Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXVII: Offseason Edition)

thelead · Post #1021 » by **thelead** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:39 pm

JarethCutestory wrote:Lol Rudolph and his Monta rumors. Somehow Hennigan and his staff of 1 has leaked that info. Good gravy that guy is an absolute joke and Stephen A wannabe.

He never said it was a rumor. It was just him thinking out loud what the magic "could" do.

Nyce_1 · Post #1022 » by **Nyce_1** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:41 pm

jezzer45 wrote:imo monta is not ideal. to me he basically would be a slightly better version of 09/10 nelson. the magic need a pass first pg and a sg/sf that can create his own shots. also i LOVE the moves henny is making. it just shows how poor of a gm otis really was.

Why can't we have a scoring PG that can get his own shot, as well as create for others, and pair him with a defensive minded SG like Thabo (Liggins)?

blue and white · Post #1023 » by **blue and white** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:43 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
jezzer45 wrote:imo monta is not ideal. to me he basically would be a slightly better version of 09/10 nelson. the magic need a pass first pg and a sg/sf that can create his own shots. also i LOVE the moves henny is making. it just shows how poor of a gm otis really was.

Why can't we have a scoring PG that can get his own shot, as well as create for others, and pair him with a defensive minded SG like Thabo (jeff taylor)?

*Fixed

MoMM · Post #1024 » by **MoMM** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:51 pm

thelead wrote:
MoMM wrote:Does #19+JJ for Monta work in terms of salary? I dont think so.

No, but it wouldn't be too hard to get it to match.

Maybe #19+JJ+Hedo for Monta+Gooden?

dsg2021 · Post #1025 » by **dsg2021** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:55 pm

I feel like the fast pace to which Hennigan let go of most of the FO showed a sense of getting better personnel and a sense of confidence. It was interesting to see Hennigan get a great Asst GM very quickly, when it was sort of a lateral move for Perry. Like wow, of all spots let go... Asst GM is replaced so quickly and very well.. I think it sets the tone for the kind of people and the kind of total FO "process" Hennigan wants, and again, I don't think fans/Magic FO mind being understaffed for a time if it gets the best people in. Perry looks like the new #2 guy in charge of basketball operations.. What a huge upgrade to Twardzik, I liked Perry's drafting in Detroit and the way he seems to value toughness.

On the Rudolph speculation, I hope we do get Monta or even one of Iggy and Gay this summer. I think the reason why is, we won't really hurt or improve our 2013 cap space to go after another FA next summer anyways, if we trade right. JJ and #19 are incredibly great assets for a main offer, and Jameer, Ryan are great S/T'ables if all sides like it. I still have an eye for hopefully getting Chris Paul next summer, or if crazily enough, Deron shows serious interest in Orlando now, so getting Monta now would hurt both those scenarios. Would I pull the trigger on a Monta trade now though? If it still gave the Magic ~15mil in 2013 cap space, they should. We would have a better supporting cast with keeping some good Magic players and space to pick up more players next summer like Iggy, playoff vets, and maybe even a couple young role players. I'm imagining Monta being a much more dangerous go to scorer as he's driving down the court with our shooters on the wings and Dwight down low. And I still see Jameer around as a sort of 6th man and when workable as a small ball lineup, maybe that's something directly expressed to Jameer as he agrees to sign a 4-5 yr Magic deal that's backloaded and fully guaranteed to around 4 mil a year; 3.6 mil for next season. Jameer as a bench force would be lethal and is the exact guy that got BBD going to 19 and 9. Maybe Ryan is still here, maybe Harper surprises and is developed as a starter while BBD gets 28 mpg. Either way, the two non-all star spots would constantly be upgraded through drafting and savvy trading, in this case we'd push for draft steals to start/play alongside Monta/Iggy/Dwight, unless CP3 wants to join Monta/Dwight..

Post #1026 » by **Def Swami** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:56 pm

MoMM wrote:
thelead wrote:
MoMM wrote:Does #19+JJ for Monta work in terms of salary? I dont think so.

No, but it wouldn't be too hard to get it to match.

Maybe #19+JJ+Hedo for Monta+Gooden?

Good deal for both sides.

Post #1027 » by **Def Swami** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:56 pm

Kenny Jones ‏@KJonesSports
Rumor has it the #magic are very involved in free agency and trade talks already.

CourtsideTV · Post #1028 » by **CourtsideTV** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:57 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Kenny Jones ‏@KJonesSports
Rumor has it the #magic are very involved in free agency and trade talks already.

orly?

thelead · Post #1029 » by **thelead** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:57 pm

MoMM wrote:
thelead wrote:
MoMM wrote:Does #19+JJ for Monta work in terms of salary? I dont think so.

No, but it wouldn't be too hard to get it to match.

Maybe #19+JJ+Hedo for Monta+Gooden?

They might take that. Gooden and Hedo cancel each other out money wise.

InFlames · Post #1030 » by **InFlames** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:03 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Kenny Jones ‏@KJonesSports
Rumor has it the #magic are very involved in free agency and trade talks already.

And here we go.

ChildishGambino · Post #1031 » by **ChildishGambino** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:04 am

so are we in full free agency right now? can we make trades/cut/waive etc?

Post #1032 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:05 am

thelead wrote:
MoMM wrote:
thelead wrote:No, but it wouldn't be too hard to get it to match.

Maybe #19+JJ+Hedo for Monta+Gooden?

They might take that. Gooden and Hedo cancel each other out money wise.

Not sure, but I think Gooden has a year more than Hedo? If so, they save money in acquiring Hedo.

LetItRain · Post #1033 » by **LetItRain** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:06 am

Strap it on!

LetItRain · Post #1034 » by **LetItRain** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:06 am

or is it "strap in"?

Nyce_1 · Post #1035 » by **Nyce_1** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:07 am

blue and white wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
jezzer45 wrote:imo monta is not ideal. to me he basically would be a slightly better version of 09/10 nelson. the magic need a pass first pg and a sg/sf that can create his own shots. also i LOVE the moves henny is making. it just shows how poor of a gm otis really was.

Why can't we have a scoring PG that can get his own shot, as well as create for others, and pair him with a defensive minded SG like Thabo (jeff taylor)?

*Fixed

Sold. I like senior players late in the draft because they're solid and can contribute right away.

arsenal6106 · Post #1036 » by **arsenal6106** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:07 am

LetItRain wrote:or is it "strap in"?

Depends what you're in the mood for?

thelead · Post #1037 » by **thelead** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:08 am

Gooden is owed 18 mil over the next 3 years. Hedo is owed 18 mil total if they cut him after next season.

BaunceyChillups · Post #1038 » by **BaunceyChillups** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:17 am

Monta seems like an Otis type of guy, I dunno if an inefficient undersized 2 guard is what Rob has in mind. Then again, I'd trust Rob to do his best in trying to cover for Monta's deficiencies should he get him.

OrlandO · Post #1039 » by **OrlandO** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:18 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Kenny Jones ‏@KJonesSports
Rumor has it the #magic are very involved in free agency and trade talks already.

Why quote a nobody... again?

dsg2021 · Post #1040 » by **dsg2021** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:25 am

BaunceyChillups wrote:Monta seems like an Otis type of guy, I dunno if an inefficient undersized 2 guard is what Rob has in mind. Then again, I'd trust Rob to do his best in trying to cover for Monta's deficiencies should he get him.