey Maggette, #30, Udoh trade exception (3.3M), Shaun Livingston trade exception (3.5M)

Golden State receives: Luol Deng.
----------------separate deal-----------------------------

Charlotte receives: #4, #24

Cleveland receives: #2, #52

Why for Charlotte: Picks galore. #4, #7, #24, #31, #35, a competent SF in Dorell Wright, get rid of Maggette. Unfortunately, we have to take back one of the worst contracts in the league in Andris Biedrins.
Can potentially roll out of draft with:
Thomas Robinson/MKG/Barnes at #4; Drummond/Barnes/Lillard at #7; Nicholson/White/Taylor/Q.Miller at #24; Wroten/Jenkins/Lamb/etc at #31, and BPA at #35. Might be able to package #24, #31, and #35 for mid lottery (Dallas maybe) for a chance to get Harkless, White, Sullinger, etc.

Why for Chicago: Ship out Deng's contract, get a 1st rounder they might be able to package or do something with (dunno), get money to help re-up Asik and Taj Gibson which they reportedly want to do. Maggette makes them respectable while still providing an excellent tank commander for next year.

Why for Golden State: Add another great piece to their core in Deng who can actually play defense, early injury might allow them to tank a bit and allow Curry and Bogut plenty of time to heal to make a push in the latter half of season and next year.

I have no idea if this would work salary wise.

Potential 'Cats roster (if we trade #24 & 2nd rounders for #17):
Kemba/DJA
Henderson/Reggie/Carroll
Wright/Barnes
T. Robinson/Royce White/Tyrus
Biyombo/Mullens/Biedrins/Diop

What do you think, sirs?

[captaincrunk]

No idea if Chicago is that set on moving Deng but it isn't really great value for a borderline all star

[Eoghan]

No idea if Chicago is that set on moving Deng but it isn't really great value for a borderline all star

Yeah, Chicago doesn't get the best end of this deal and I was trying to swing them a better pick than #30 since low 1st rounders suck but c'est la vie. They're supposedly treating next season as a wash and want to have enough money to resign Gibson and Asik so they're dangling Noah and Deng to whoever can get them a 1st rd pick and a trade exception. Could remove the protection from the pick we owe them I suppose.