Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

[Payt10]

At this point, I'm all for not letting Deng go. Trading him for the #7 or #8 pick is just too much of a risk.

So is keeping an injury riddled SF who's value both trade-wise and player-wise will only decline with each passing season. The team is not going anywhere next season and likely next season with this core being 2 years older with the same flaws that damned them in the Eastern Conference Finals last year.

[PJ Brown]

Which moves exactly?

Replacing Brewer, Korver and CJ with vet minium guys and late first/second round picks is making you worse. And Boozer is only getting worse.

Derrick Rose has one healthy knee as of late, let's not ignore that fact also.

Rose's knee will be what it is with or without Deng, Boozer, lottery picks, etc. And anyway, if you're arguing that Rose's knee prevents the Bulls from being a contender in the next two years, why worry about losing sub-MLE bench guys?

The gap between Ronnie Brewer and a late first round draft pick is less worrisome than the gamble on trading Deng for a late lottery pick. Re-tooling the bench might make you marginally worse, and it might not. Getting better isn't out of the question, if you select well and are able to bring in the right sort of vet/ring-chaser types.

The Bulls have their own firsts moving forward and the Charlotte pick. They'll have to make decisions on guys like Gibson and Asik, who would both have trade value, if it came to it. Deng will get healthy and his offense will be back to where it was before. I'm not suggesting you aren't asking fair questions about how things could turn out, only that you're a bit too certain to rule out success, improvement or simply maintaining the level of play the team has achieved under Thibs.

[U boj]

Hinrich is essentially a defensive specialist at this point in his career, I agree, not a fit for the Bulls at PG at all. Kidd has a lot left in him though, and is much better than Watson (click the link in my sig if you want my reasoning and find the Watson vs Kidd article). He's still an excellent passer and defender (he played KD a little in the playoffs). I'd be perfectly happy with Kidd taking the MMLE.

Kidd is not much better than Watson, lol.

He is also not an excellent defender. He can't score(which alone makes him an awful fit with this Bulls group and especially Thibs offensive system where PG score a lot). He can't penetrate. He is slow and injury prone.

Watson is a better player and a better fit, younger and knows the system.

[PJ Brown]

I like Kidd's skills, duh, but I do fear he's washed up.

[musiqsoulchild]

The Current Model of the Bulls can't even beat the 76ers in the playoffs.

You are a horrible fan.

[D_GoLow]

Here's my opinion based on everything I've heard... I think Deng is NOT traded and all we see come draft night is getting an 2nd round pick. Maybe moving up a few spots if someone we like is in range. Other than that I things will be very quiet for us.

+1

Guys they reportedly like (Lamb, Rivers, Waiters, Nicolson) could drop, with drafts you never know..

[Ralphb07]

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Here's my opinion based on everything I've heard... I think Deng is NOT traded and all we see come draft night is getting an 2nd round pick. Maybe moving up a few spots if someone we like is in range. Other than that I things will be very quiet for us.

It's not bad to stand pat. The problem with any Deng deal is taking on a contract. Teams like GS can't get him any other way and teams like Sac and Tor aren't willing to absorb all of his deal.

Several reports have come out that there's a good chance that Deng waits until after the 2012-13 season for surgery. So we might not even have him out. I was told as well he isn't set on surgery yet.

[blumeany]

Ok, so if we go by Sham's site, I show the Bulls committed to $63,394,363 in salary next season. That includes Boozer, Noah, Deng, Rose, Hamilton, Taj, and Butler. Everyone else is either out of contract, an RFA or a team option. Adding the #29 brings you to $64,251,363. That puts us about five and a half million under the luxury tax threshold with 7 players on our roster

How can this team NOT make a move with Deng or Boozer this offseason? Seems to me that Toronto's TPE is probably looking pretty sexy to GarPax and company right now.

[DuckIII]

Ok, so if we go by Sham's site, I show the Bulls committed to $63,394,363 in salary next season. That includes Boozer, Noah, Deng, Rose, Hamilton, Taj, and Butler. Everyone else is either out of contract, an RFA or a team option. Adding the #29 brings you to $64,251,363. That puts us about five and a half million under the luxury tax threshold with 7 players on our roster

How can this team NOT make a move with Deng or Boozer this offseason?

By paying some damn tax for once.

[U boj]

Which moves exactly?

Replacing Brewer, Korver and CJ with vet minium guys and late first/second round picks is making you worse. And Boozer is only getting worse.

Derrick Rose has one healthy knee as of late, let's not ignore that fact also.

Rose's knee will be what it is with or without Deng, Boozer, lottery picks, etc. And anyway, if you're arguing that Rose's knee prevents the Bulls from being a contender in the next two years, why worry about losing sub-MLE bench guys?

The gap between Ronnie Brewer and a late first round draft pick is less worrisome than the gamble on trading Deng for a late lottery pick. Re-tooling the bench might make you marginally worse, and it might not. Getting better isn't out of the question, if you select well and are able to bring in the right sort of vet/ring-chaser types.

The Bulls have their own firsts moving forward and the Charlotte pick. They'll have to make decisions on guys like Gibson and Asik, who would both have trade value, if it came to it. Deng will get healthy and his offense will be back to where it was before. I'm not suggesting you aren't asking fair questions about how things could turn out, only that you're a bit too certain to rule out success, improvement or simply maintaining the level of play the team has achieved under Thibs.

Fair enough sir.

I guess we can agree to disagree. Having 4 huge deals is just not looking very good for the Bulls atm,mainly because Boozer is trash compared to what he has been being paid.

[imagge]

Ok, so if we go by Sham's site, I show the Bulls committed to $63,394,363 in salary next season. That includes Boozer, Noah, Deng, Rose, Hamilton, Taj, and Butler. Everyone else is either out of contract, an RFA or a team option. Adding the #29 brings you to $64,251,363. That puts us about five and a half million under the luxury tax threshold with 7 players on our roster

How can this team NOT make a move with Deng or Boozer this offseason?

Yes the Bulls will be paying the tax if they stand pat

Edit: And still with no 2nd creator on offense.

[Ralphb07]

Here's my opinion based on everything I've heard... I think Deng is NOT traded and all we see come draft night is getting an 2nd round pick. Maybe moving up a few spots if someone we like is in range. Other than that I things will be very quiet for us.

+1

Guys they reportedly like (Lamb, Rivers, Waiters, Nicolson) could drop, with drafts you never know..

Yeah those guys could drop which also means teams may not be willing to make such deals... If I was a Bulls fan I wouldn't get my hopes up for any lottery pick or Lamb, Rivers or Waiters. Id instead focus on late 1st early 2nd guys rounding out the bench.

[imagge]

Ralph has there been any mention of trying to move up to acquire a 2nd pick in the late teens early 20s?

[blumeany]

Ok, so if we go by Sham's site, I show the Bulls committed to $63,394,363 in salary next season. That includes Boozer, Noah, Deng, Rose, Hamilton, Taj, and Butler. Everyone else is either out of contract, an RFA or a team option. Adding the #29 brings you to $64,251,363. That puts us about five and a half million under the luxury tax threshold with 7 players on our roster

How can this team NOT make a move with Deng or Boozer this offseason?

By paying some damn tax for once.

I understand your frustration, but what does it accomplish this year? Not much IMO. I suppose it saves Deng, maybe Asik. Otherwise, it doesn't get this franchise any closer to a title. If you went over while adding a legit player, then it would seem worthwhile.

[RedBulls23]

Here's my opinion based on everything I've heard... I think Deng is NOT traded and all we see come draft night is getting an 2nd round pick. Maybe moving up a few spots if someone we like is in range. Other than that I things will be very quiet for us.

And that is what I expected before all this Deng for lotto stuff started going around.

I thought Bulls would let Watson, Brewer and Korver go and replace them with cheaper alternatives. And also Resign Asik.

And then the following year try and get more aggressive when Rose is back to 100%, and we can contend for a title again.

[thedarkstark]

Ok, so if we go by Sham's site, I show the Bulls committed to $63,394,363 in salary next season. That includes Boozer, Noah, Deng, Rose, Hamilton, Taj, and Butler. Everyone else is either out of contract, an RFA or a team option. Adding the #29 brings you to $64,251,363. That puts us about five and a half million under the luxury tax threshold with 7 players on our roster

How can this team NOT make a move with Deng or Boozer this offseason?

Yes the Bulls will be paying the tax if they stand pat

They can just sign vet minimum and non-guarnateed contract players like Mike James.

Which is what I think they will do if they don't make any moves.

[ChicagoStrong]

Irregular, your posts bring the lulz.

[Ralphb07]

Ralph has there been any mention of trying to move up to acquire a 2nd pick in the late teens early 20s?

Everything has been discussed or the Bulls FO wouldn't be doing their jobs. I just don't how you get in the teens. I think offer the 29 and future considerations can get us somewhere in the 20's but that's it.

[xpmar9x]

Trade Deng for Evans & 36

Maybe we could also get a future 1st from SAC. Lotto protected '13, Top 5 in '14, Unprotected in '15. Something like that... could turn into a stud (like the Bobcats pick). We also could possibly get IT or Jimmer, if the Kings get Lowry (that's been rumored).

[imagge]

Ralph has there been any mention of trying to move up to acquire a 2nd pick in the late teens early 20s?

Everything has been discussed or the Bulls FO wouldn't be doing their jobs. I just don't how you get in the teens. I think offer the 29 and future considerations can get us somewhere in the 20's but that's it.

I could see a team like Den trading it for future picks....they are loaded with no place to play a rookie and a lot of contract extensions coming up.

Den pick #20 for bulls 2013 1st and cash?