Sixers Offseason thread/ sixerfan1976 updated to page 84

[51X3RF4N]

The thing is tho, we dont know about these rookies aside from Anthony Davis. Why not get the sure thing in a 20 10 guy in Jefferson that would beast in the East. Does Henson become that Marcus Camby or Brandon Wright. Im thinking he could become a Camby Light but who would you rather have a 20 10 beast or a piss poor version of Marcus Camby

Actually, the real thing is, anything "can" happen. Anthony Davis might be a bust. Henson might be the next superstar. He could be Marcus Camby defensively and develop into Tim Duncan offensively. We just don't know. Anthony Davis could be Blake Griffin mixed with Tyson Chandler, or he could be Anthony Randolph or even Brandan Wrigh! Jefferson is the sure thing at the moment, but any old injury could render him useless, or his game might just his a decline because he stops trying and then you'd be paying $28M to a guy at the end of the bench.

The entire thing is based on risk/reward and what management feels is the right course for the team to take. If they want to rebuild, Drummond or Henson are both good options. I would personally take Drummond over Henson if both were available.

My list for the draft goes:

1. Drummond 2. Lamb 3. Henson 4. Waiters 5. Ross

Any of those 5 or 2 of those 5 combined with trading Iggy and bringing in a FA from Brand's money is my preference. But if that's the case, then it's a clear rebuild. Which I would only do IF and only if the Sixers are assured that A) Deron won't sign here and B) D12 won't be traded here.

The Jefferson/Watson for Iggy deal IMO makes sense IF the Sixers know they are going to get a FA C or Deron in addition to it. Then draft BPA or trade pick and young guys to create a "big 3" featuring Jefferson.

[JordanMars]

IMO if we go the GSW route. Id rather take Lamb with 7 if Drummond isnt available then get your big with 15. If we go with Big Al, then id take Terrence Ross with 15 (hopefully he is there)

[51X3RF4N]

It was more a comparison of build, game, but you say it like Henson didn't get is 14 ppg weren't a direct correlation of Harrison Barnes drawing the D, or a easy bucket on a pass from the best passing PG in college ball. His offensive game is still very raw. He has a 14-17 footer than he shouldn't use as much as he does, and he's definitely too frail right now to bang down low. Defensively he's obviously a better help side defender than Wright was, but the NBA translation remains to be seen.

I guess my main point is, there are plenty of long athletic offensively raw big man that come into the NBA out of college or overseas, not many of them pan out. Henson has to prove he's unique from the majority of those guys.

I won't get into any further, but I've watched every UNC game for the past 10 years or so. I've seen every minute of Henson's playing time at UNC, often 2-3 times as I record it all and watch it back. I can tell you he's not going to be anything like Brandan Wright or other offensively raw big men who enter the NBA. He's not offensively raw.

He got a few easy dunks off Marshall passes, but he had to fight for position in order to catch the pass. In fact, a lot of Kendall's passes into the post came when nobody expected it, and most went to Zeller. Even so, the defenders usually were still in good position to play D, and Henson wasn't wide open. Barnes? He RARELY got an open look because of Barnes drawing his defender.

And you'd be surprised how consistent his jumper has become just from last season to this season. Not to mention a lot of his points came off back to the basket post ups where he made a very nice move to score. Jump hooks, spin move and dunk, reverse pivot and dunk, up and under moves, shot fake from further out after turning to face up, then drive past the defender to dunk. Point is, he is more skilled than most of the "raw" big men coming into the NBA already, and he's constantly improving his game.

Also, he has a competitive edge that a player like B. Wright never showed.

I won't hijack this thread further to discuss Henson. I'm done on the subject. But just know that I think he's going to be a better player than a lot on this board think. And the best NBA player from UNC in this draft. Quite possibly the 2nd best UNC player in the NBA (Lawson being #1) since Vince Carter. Yes, I think he'll be better than Marvin Williams, Ray Felton, Hansbrough, Ellington, Haywood and the others who've made it since '97.

[JordanMars]

Yes, I think he'll be better than Marvin Williams, Ray Felton, Hansbrough, Ellington, Haywood and the others who've made it since '97.

Well that isnt much to say lol. Sure hope hes better than these scrubs

[phillysixed]

I don't think Iggy for #7 + Richard Jefferson is worth it unless Klay Thompson comes back as part of a bigger deal with us giving up #15. Warriors would most certainly balk at that.

[Sixerlover]

It was more a comparison of build, game, but you say it like Henson didn't get is 14 ppg weren't a direct correlation of Harrison Barnes drawing the D, or a easy bucket on a pass from the best passing PG in college ball. His offensive game is still very raw. He has a 14-17 footer than he shouldn't use as much as he does, and he's definitely too frail right now to bang down low. Defensively he's obviously a better help side defender than Wright was, but the NBA translation remains to be seen.

I guess my main point is, there are plenty of long athletic offensively raw big man that come into the NBA out of college or overseas, not many of them pan out. Henson has to prove he's unique from the majority of those guys.

I won't get into any further, but I've watched every UNC game for the past 10 years or so. I've seen every minute of Henson's playing time at UNC, often 2-3 times as I record it all and watch it back. I can tell you he's not going to be anything like Brandan Wright or other offensively raw big men who enter the NBA. He's not offensively raw.

He got a few easy dunks off Marshall passes, but he had to fight for position in order to catch the pass. In fact, a lot of Kendall's passes into the post came when nobody expected it, and most went to Zeller. Even so, the defenders usually were still in good position to play D, and Henson wasn't wide open. Barnes? He RARELY got an open look because of Barnes drawing his defender.

And you'd be surprised how consistent his jumper has become just from last season to this season. Not to mention a lot of his points came off back to the basket post ups where he made a very nice move to score. Jump hooks, spin move and dunk, reverse pivot and dunk, up and under moves, shot fake from further out after turning to face up, then drive past the defender to dunk. Point is, he is more skilled than most of the "raw" big men coming into the NBA already, and he's constantly improving his game.

Also, he has a competitive edge that a player like B. Wright never showed.

I won't hijack this thread further to discuss Henson. I'm done on the subject. But just know that I think he's going to be a better player than a lot on this board think. And the best NBA player from UNC in this draft. Quite possibly the 2nd best UNC player in the NBA (Lawson being #1) since Vince Carter. Yes, I think he'll be better than Marvin Williams, Ray Felton, Hansbrough, Ellington, Haywood and the others who've made it since '97.

Sure. I only saw about 15 UNC games + the tourney this year, so you definitely saw more of Henson than me. And I don't want to make this a Henson thread either so I'll stop. But, '06 Saer Sene, '06 Patrick O'Bryant, '07 Brendan Wright, '08 Anthony Randolph (went 14th, so not top 10), '09 Jordan Hill, '10 Ekpe Udoh, '11 Bismack Biyombo. All guys who came into the draft with offensive question marks, but went top 10 because of their potential on the other side of the ball, and ability to "grow" offensively. If you feel Henson is more polished than these guys I'll take your word on it, but I'd be pretty pissed if we traded Iguodala for the next big man on this list of busts.

[KrazySixersD]

So

Jrue
Evan/Ross
RJ/Wright
Henson/Thad
Lavoy/Vuce


not sure if want.

just got back from watching the UFC fights... have about 4 more pages to read though before i give my response to this recent news.... but i had to stop to LOL at this "not sure if want" post hahaha

[JordanMars]

This whole trade Iggy for a pick doesnt make sense and the reason is Doug Collins. Does he want to win now?

[Mik317]

I would do the whole Henson scenario if only because it's the needed step back scenario.

Al Jeff seems like a try to stay relevant type move.

I'd take either..because **** it.

Make a move already...lol.

[KrazySixersD]

ok after reading this i got a few things to say:

1: i would take back richard jefferson in a HEARTBEAT if it meant getting pick number 7, keeping pick 15, and getting DRUMMOND.... how on earth would no one do this?? do you guys realize that drummond was pegged to be the 1st or 2nd pick of the draft all during college bball until davis became the unanimous pick? doug gotlieb after the college bball season guaranteed drummond would be the 2nd pick in the draft and it wouldnt be close... now we can get this guy at 7??? this guy has such insane measurables.. its not like he was a stiff in college he still put up respectable numbers for a freshman who almost shoulda been in HS... this guy would make an IMMEDIATE impact at the center position just because of his size, lenght, and strength

2: if we take henson at pick 7 im done with this team... henson is EXACTLY what those list of busts were... hes that guy... hes not even YOUNG!!!! HES A FREAKIN JUNIOR... hes a so skinny... guys like that DO NOT come into the nba and make an impact... please tell me the last SUPER skinny PF who came into this league and was worth the 7th pick in the draft... im not talking light guys... im talking SUPER SKINNY tooth pick skinny... this guy has no offense that translates into the nba... this would be the dumbest trade of all time

3: im glad to hear we like PJ3, there is no reason to not take this guy at 15 when his ceiling is a star level player... i dont cafe if he busts... the risk is worth it...

my question is, did the sixers work him out and like him at PF or SF? thats a big question right there

if we somehow came out of this draft with drummond and pj3 and had to take back wright and jefferson and giving up iggy... i will BE ECSTATIC

wright and jefferson both are really good 3 point shooters... something we need... even if its off the bench, though chances are one of them starts... jefferson, isnt he atleast a solid wing defender as well?

this means we could finally let meeks go and have 2 guys that actually make their open 3's

please lord let us get drummond at 7...

and like someone else mentioned... if drummond isnt there, i probably still do this deal and take lamb at 7 and again pj3 at 15 and i walk away like i just stole a million bucks

[KrazySixersD]

I would do the whole Henson scenario if only because it's the needed step back scenario.

Al Jeff seems like a try to stay relevant type move.

I'd take either..because **** it.

Make a move already...lol.

henson will never be as good as al jefferson.... i will murder someone if we take henson at freaking 7

[KrazySixersD]

im listening to pj3 interview....i just dont see this lazy no motor crap at all.... not at all

the guy is completely humble and saying all the right things... this guy seems like he is plenty willing to work to be as good as he can be... at whatever position that is... unlike a lot of recent guys who think they are SF's...

he can play either... and i like what he is saying

[JordanMars]

I agree with posts above. DO NOT TAKE HENSON. Drummond or Lamb is the way to go, and id be glad with either or (especially Drummond)

[KrazySixersD]

^ agreed.... if we went lamb at 7 and pj3 wasnt available at 15 i think i would be fine with moultrie

but im def hoping for drummond and pj3... thats just a dream come true

[JordanMars]

Havent seen much of PJ3 play but who would you compare him to??? Hear he has tons of upside.

[KrazySixersD]

terence jones sounds very ... meh.... not very intelligent...

didnt want him and still dont

[phillysixed]

ok after reading this i got a few things to say:

1: i would take back richard jefferson in a HEARTBEAT if it meant getting pick number 7, keeping pick 15, and getting DRUMMOND.... how on earth would no one do this??

wright and jefferson both are really good 3 point shooters... something we need... even if its off the bench, though chances are one of them starts... jefferson, isnt he atleast a solid wing defender as well?

this means we could finally let meeks go and have 2 guys that actually make their open 3's

please lord let us get drummond at 7...

I've heard that the Kings/Bobcats would prefer to move Cousins/Biyombo to PF in recent weeks. Portland could use a C to pair up with Aldridge as well.

If Drummond is there at #7, I would take back Jefferson/Wright in a deal but the likelihood of that happening looks slim. We'll see on draft night I guess.

[KrazySixersD]

thats what im saying... i do the deal if drummond is there...and i probably do it if lamb is there as i think lamb is a 20 ppg scorer in the nba and an elite defender possibly as well

i aint doin crap for henson... i probably wouldnt even take him at 15.... hes 21 yrs old and still as raw as a freshman

[LongLiveHinkie]

What is everyone's take on Damian Lillard? Haven't heard his name brought up yet. I know we have Holiday, but if Lou goes, you'll need another guard. He scored a lot in college.

[KrazySixersD]

not taking a guy top 10 to play a backup role... and youll have to take him top 10 if you want him