Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

jumpmanjay · Post #781 » by **jumpmanjay** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:40 pm

people who are saying JR is cheap for not wanting to go into the tax are being very short-sighted. this new CBA blows. we need to stay out of the lux tax until 2013 or 2014 now.

dgolo00 · Post #782 » by **dgolo00** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:40 pm

Bulls1983 wrote:Seems most likely that we end up with 3 rookies this year, the 29th and maybe two 2nd rounders via trade.

I'd move CJ for a 2nd round pick

boogydown · Post #783 » by **boogydown** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:40 pm

Bulls1983 wrote:Seems most likely that we end up with 3 rookies this year, the 29th and maybe two 2nd rounders via trade.

Will bet money on this. Think this is what the Bulls do and focus time on undrafted pick, cheap solutions in free agency, possibly use the MMLE if they find someone they like long term. That's it. Hard to make a move right now so early.

Post #784 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:40 pm

Irregular wrote:I don't get why Deng keeps delaying the wrist surgery.

It affects the way he plays basketball, and makes him a target.

Team Usa can wack at his wrist or any other team.

Because if he gets the surgery he can't play at all in the Olympics and, um, he wants to play in the Olympics.

The Bear Jew · Post #785 » by **The Bear Jew** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:41 pm

At first I wasn't really for trading Deng, but after realizing that we might have to sit through 2 months of next season with him not playing, I really want him off this team while we have the chance. I don't want to just give him away, but at the same time, next season will be even more frustrating now if we have to deal with him sitting out. We've gone through it with Rose, I'm not prepared to do the same with Deng.

The Bear Jew · Post #786 » by **The Bear Jew** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:43 pm

boogydown wrote:
Bulls1983 wrote:Seems most likely that we end up with 3 rookies this year, the 29th and maybe two 2nd rounders via trade.

Will bet money on this. Think this is what the Bulls do and focus time on undrafted pick, cheap solutions in free agency, possibly use the MMLE if they find someone they like long term. That's it. Hard to make a move right now so early.

We are not getting 3 rookies, period. Seriously, I know we need cheap players, but we're not the D-League either. I'd say the most likely thing we do is buy a mid-2nd round pick.

jumpmanjay · Post #787 » by **jumpmanjay** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:44 pm

The Bear Jew wrote:At first I wasn't really for trading Deng, but after realizing that we might have to sit through 2 months of next season with him not playing, I really want him off this team while we have the chance. I don't want to just give him away, but at the same time, next season will be even more frustrating now if we have to deal with him sitting out. We've gone through it with Rose, I'm not prepared to do the same with Deng.

i am. lets get butler some burn.

lets face it- we will make the playoffs next year. if derrick is derrick by the playoffs, we have a chance to contend. if he isnt, well, we have no chance anyway, so might as well develop butler.

if by some chance we dont even make the playoffs, then great. hopefully we can get someone good in the 2013 draft.

dgolo00 · Post #788 » by **dgolo00** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:45 pm

bad knees wrote:I am with Coldfish and Duck on this one. Trading Deng, for the Bulls, appears to be all about shedding salary. At least it is the primary motivation. They might get a lottery pick back, but they know, and people who look at draft history know, that such picks rarely pan out. There is just tremendous risk. The people who think otherwise have a bad case of draft fever. Happens every year. Very serious condition, but only fatal if you succumb to its urges.

For the people who are interested in the Bulls winning a championship, the Bulls' failure to find a deal for Deng is the best outcome, if it forces management to admit that Boozer has to go. Now if the Bulls sacrifice Asik or Gibson because management does not want to concede that it made a mistake in signing Boozer, then that is really something to be upset about.

Deng has been a very UNDERRATED 2nd wheel with Derrick. There was a point last year before Deng hurt his wrist, he was a BEAST on both ends of the floor which is why he was an ALL STAR. He will not be moved on Thursday...I see the Bulls riding with the team already assembled & MAYBE move some contracts at the trade deadline come February (Boozer, Asik, Gibson, Deng), pending where we are at that point in the season.

boogydown · Post #789 » by **boogydown** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:45 pm

Remember when Wade question the Bulls loyalty, well their are more aspects to trading Deng. While it seems so easy for us to trade Deng, unless you have a new GM, going to be difficult for them to part ways. These trades which clearly work out better for the other team are being shot down by us, imagine Pax/Gar.

boogydown · Post #790 » by **boogydown** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:46 pm

The Bear Jew wrote:
boogydown wrote:
Bulls1983 wrote:Seems most likely that we end up with 3 rookies this year, the 29th and maybe two 2nd rounders via trade.

Will bet money on this. Think this is what the Bulls do and focus time on undrafted pick, cheap solutions in free agency, possibly use the MMLE if they find someone they like long term. That's it. Hard to make a move right now so early.

We are not getting 3 rookies, period. Seriously, I know we need cheap players, but we're not the D-League either. I'd say the most likely thing we do is buy a mid-2nd round pick.

and sign an undrafted Euro which makes up 3 rookies. What's so unrealistic?

Post #791 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:47 pm

jumpmanjay wrote:people who are saying JR is cheap for not wanting to go into the tax are being very short-sighted. this new CBA blows. we need to stay out of the lux tax until 2013 or 2014 now.

Why?

I guess I can understand 2013 if you are of the view that it is absolutely not possible for a late February return for Rose to lead to any potential contention in the Eastern Conference. And I mean literally impossible.

But for 2014? Why the hell do they need to avoid tax then? Rose will presumably be totally fine, or at least you have to plan that way.

The Bulls have been printing money for nearly 15 years without paying the tax. But now they are a contender. Is the Dynasty still deluding fans into thinking that title contention is easy to obtain? That becoming a top 4 team in the NBA is something you can "just do"? Its not. These years are precious. Like a platinum pin encrusted in diamonds pinned to a 23 year old Brazilian woman's ass.

dgolo00 · Post #792 » by **dgolo00** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:47 pm

jumpmanjay wrote:
The Bear Jew wrote:At first I wasn't really for trading Deng, but after realizing that we might have to sit through 2 months of next season with him not playing, I really want him off this team while we have the chance. I don't want to just give him away, but at the same time, next season will be even more frustrating now if we have to deal with him sitting out. We've gone through it with Rose, I'm not prepared to do the same with Deng.

i am. lets get butler some burn.

lets face it- we will make the playoffs next year. if derrick is derrick by the playoffs, we have a chance to contend. if he isnt, well, we have no chance anyway, so might as well develop butler.

if by some chance we dont even make the playoffs, then great. hopefully we can get someone good in the 2013 draft.

Worse come to worse Deng gets the surgery, Jimmy Butler will get some valuable playing time. No one knows how good this guy can be. Regardless he will see significant minutes next year, well deserved...keep working hard Jimmy!

musiqsoulchild · Post #793 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:47 pm

DuckIII wrote:
dice wrote:
PMONSTER wrote:We get a stop gap pg in Devin Harris and a legit sf in Wright while getting the #7 pick and people aren't happy?

the other thing about it is that we get 3 rotation players for 1. we'd be replacing the depth we're bound to be losing with the bench mob and, for those gung-ho about it, getting more balance O vs D. i gotta think it gives us a better shot at contending THIS COMING YEAR

Oh brother. Its basically trading Deng for Harris and Wright, as far as next year is concerned. And that makes us more of a contender?

Hogwash. This deal, if done, confirms that next year is a nothing year. Just a year of Rose's career to flush. Then hope that actual quality is added the following year, and that the lottery pick is a rapid-developing prodigy or, oops, you've burned two of Rose's precious years.

If your assumptions for next season are correct, then I go back to my original plan of tanking full steam. Not some half-hearted tank but like really really tank and get a Top 3 pick next draft.

Suddenly a wasted year becomes the foundation for a championship core.

imagge · Post #794 » by **imagge** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:49 pm

organix85 wrote:
Jordan45822 wrote:
Nick Friedell ‏@ESPNChiBulls
The Bulls don't want to go into luxury tax if they can help it. They know they will struggle this season. Why add more to payroll right now?

The better question is why not? Well... maybe that isn't the better question. We know the answer.

OK how do the Bulls stay under the Tax this year without a trade of a big contract? After cutting everybody, they are at 63 mil, Asik will be matched could be up to 5 mil, 29th pick at 1 mil, that is 9 players with 3 more t fill out the roster. Unless Asik gets around 3 mil, I see no possible way the Bulls stay under the tax?

The Bear Jew · Post #795 » by **The Bear Jew** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:50 pm

jumpmanjay wrote:
The Bear Jew wrote:At first I wasn't really for trading Deng, but after realizing that we might have to sit through 2 months of next season with him not playing, I really want him off this team while we have the chance. I don't want to just give him away, but at the same time, next season will be even more frustrating now if we have to deal with him sitting out. We've gone through it with Rose, I'm not prepared to do the same with Deng.

i am. lets get butler some burn.

lets face it- we will make the playoffs next year. if derrick is derrick by the playoffs, we have a chance to contend. if he isnt, well, we have no chance anyway, so might as well develop butler.

if by some chance we dont even make the playoffs, then great. hopefully we can get someone good in the 2013 draft.

So Butler goes from a bench warmer to 40 mpg starter? As a sophomore? That's not how it works in the NBA, he can take Brewer's role, but I am in no way confident he can replace Deng while he is gone. I can almost see us retaining Brewer if Deng were to miss that much time.

broker3d · Post #796 » by **broker3d** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:51 pm

In my opinion, the big prize for trading Deng for a high draft pick is Harrison Barnes. The reason that it is being reported that Deng will not be traded to Golden State is that Barnes is not expected to be there at 7. Just my opinion.

Post #797 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:51 pm

I have a question.

When Deng's deal expires in 2 years, can he resign for far less money?

I dont see it being the case since he would only be 29.

The Bear Jew · Post #798 » by **The Bear Jew** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:51 pm

boogydown wrote:
and sign an undrafted Euro which makes up 3 rookies. What's so unrealistic?

Us having 3 rookies on our roster, just hasn't happened in the past. Let alone using them as rotational players. Maybe a Euro-stash.

Post #799 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:53 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:If your assumptions for next season are correct, then I go back to my original plan of tanking full steam. Not some half-hearted tank but like really really tank and get a Top 3 pick next draft.

Suddenly a wasted year becomes the foundation for a championship core.

I am not for that either, but I agree with you. Lets not half ass this. If we are going to deliberatly burn two of Rose's precious postseason runs, lets not only burn them, but burn them to the **** ground.

Don't let Rose play next year, at all. Amnesty Boozer. Trade Deng, Taj and Asik for prospects.

Keep only Noah. If we are lucky, in three or four years we might end up being as good as we are right now.

PJ Brown · Post #800 » by **PJ Brown** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:54 pm

I really don't get the melodrama here. Do people want the Bulls to take back bad players on bad contracts? Why should the Bulls be eager to do that?

I also don't think it's crazy to re-tool the bench mob, or at least replace Brewer and Watson, with draft picks, especially given how much cap is devoted to the Bulls top four. Next year might not be a contending year anyway, so you can lock in inexpensive role players who can be groomed to fit Thibs' needs and be here for the long haul. That's pretty clever, in theory, and the Bulls have been pretty good at drafting and signing this kind of player. Given the depth of this draft, this would also seem to be the year to do it.