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Re: We are no longer in need of a PG 

Post#21 » by SweetTouch » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:22 am

If MM is gone, we still need the token white guy.

Maybe draft a big euro
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Post#22 » by dflash3 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:39 am

Center should continue to remain a priority for the Heat, and Chalmers and Cole have shown to be more than adequate at the point guard position. Despite Chalmers not being the best decision maker, his sharp shooting is vital to allowing Lebron and Wade to operate, and his most valuable trait is that he shows up when the game is on the line. Cole hit the rookie wall pretty hard, but started to regain his form during the postseason. Also, I expect Cole to become more consistent after having more time to work with the trainers.
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Re: We are no longer in need of a PG 

Post#23 » by Axel » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:42 am

EscapoTHB wrote:That said, if Nash wants to come here, he's the number 1 free agent to get.

Especially since we now know we have Chris Bosh who is a dominant NBA center(who knew?).

Nash
Wade
Battier
Lebron
Bosh

Bench:
Rio
UD
Mike or JJ

That's a nice 8 man rotation. With the opportunity during the season to continue to develop Pittman, whatever Rookie we draft, Harris, and Cole. Good mix of young and old.


Not too surprising. He torched the Magic for 40 points with Howard guarding him when he played for Toronto. Bosh is the best all-around PF in the NBA and he's in the prime of his career. I laughed at Stuart Scott for calling him "the forgotten member of the big 3". Whatever. He can guard SF's (Durant), PFs (Ibaka), and Cs (Perkins). NONE of them can guard him. The versatility of our Big 3 is what makes us better than any other team in the NBA.

The only thing we "need" is to improve our bench so the Big 3 don't have to log so many minutes (Lebron in particular). I don't see us finding a center that helps us out really. Most teams are looking for a center, and really there's no one too special waiting. Nash would be a great fit imo....if he could make Amare look as great as he did in Phoenix, imagine putting him with Bosh! Ray Allen would provide some bench scoring as well and wouldn't be a bad option either.
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Re: We are no longer in need of a PG 

Post#24 » by Hoops23 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:56 am

"Let's get NASH-ty"

if Nash wants to play for the minimum with the Heat. I say, sign him.
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Re: We are no longer in need of a PG 

Post#25 » by Lord Leoshes » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:10 am

Guys the OP is right to an extent. We dont rely need one but i would prefer we had a vet (at the min) like Doolings who could play 2nd, or 3rd string & guard the 1, or the 2, not complaint cause hes a vet. + The pressure on the ball defense he played in that BOS series, + 3 point shooting impressed me.
Not a flashy pick but realistic, & solid.


But what we all know that we need is either a C, or a PF who could slid to C occasionally. Someone who will help on the glass, defense, & either block shots, or help distribute the ball.
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Post#26 » by narmerguy » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:29 am

I really think we should stop with this Nash stuff. He isn't coming here. http://www.rantsports.com/blog/2012/06/ ... -to-three/ He's apparently choosing between Toronto, Portland, and PHX. It really wouldn't make much since to a guy like him to come here since he has never cared about ring chasing.

And honestly, we clearly don't need him. I would rather pass on him if it cost us any less of a center. That is the only thing we should be focused on. It won't hurt to add stuff, whatever. But hoenstly, it's not like most of them will play when big playoff moments come. We don't need more bench people, we need a legit starting center who can actually play in our system. This'll be the third year we try to get one--I hope we have some success.
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Post#27 » by orangeparka » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:50 am

Mario's been great. I love that we got him on a cheap deal and he's really improved his game leaps and bounds this season.

His overall play is much less sloppy, and his three point shot has become really deadly. As always, he's not afraid to take big shots or take it to the hole.
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Re: We are no longer in need of a PG 

Post#28 » by Beasley » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:58 pm

I think we need a center, but the only two centers who are worthwhile are Marcus Camby and Samuel Dalembert. If Ray Allen or Steve Nash come calling, you have to make an exception and acquire them instead. Otherwise you take Camby or Dalembert if you can get either. After that there are no good centers who would be willing to come to Miami, and so you have to go to your Plan B and get a combo guard like Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford who can play the point when Chalmers is struggling and can provide some rest to Wade at the shooting guard positions. We should avoid another 2/3 swingman. We need a 5 or a 1/2 combo guard, unless you have a chance at Steve Nash or Ray Allen.

Plan A+ - Steve Nash, Ray Allen
Plan A - Marcus Camby, Samuel Dalembert
Plan B - Jason Terry, Jamal Crawford
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Post#29 » by DayofMourning » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:06 pm

Integrate some Celtics into this squad and we'd be set IMO. Garnett at center and Allen as backup SG.

Miller's game 5 Finals' performance will go down in history, but his body is suffering big time. If he can possibly get healthy, then I'd say we're set at SG, but he's just been cursed since he got here.

Garnett could do exactly what Bosh did in the Finals for us. He's a good defender and rebounder, and is near automatic on his jumpshot these days. He plays from his heart though, and I think he might consider it treasonous to walk away from Boston to the team who's put them out the past two years.
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Re: We are no longer in need of a PG 

Post#30 » by fishfuego. » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:02 pm

Axel wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:That said, if Nash wants to come here, he's the number 1 free agent to get.

Especially since we now know we have Chris Bosh who is a dominant NBA center(who knew?).

Nash
Wade
Battier
Lebron
Bosh

Bench:
Rio
UD
Mike or JJ

That's a nice 8 man rotation. With the opportunity during the season to continue to develop Pittman, whatever Rookie we draft, Harris, and Cole. Good mix of young and old.


Not too surprising. He torched the Magic for 40 points with Howard guarding him when he played for Toronto. Bosh is the best all-around PF in the NBA and he's in the prime of his career. I laughed at Stuart Scott for calling him "the forgotten member of the big 3". Whatever. He can guard SF's (Durant), PFs (Ibaka), and Cs (Perkins). NONE of them can guard him. The versatility of our Big 3 is what makes us better than any other team in the NBA.

The only thing we "need" is to improve our bench so the Big 3 don't have to log so many minutes (Lebron in particular). I don't see us finding a center that helps us out really. Most teams are looking for a center, and really there's no one too special waiting. Nash would be a great fit imo....if he could make Amare look as great as he did in Phoenix, imagine putting him with Bosh! Ray Allen would provide some bench scoring as well and wouldn't be a bad option either.


My sentiment here^
I also agree with posters like LeMVP, EscapoTHB and a few others that would take the likes of Nash, Allen, Terry etc.

Nash, Allen, Terry (if any of them come calling) are talents you can't simply say no regardless of position, and this is due to a factor called dept. Put it this way, to win a championship lots of things have to go your way, Talent, adjustment-coaching, ...luck, this is where a player such as Nash for example is a must for a Champion who's looking to repeat and has Dynasty aspirations.
Think about it, Wade played at an 80% health level, but it could have been worse. Bosh missed almost two series, but it could have been worse, in which case, now you're left with a partial team and a wasted opportunity.
Nash is a proven all star that has playoffs experience and knows how to take over. Rio is a great complement to LBJ/Wade/Bosh, but he is no Nash for obvious reasons. Is Nash coming here? Who knows, maybe not, but I do hope he does.
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Post#31 » by DefenseWins » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:32 pm

narmerguy wrote:I really think we should stop with this Nash stuff. He isn't coming here. http://www.rantsports.com/blog/2012/06/ ... -to-three/ He's apparently choosing between Toronto, Portland, and PHX. It really wouldn't make much since to a guy like him to come here since he has never cared about ring chasing.

And honestly, we clearly don't need him. I would rather pass on him if it cost us any less of a center. That is the only thing we should be focused on. It won't hurt to add stuff, whatever. But hoenstly, it's not like most of them will play when big playoff moments come. We don't need more bench people, we need a legit starting center who can actually play in our system. This'll be the third year we try to get one--I hope we have some success.



Portland? I understand Toronto and PHX. I heard that he'd consider NY too.

Guess he doesn't want a ring.

Let's get Ray Allen atleast.
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Post#32 » by RexBoyWonder » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:51 pm

Jason Terry over Ray Allen :

1. can play both SG and PG, big plus for a team that has D-Wade.
2. younger and healthier.
3. used to coming off the bench.
4. better at creating for himself.

Ray Allen over Terry :

better shooter when healthy.

I'll take Terry.
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Post#33 » by cb1 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:51 pm

DayofMourning wrote:I just don't see the need for Nash. We have two very capable ball handlers in Wade/James, and Chalmers/Cole are much, much better defenders than Nash is.

We play a defensive game, that creates opportunities for fast breaks. At what stage is Nash going to be able to play Heat defense??? Nash isn't a Heat guy. If he were 30 and not 38, then we might be having a different conversation. Adding him, and trying to integrate him, while postponing Cole's development wouldn't make a lot of sense.

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Post#34 » by Skip2MY » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:35 pm

Two things I would do to shore up our center position...

1st...if we know Mike Miller is going to retire...ask him to do one thing for us... Let us trade him... we call Houston up and trade Mike Miller and our 1st pick draft rights(cant trade him before the draft) for Samuel Dalembert

I think Dalembert is the perfect defender for Dwight(bothered Dwight so much when in Philly) and Bynum. So we can limit those teams when they play us.

2nd... I would trade Joel Anthony, Dexter Pittman,cash and whatever else for Channing Frye. I think Frye is a better fit then Dalembert. Only because he wouldnt interrupt the offensive scheme of posting Lebron and Wade and he stretches the floor...3pt shooting Center whose better rebounding than what we've had(he averages 7 in ~25 min) and defense has improved where it lacked(averaged over 1 blk a game the last two seasons) and he's smart enough for our system... drew a lot of charges throughout his career.

3rd... Honestly I think Ray Allen is the perfect player for this system...whose going to sag on Ray when he's at the three...you know how many open looks he will get. 90% free throw shooter. I think Terry is looking for money...he mentioned us in the interview at the beginning of the season because his contract didn't get extended and they wouldn't talk a new contract til 2012 off season because of Deron...so I dont know about Terry.

4th... I could see Nash coming here if he's willing to sacrifice close to 5 million dollars. I think his market will be 7mil or more. Nets I believe will offer him the most money if they lose Deron Williams. But if I have to debate between him and Ray i'm not sure who makes the best fit. Unless we could somehow get money...trade exception...etc

5th... I agree with the Brandon Roy and Greg Oden acquisitions as low risk high reward grabs.

6th...Round out the bench with fillers... If James Jones retires...we need a knock down shooter...like Kapono, I dont know if Nocioni has any left in the tank... I love Patty Mills as our third point guard...ridiculously high fg% and high 3pt %. We could look at amnestied players... Brandon Haywood, Rashard Lewis(likely not), etc
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Post#35 » by Lord Leoshes » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:03 pm

The Heats future all defensive lineup.


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Jason Terry
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Jason Kidd
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Post#36 » by GetMoney » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:48 pm

i just dont see riley turning nash down if he wants to come here tho
were they not in the market for derek fisher? how do you go after fish but turn nash down

yes i kno that was pre championship but nash wont be around for more than 2yrs
thats good for 3 of our 7 titles =)

then either chalmers or cole can run the show for the next 4
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Post#37 » by Miami316 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:23 pm

GetMoney wrote:i just dont see riley turning nash down if he wants to come here tho
were they not in the market for derek fisher? how do you go after fish but turn nash down

yes i kno that was pre championship but nash wont be around for more than 2yrs
thats good for 3 of our 7 titles =)

then either chalmers or cole can run the show for the next 4


Rio is only out classed by CP3 and DWill ...why bench him for Nash...hes a top 3 - 5 PG in the league after his playoffs showcase.

I'd much rather have him than Westbrook or Rondo (Less selfish than Westbrook and a much better offensive player than Rondo...who is very overrated on the defensive side and passing anyways)
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Post#38 » by HEATVols865 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:03 pm

I've been wrong a lot around here but go back to last year's post final threads and you will see me calling it: Chalmers grew last year and he went out these finals and did it...we're OK in the PG position...let's focus on getting a C.
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Post#39 » by LordkeiiN » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:12 am

LeMVP wrote:I don't understand how this is still a discussion. I've never seen a clearer situation than this for a team. Let me break it down one last time (from my point of view):

What do we need?

- PG: Do we need one? No, Chalmers/Cole/LeBron/Wade can get the job down without a problem. Would Nash be a big acquisition? Is this even a question? Nash is still playing like a Top3 PG and would be a huge boost for this team. He could come from the bench and anchor the whole game with LBJ out, he could be on the floor on crunch time, he could play the PnR with Bosh/LeBron, he could learn Chalmers/Cole a thousand things, etc. Yes, if we can get him take him, but we don't need any other new ball handler.

- Position 2-3: all depends on the future of Miller/Jones. If one or both retire we absolutely need to replace him/them. Nice acquisitions would be Terry and Allen or any other good spot-up 3pt shooter. If none of both retires, we should still try to get Allen. He's the GOAT-3pt shooter and Miller is injured at all time.

- Position 4: no need for backups.

- C: Do we have any average center on this team? No. Curry isn't an option and will probably never be one and Turiaf is at best a backup center. Joel shall (and will) remain on this team, he can bring a lot defensively and is a rather quick C. He got some nice post moves in the last months too. Pittman is a work in progress, if we get a new center he should take Turiaf's spot. If there is one position where we really need an upgrade it's this one. We should go after a massiv center (weight), who is a good defender and has good hands. He can't be our weak point on defense and has to be able to catch passes (unlike Joel).

Coach: Spo needs to / and will remain headcoach. Said it all season long and will continue to say it: he's a great coach. He needs to improve his in-game adjustments, play call out of TO and clutch-situations. For the rest he's an absolute beast at his age/experience and has proven to be the right coach beside egos like Wade/James.

Other: Juwan Howard. This guy has to remain on this team. I don't care as what (assistant, 14th man, Gatorade-boy, ...). His an anchor point, a coach-player, the co-badass on this team along with Haslem. KEEP THIS MAN!


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