Raps seeking to trade pick for Barnes (Rumour)

[The Chucker]

Now I kinda wish you never brought that up because it would be amazing having 2 beasts (TRob/Val) in the posts actually hustling and fighting in the post. Exactly the hardnosed ball this city has been dreaming about for years.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDYkWPHvcg[/youtube]

*sigh*

I just don't see most of that stuff translating, Naismith.

rebounding play hard & handles gon be his game bruh. i aint see wut so LOL bout T-Rob. this guy is a straight up goon hell shat on neone in the L. dion or t-rob for me.

[JPHolling]

this would make me the happiest boy in the world.
Barnes
Bargnani
Val
Finally a core worth building around
(maybe derozan)

[suntzuballin]

If trod drops sac takes doesn't doi trade

[JamesNaismith]

this would make me the happiest boy in the world.
Barnes
Bargnani
Val
Finally a core worth building around
(maybe derozan)

I wouldn't quite say that worth "building around"....as much love as I have for Val and Barnes I don't think either guy is going to reach superstar level. If anything those names could develop into 3 REALLY good players but not superstars.

What I mean by that was like the Pistons....they were 5 really good players but not really superstars to take over a franchise with. You don't really build around talent unless they are superstars. If we have those 3 we're off to a great start but we would need another 2 at their level to bring in to be real contenders in the end and they would have to fit lol which is another tough criteria.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

If trod drops sac takes doesn't doi trade

Paris?

[deeps6x]

Barnes makes sense since SF is our weakest position. I would like this potential trade more if Tyreke Evans was somehow included. We need a guy who can dribble penetrate in the worst way.

Waiters.

However...

If Barnes is BC's target, then have Evans and DD thrown in to the trade.

I think Evans is a better fit for a Casey team than DD.

[Rapsfan07]

Would not give up 8th, Davis and 37th for Barnes. I would rather stay at 8th and pick Lamb or hope Drummond falls

This.

I mean I wouldn't mind Barnes. I have faith in him. But that asking price that Sacramento will propose will probably not be worth it when we can just draft Lamb at #8 or see if Drummond falls. It's not like Barnes is a can't miss prospect or anything so I'm not understanding why we should give up so much assets for him. In fact, I would argue Lamb has less holes in his game...

That said, if the deal was in fact Evans + #5 for DeRozan + #8 (and smaller pieces like cash or second rounders) then sure. Heck, I'd even take on Garcia if SAC is down. But in all likelihood, SAC laughs us off the phone. And when you factor in SAC's team needs, we don't have anything we can offer them that they need.

So Evans + Garcia + #5 for DeRozan + #8 + TPE is a done deal in my books. Other than that, I'm just not in enough love with Barnes for me to give up Lamb on the cheap PLUS the other required assets for him.

[Rapsfan07]

this would make me the happiest boy in the world.
Barnes
Bargnani
Val
Finally a core worth building around
(maybe derozan)

I wouldn't quite say that worth "building around"....as much love as I have for Val and Barnes I don't think either guy is going to reach superstar level. If anything those names could develop into 3 REALLY good players but not superstars.

What I mean by that was like the Pistons....they were 5 really good players but not really superstars to take over a franchise with. You don't really build around talent unless they are superstars. If we have those 3 we're off to a great start but we would need another 2 at their level to bring in to be real contenders in the end and they would have to fit lol which is another tough criteria.

I would agree. I have faith in Val and Barnes...Bargnani is what he is at this point regardless of what the fanboys have to say. Val I think will be a solid player but I don't think a superstar. Barnes looks like he could be Luol Deng but nothing more. We would still need a "IT" guy...a superstar or something close to it if we ever want to come out of the first round.

Also, we'll never be able to build a Miami. Our best be would be a Memphis/Piston team in that there were 5 really good players rather than 2 or 3 star and roles players like we're seeing now. But our hope right now lies with Val and Lamb (hopefully) which is a great starting point. If BC can fill the SF spot with a young guy via FA like Batum or a trade of Ed Davis for a guy like Fournier, that would be huge. Also signing young useful role players like Mayo, Asik etc would do wonders.

The way forward is through youth. It can't be done any other way regardless of what BC says.

[HEDOBALL]

Don't think i've read one mod post in the thread yet.

Something smells fishy.

[Mister Ze]

Don't think i've read one mod post in the thread yet.

Something smells fishy.

Slow day on the forum, probably allowed the speculation to unfold.

[sh00n]

Barnes + Evans for 8th + Demar + ?

[bonjovi0308]

1) both barnes and beal could be gone in top4
2) if u are sac, would u prefer drafting drumond or getting say demar+ed+8th pick? drumond is not going to slip past blazers at 6th

i think the source is legit buy i dont think it could materialize. bc is just doing his job having all the options opened

[martypython]

Who is your "inside source"?

not going to say unfortunately. hope you understand. But if you are a realGMer you will notice that i've broken stories in the past, only to see them brought up a few weeks later from the wire.

While goodjoey's source has to be taken with a pinch of salt, this isn't the first time he has shared what he has 'heard'. So interesting info none the less. It shouldn't come as any surprise that BC's first choice on draft night could be to package our pick and a player for Barnes if he isn't taken by Charlotte or Cleveland.

I will treat his tidbits the same way I would treat TMZ.

[bboyskinnylegs]

1) both barnes and beal could be gone in top4
2) if u are sac, would u prefer drafting drumond or getting say demar+ed+8th pick? drumond is not going to slip past blazers at 6th

i think the source is legit buy i dont think it could materialize. bc is just doing his job having all the options opened

if both Barnes and Beal are gone in the top 4, then one of MKG or TRob is still there at 5, which is still a great outcome. I don't think there's any way we'd trade up if the cost was Ed+DeMar.

[Los Manos]

1) both barnes and beal could be gone in top4
2) if u are sac, would u prefer drafting drumond or getting say demar+ed+8th pick? drumond is not going to slip past blazers at 6th

i think the source is legit buy i dont think it could materialize. bc is just doing his job having all the options opened

if both Barnes and Beal are gone in the top 4, then one of MKG or TRob is still there at 5, which is still a great outcome. I don't think there's any way we'd trade up if the cost was Ed+DeMar.

Ed+DeMar+8 is a massive overpayment. But what if the 5th or even the 4th could be had for just Ed+DeMar? Might sound crazy but that's a good offer which if you were Cleveland or Sacramento you would have to listen to. I'm getting the sense that teams with 2-6 picks just aren't massively sold on any of the prospects and are going to have their ears open to offers that will provide a decent return. They may have been asking for a lot in the last couple of weeks but I think one of those teams is going to look to add a few good pieces over taking a flyer on a prospect they aren't sold on at all and could lower their expectations for a return as the draft gets closer.

[JamesNaismith]

1) both barnes and beal could be gone in top4
2) if u are sac, would u prefer drafting drumond or getting say demar+ed+8th pick? drumond is not going to slip past blazers at 6th

i think the source is legit buy i dont think it could materialize. bc is just doing his job having all the options opened

if both Barnes and Beal are gone in the top 4, then one of MKG or TRob is still there at 5, which is still a great outcome. I don't think there's any way we'd trade up if the cost was Ed+DeMar.

Ed+DeMar+8 is a massive overpayment. But what if the 5th or even the 4th could be had for just Ed+DeMar? Might sound crazy but that's a good offer which if you were Cleveland or Sacramento you would have to listen to. I'm getting the sense that teams with 2-6 picks just aren't massively sold on any of the prospects and are going to have their ears open to offers that will provide a decent return. They may have been asking for a lot in the last couple of weeks but I think one of those teams is going to look to add a few good pieces over taking a flyer on a prospect they aren't sold on at all and could lower their expectations for a return as the draft gets closer.

I highly, highly doubt Ed + DeMar gets you a top 6 pick.

Keep in mind DD is in the final year of his rookie contract.

If it did I would do it in a heartbeat and I wouldn't even think twice about it. If we subbed out Ed + DD for Drummond + Waiters (I like Lamb but that's who BC wants)....I think I would faint. I would then immediately start shopping Bargnani for a SF and we hit the jackpot imo! lol

Nash
Waiters
Granger?!
Valanciunas
Drummond

If only lol

[IMAN5]

it'll prob be pick + ed davis for sac's pick

that's why learn to effin tank properly toronto.

[WigginsNation]

I really hope this trade goes through so we can get MKG!
Screw barnes, his skills are overrated.

I'd do #8, Demar, Ed for #5(MKG) and Tyreke in a second!!!!

[CPT]

I'd support just about any move to move up in the draft to get someone we really like.

If Barnes is taken 4th by Cleveland, which seems to be the consensus, MKG might be there at 5, which would be great. However, we're unlikely to be interested in trading up for either one, since they are pretty different as prospects.

Even if Barnes maxes out as a Luol Deng, I think he has a pretty good chance of reaching that potential, and that kind of guy would be great on our team. I still don't really want the real Deng because of age/contract, but a young version to grow with Jonas and whoever else we end up building around would be pretty solid.

MKG has a higher upside as an overall player, and I'd take him higher, but his lack of non-athleticism/transition based offense is a bit of a concern.

I'd also be pretty interested in expanding the deal in order to get Reke (even though I'm not a huge fan), but I'm not sure Ed + Demar would be enough, and I don't know what else we have to sweeten the pot outside of JV, but that's not an option.

[goodjoey]

I really hope this trade goes through so we can get MKG!
Screw barnes, his skills are overrated.

I'd do #8, Demar, Ed for #5(MKG) and Tyreke in a second!!!!

You know what, this might still work, but i havn't heard anything about MKG from our organization this summer.

The most recent stuff has been all barnes, they really like the guy, but I don't know if the raps and the kings will ever agree on anything. It's kinda like putting all your money on red for BC. He needs to make the right moves on draft day and this off season if he wants that cheddar.

I think they are just keeping all options and avenues open. To me, a lot depends on this draft pick, trading it for an established player will definately help in the persuasion of Nash (if he needs it), but if not, then we should be looking to get the best players out of the draft. It's a really tough call.

Do you guys think we would still have enough pieces to land an iggy or gay if we use our pick or trade it for a better one? Because I really feel like that will put us over the top in the nash sweepstakes.

ahh, the classic debate of win now or rebuild properly.....