DCZards wrote:The Consiglieri wrote:
GM's have apparently lobotomized themsevles since seeing Barnes measurements and drills at the combine. I cannot believe how thoroughly incompetent, how big a fools these idiots are. 70 games on tape showcasing Barnes disappearing act, indicting him as a soft, disinterested player who contributes very little beyond catching and shooting, and even that no as well as advertised, vanishing everytime UNC ever needed him, and yet the clown is moving up after all that.
Sorry consig but you're dead wrong here. I've seen a lot of UNC games the past 2 years and, while Barnes may have struggled (and indeed disappeared) during the tournament, it's simply not true that he vanished every time UNC needed him. Barnes hit several late-game, clutch shots during his two years as a Tarheel.
I'm not advocating that the Zards draft him, but, let's face it, these GMs know a LOT more about Barnes than any of us do and, I'm certain, they've watched a lot more film of Barnes in recent weeks than anyone on this board has. There's a reason he's still widely considered a top 5-6 talent in this draft despite struggling during the tourney. I want the Zards to draft Beal, but I personally wouldn't be too bummed out if we drafted Barnes ahead of MKG.
I saw him beat my FSU squad with a last second dagger. I've seen him hit a game winning shot. That's not something I'm talking about. To me, showing up when it matters is playing with consistency, being there when teammates go down, being there wen there are issues, when they didn't have quality PG play before they discovered Marshall his freshman year he was having an absolutely miserable season, he couldn't do anything, when Marshall went down in the tourney he couldn't do anything yet again, when Henson went down UNC turned to Zeller, not him. When UNC was struggling in '10-'11 he wasn't a genuine difference maker, could he fill it up from time to time? For sure. Could he kill you with a game winning 3? For sure. But that's not what makes a genuine stud at the NBA level, a genuine stud is a guy who comes out and fights every night, that finds a way to impact a game when his shot isn't falling, that leads, and that is there for you when guys go down. Barnes was never any of that. He'd have his big games here and there, and generally speaking he could be counted on to score the ball when he got open looks, but he was sickeningly inconsistent, and generally ineffective when the lights shined brightest on him and when UNC realy needed him.
I disagree w/you entirely about them knowing a ton more about Barnes than we do. In this day and age they do not. NFL GM's sure, but not NBA nor college, a lot of stuff is hidden on NFL and college tape, stuff you can't see, because the camera isnt on it, etc. You see nearly everything in college ball.
I'd agree with you if Barnes had been sitting at 2-6 evals all year, but he wasn't, he fell like a rock in January-April as he improved not a whit in his sophmore season, and actually looked a bit worse. Barnes climb back up the boards has been accomplished entirely while getting measured, tested, and in workouts when he's not playing in actual games. The actual game tape reveals a guy who can shoot well, and has a real talent for a few particular things, for sure he could be an asset, and I think he has one of the highest floors in the draft outside of probably Davis, Beal and MKG, but his ceiling is very low and we've seen why. I watched Barnes play plenty, and while what I've said may make you think I think he sucks, I don't, what I have been trying to say is that nothing he has done on the court says he's remotely worth where he's been elevated too, and if he does reach the pie in the sky crazy ideas of these GM's, it will be entirely a product of him turning into a totally different player than he ever was in college, because in college he wasn't even a top 20 player this past year.
And for the record, I am a big believer in taking risks on guys with upside who didnt get it done in college for the right reasons. If Quincy Millers knee is okay, and he's doing a good job of rehabbing it, I like him, I like Drummond and PJ3, because i can see the raw tools for success there, though too long of odds to make me comfortable. I see no reason to do such a bet on Barnes because I don't see anything better than merely "good player" upside in him. His mental make up and approach, his production, everything to me screams, role player to above average NBA talent. If he's as good as the combine suggests, why didnt we ever see it on the court? I never saw him show anything deeply impressive with any sort of consistency to speak of in two years, a flash here or there, sure, but nothing to suggest it was his basic approach, and his every day lunch pail persona, they were just flashes whereas the bulk of the film was "meehhhh" rather than flash. I can imagine a scenario where Drummond's a star, if a bit of pain, i can imagine PJ3 getting in the right org and shining, i can see a lot of sketchy types in this draft potentially becoming something special.
I have a real hard time imagining anything of the sort for Barnes. He went to a great school, with a great coach, and good and great players, and after 70 games or so what did we really ever see from the guy? And he went out quiet as a mouse as well.
If we were Portland I'd definitely consider him with a pick, but we aren't, we're at 3, and there's not a chance in hell he's worth the slot. It's horrifying to me that we could be this foolish.
