Fire Walton

SharoneWright · Post #1 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:11 am

That's 4 of 5 now.

Good-bye.

SharoneWright · Post #2 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:15 am

How many millions of dollars is the rope???

Tyrone Slothrop · Post #3 » by **Tyrone Slothrop** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:18 am

If you're going to start a thread, maybe you could give some sort of explanation of how a pitching coach can be responsible for a pitcher's injury. Not saying it's impossible, but I find it pretty hard to believe.

jaymeister15 · Post #4 » by **jaymeister15** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:19 am

Great thread

SharoneWright · Post #5 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:27 am

This year has been an unmitigated disaster for our starters. 4 of 5 are down.

A Pro Team demands accountability.

Hamyltowne · Post #6 » by **Hamyltowne** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:43 am

Tyrone Slothrop wrote:If you're going to start a thread, maybe you could give some sort of explanation of how a pitching coach can be responsible for a pitcher's injury. Not saying it's impossible, but I find it pretty hard to believe.

He's responsible for their Mechanics!

dballislife · Post #7 » by **dballislife** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:48 am

dont no how much of it caused the injuries but alverez, drabek, and hutch aren't ready for the majors...u can tell they all have the stuff but its not refined and mastered, they're close...if the jays went out and got actual pitchers they wouldn't need 3 guys in their early 20s in the rotation hindering their development

Randle McMurphy · Post #8 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:53 am

Just as dumb as when Arnsberg was blamed for McGowan, Marcum, and Litsch's injuries. Young pitchers get hurt, pitching is unnatural on the arm...that's the way it goes.

RapsFanInVA · Post #9 » by **RapsFanInVA** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:57 am

A thread like this makes me smile. it harkens back to the days on the Raptors board where "Fire Smitch" "Fire Triano" and "Fire BC" appeared once a week after bad things happened.

SharoneWright · Post #10 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:57 am

Ok. That's the way it goes.

And that's exactly why Lind should hit clean-up... 'cause hey, that's the way it goes.

tiger7 · Post #11 » by **tiger7** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:58 am

If your going to fire anyone it may as well be the strength and conditioning coach as it seems he doesn't have his pitchers ready for the rigors of a full season.

guvernator · Post #12 » by **guvernator** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:05 am

I can't understand how George Poulis still has a job when you consider the amount of injuries this team has sustained over the last few years.

If HA has to go under the knife, Walton has to be let go (even if he isn't the culprit) for appearances. Seriously, other than Butter, there isn't much to like about the support staff of this team. Just a terrible job by AA all around in personnel selection.

Hopefully Francona will be still be available at the end of the season because if the season is heading, where I think it is heading, this team will need a new bunch of things.

SharoneWright · Post #13 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:09 am

RapsFanInVA wrote:A thread like this makes me smile. it harkens back to the days on the Raptors board where "Fire Smitch" "Fire Triano" and "Fire BC" appeared once a week after bad things happened.

What side are you on when Romero has to go for TJ surgery next week?

But do keep smiling....

Hamyltowne · Post #14 » by **Hamyltowne** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:09 am

tiger7 wrote:If your going to fire anything it may as well be the strength and conditioning coach as it seems he doesn't have his pitchers ready for the rigors of a full season.

And also Murphy and Farrell... let's fire the lot of them!

On a serious note, is Walton not given credit for Morrow's turnaround season?

RapsFanInVA · Post #15 » by **RapsFanInVA** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:15 am

SharoneWright wrote:
RapsFanInVA wrote:A thread like this makes me smile. it harkens back to the days on the Raptors board where "Fire Smitch" "Fire Triano" and "Fire BC" appeared once a week after bad things happened.

What side are you on when Romero has to go for TJ surgery next week?

The other 4 starters matter too. And the team is way behind the 8-ball now. Pitching is now in tatters.

Smile all the way to 4th place.

4th place with 84 wins is where I pegged us anyway. We just hit a wave of bad luck very quickly. Drabek isn't much of a loss because he has been bad for awhile, Alvarez has been awful too. Morrow's injury thankfully isn't related to his arm, and Hutchison apparently won't need surgery. It's not terribly bleak moving forward to next season when we'll beef up to compete.

RapsFanInVA · Post #16 » by **RapsFanInVA** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:19 am

SharoneWright wrote:
But do keep smiling....

It's a legitimate smile, these kind of threads mean we care! After that apathetic Raptors season I'm looking forward to cheering for a team with actual postseason aspirations. For the Jays, I just don't think it's this year. (But I do have $40 riding on them over 81.5 wins and am praying AA isn't a "seller" at the deadline)

SharoneWright · Post #17 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:22 am

RapsFanInVA wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:
RapsFanInVA wrote:A thread like this makes me smile. it harkens back to the days on the Raptors board where "Fire Smitch" "Fire Triano" and "Fire BC" appeared once a week after bad things happened.

What side are you on when Romero has to go for TJ surgery next week?

The other 4 starters matter too. And the team is way behind the 8-ball now. Pitching is now in tatters.

Smile all the way to 4th place.

4th place with 84 wins is where I pegged us anyway. We just hit a wave of bad luck very quickly. Drabek isn't much of a loss because he has been bad for awhile, Alvarez has been awful too. Morrow's injury thankfully isn't related to his arm, and Hutchison apparently won't need surgery. It's not terribly bleak moving forward to next season when we'll beef up to compete.

I have hope for next season too. You are right - the future is not bleak. And I admit to arguing a stark point of view here --- partially to raise the pressure on our coaching staff.

But,,, If I'm your portfolio manager at an investment firm, and I lost 80% of your value over a few months, it would be proper for me to be released. And I'm not sure why anyone would think I should stay. Forgiveness? Charity?

Regardless, this year's outcomes have been unacceptable.

SharoneWright · Post #18 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:24 am

RapsFanInVA wrote:
SharoneWright wrote: (But I do have $40 riding on them over 81.5 wins and am praying AA isn't a "seller" at the deadline)

Safe bet.

(and i'll cover you if you lose!)

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dagger · Post #19 » by **dagger** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:31 am

tiger7 wrote:If your going to fire anyone it may as well be the strength and conditioning coach as it seems he doesn't have his pitchers ready for the rigors of a full season.

I said a few days ago that the team should have an outsider conduct a "best practices" review of conditonning, warmup, training practices. This is more than bad luck, and teams that have statistically anomalous runs of injuries do seek re-assurance that they aren't doing something that is causing it. I was laughed at for the suggestion, but three elbow injuries in two weeks among five guys, plus Morrow's oblique?

jrsmith · Post #20 » by **jrsmith** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:35 am

If anyone should be blamed for this bad luck it would be AA, for filling out the rotation with young unprepared pitchers, replacing them with young unprepared pitchers and then replacing them with rec league scrubs.