Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

[PMONSTER]

A couple things here....

Are people not breaking the deal down? Is there too many pieces involved for people to process this? The reason I ask is I've seen the same people who've said do Calderon and 8th or Garcia and 5th for Deng but now saying this deal is horrible. When you break this deal down it's Harris and 7th for Deng.

The other part to the deal is Wright, 35 and 52 for a protected 1st next year and our 29. Is Wright not good enough to you guys? You have to give to get. You can break this down other ways too like Harris, #7 and 35 for Deng and Wright and 52 for 29 and future 1st.

Also for all the let's take the Kings deal, FYI Taj Gibson and maybe even the Bobcats pick needs to go in the deal and that's taking Salmons from the Kings stance. How does that deal look now?

You have to give to get and people. From all the stuff I've heard this is actually not a bad deal at all.

It's the second part that's bad (trading two firsts for Dorell Wright and some #2). Let's say the Bulls are about .500 next year. You're giving up a mid teens pick for Dorrell Wright? Come on, it's bad.

Reasons why #5/Salmons is better: I feel at #5 you're available to get one of Robinson, Beal, Barnes or Gilchrist.

Reasons why #8/Calderon is better: You get a more serviceable PG in Calderon, still likely get the same guy at #8 that #7 would give you and you're going to not give up numerous firsts for a replacement level SF.

You're not doing what I'm talking about here........

I'll say that I understand why some would rather do those deals but to act like the proposed deal that Ralph put up is garbage is really funny. What do people expect to get for a player who can't get his own shot regularly and is HURT and is determined to play through injury!

Heck....... I'd rather do the #8/Calderon deal but if it doesn't happen then okay move down the list of acceptable trade offers

[Payt10]

I don't mind the deal personally. I'd rather us get the 30th pick back as opposed to 35. Wright can fill in at SF, Harris can be a stop gap at PG until Rose returns and I'm assuming the draft pick would end up being Waiters, Rivers, or Lamb. Have to think the Bulls are looking to save more money though. Hard to see this being the deal that goes through at the end of the day.

[Mech Engineer]

A couple things here....

Are people not breaking the deal down? Is there too many pieces involved for people to process this? The reason I ask is I've seen the same people who've said do Calderon and 8th or Garcia and 5th for Deng but now saying this deal is horrible. When you break this deal down it's Harris and 7th for Deng.

The other part to the deal is Wright, 35 and 52 for a protected 1st next year and our 29. Is Wright not good enough to you guys? You have to give to get. You can break this down other ways too like Harris, #7 and 35 for Deng and Wright and 52 for 29 and future 1st.

Also for all the let's take the Kings deal, FYI Taj Gibson and maybe even the Bobcats pick needs to go in the deal and that's taking Salmons from the Kings stance. How does that deal look now?

You have to give to get and people. From all the stuff I've heard this is actually not a bad deal at all.

I'll go a step further.......

When you turn your head to all the dumb deals we have seen, including that Gerald Wallce deal that the Nets did, then how can you not say this is a good deal?

We get a stop gap pg in Devin Harris and a legit sf in Wright while getting the #7 pick and people aren't happy?

Yall want to trade Deng for Lebron or Durant? Is that what we holding out for?

It's not about getting LeBron/Durant type guys for Deng. But, getting just a pick is very risky for Deng who is an established player in the league. If an expiring Wallace netted such a deal, Deng who is younger/better/in prime should get a better deal

[singal3]

The Dorrell Wright love on this thread mirrors the Carlos Boozer love 3-4 years ago.

[Shill]

Can someone explain to me why you're trading numerous first round picks (regardless of location) to get Dorrell Wright now? Dorrell Wright is a seven year pro who besides a few years in the Golden State system, has been drastically average and about the definition of replacement level. I don't get it. I get people are lured by Devin Harris the name, but you do realize that Harris the last few years has been about Kirk Hinrich in 2008 level and that he isn't the same guy who played in the 2009 All-Star game?

If it was Harris, Wright and the #7 for Deng and #29, I could live with that. I just don't like giving up future firsts for role players.

Harris and Wright offer cap flexibility. Their expiring deals could be used as trading chips next year. They're also competent fill-ins in the interim.

A protected first in 2013 isn't an awful price to pay.

The deal hinges on whether or not the guy at #7 pans out.

[DuckIII]

He's also not nearly as good defensively as Deng, but if you assume that the #7 pick is a second scorer and that Boozer is your third scorer, what else do you really need from the SF position?

And why on earth would anyone make that assumption?

[jumpmanjay]

to give up our 2013 pick, garpax have to believe that:

1) we will still be a playoff team next year
2) next years draft will be weak (which all signs point to as "yes")

[dice]

We get a stop gap pg in Devin Harris and a legit sf in Wright while getting the #7 pick and people aren't happy?

the other thing about it is that we get 3 rotation players for 1. we'd be replacing the depth we're bound to be losing with the bench mob and, for those gung-ho about it, getting more balance O vs D. i gotta think it gives us a better shot at contending THIS COMING YEAR

[Shill]

He's also not nearly as good defensively as Deng, but if you assume that the #7 pick is a second scorer and that Boozer is your third scorer, what else do you really need from the SF position?

And why on earth would anyone make that assumption?

[JDRochholz]

lol @ this thread. Gotta love the postseason. Whatever move Gar makes, will be the right one. I have faith in the front office of this team.

[Shill]

to give up our 2013 pick, garpax have to believe that:

1) we will still be a playoff team next year
2) next years draft will be weak (which all signs point to as "yes")

The pick is supposedly protected (my guess would be lottery).

[Red Larrivee]

This deal doesn't offer that much "cap flexibility" guys. The Bulls will still be in the tax with the team if Asik gets an offer of the MLE. You're only under the cap by about 5-6 million when Harris and Wright expire too.

It'll help shed $$$ long-term, but you still pay the tax this year and don't have the MLE to use.

[jumpmanjay]

Harris and Wright offer cap flexibility. Their expiring deals could be used as trading chips next year. They're also competent fill-ins in the interim.

A protected first in 2013 isn't an awful price to pay.

The deal hinges on whether or not the guy at #7 pans out.

i believe in the bolded part. looking at the FA class of 2013, i have to believe they are looking to trade at the deadline next feb. there really isnt anyone enticing for us, but they may be valuable for someone who is looking for a PG, PF or C.

[dice]

The Dorrell Wright love on this thread...

we must not be reading the same thread

[Benedict Miller]

to give up our 2013 pick, garpax have to believe that:

1) we will still be a playoff team next year
2) next years draft will be weak (which all signs point to as "yes")

The pick is supposedly protected (my guess would be lottery).

I don't think he was talking about the Bobcats pick..Just our 2013 pick...Is that pick really protected?

[JWR32]

Don't like the idea of trading deng or Noah for that matter I understand we have needs and those three will put a hurting on the cap but along with rose those three players are what makes us go. I feel bulls need to make everyone else expendable except the core of rose deng and Noah.


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[RoseTheFuture22]

Can someone explain to me why you're trading numerous first round picks (regardless of location) to get Dorrell Wright now? Dorrell Wright is a seven year pro who besides a few years in the Golden State system, has been drastically average and about the definition of replacement level. I don't get it. I get people are lured by Devin Harris the name, but you do realize that Harris the last few years has been about Kirk Hinrich in 2008 level and that he isn't the same guy who played in the 2009 All-Star game?

If it was Harris, Wright and the #7 for Deng and #29, I could live with that. I just don't like giving up future firsts for role players.

Never underestimate what a guy will do in his contract year. These guys are nothing special, Wright is nothing more than a 7th/8th guy ideally but its not like he makes a lot. I've never been a Harris fan and his last season was awful but he would still probably be the best PG Derrick has ever played with and possibly see how a backcourt of 2 guys with similar scoring styles would work out(for all those Tyreke lovers). As for the other pick next draft doesn't look that special, its gonna be filled with tweener fowards and backup big men.

[Shill]

This deal doesn't offer that much "cap flexibility" guys. The Bulls will still be in the tax with the team if Asik gets an offer of the MLE. You're only under the cap by about 5-6 million when Harris and Wright expire too.

It'll help shed $$$ long-term, but you still pay the tax this year and don't have the MLE to use.

Harris and Wright could also potentially be moved before the deadline.

And with the acquisition of Harris and Wright, we don't really need to use the MLE.

[blumeany]

Is it me, or is Rivers just a 'name' and a bunch of hype? Seems to me like his whole resume is 'I'm Doc River's son' and a few exciting YouTube clips here or there.

[jumpmanjay]

I don't think he was talking about the Bobcats pick..Just our 2013 pick

youre both right.

i was talking about the 2013 pick...and it is supposedly protected. (according to the rumors at least)