Poss KOC PG Strategy/ Draft Pick

[carrottop12]

Don't get the fascination with Lillard, he just another chucking pg too me. I mean if we want someone to go out there and shoot till they pass out then just start burks.

You realize he basically shot 47%/41%/89% last year as the only option on a team, and was double teamed most of the time, and still averaged 4 dimes which is solid for a college PG. Yeah it was against weaker competition, but he dominated, just like you would hope.

He's far more of a maker than a chucker. Those numbers are nuts.

I'm going to go ahead and jump on the Lillard bandwagon and say I'd move Sap for him.

I'm a believer in shot makers, and guys with his handle, who can score in the variety of ways that he can will naturally draw attention which opens up shots for other guys. He may not be a Kendall Marshall type passer, but being able to score the ball is just so damn important in today's league, and he can do it in a variety of ways.

[babyjax13]

Don't get the fascination with Lillard, he just another chucking pg too me. I mean if we want someone to go out there and shoot till they pass out then just start burks.

You realize he basically shot 47%/41%/89% last year as the only option on a team, and was double teamed most of the time, and still averaged 4 dimes which is solid for a college PG. Yeah it was against weaker competition, but he dominated, just like you would hope.

He's far more of a maker than a chucker. Those numbers are nuts.

I'm going to go ahead and jump on the Lillard bandwagon and say I'd move Sap for him.

I'm a believer in shot makers, and guys with his handle, who can score in the variety of ways that he can will naturally draw attention which opens up shots for other guys. He may not be a Kendall Marshall type passer, but being able to score the ball is just so damn important in today's league, and he can do it in a variety of ways.

The issue is that even though he scored at will against some teams, when he faced even mediocre competition his numbers dropped quite a bit....He had some terrific performances, but his best were against PSU who has no guard play at all (I think he averaged 36ppg over three games against them...something crazy like that). I would be hesitant drafting him 10-14, but wouldn't be angry if we did; anything higher and I'd be quite scared.

Utah State: 17
St. Mary's: 36
BYU: 15
Cal: 14
Utah: 22
Idaho State: 26
Montana State: 17
Montana: 21
Idaho State: 15
Montana State: 17
Montana: 19
Montana: 29
Utah Valley: 21
Loyola Mary.: 27

[reapaman]

Well we will see because honestly all I see when I watch Lillard is Jerryd Bayless 2.0 who had similar numbers versus much better competition. Yea doing that as the only option in college is nice and all but its college, most guys can't defend period especially the competition he played versus in addition to him being so quick. A college tripple team at his competition level is like one decent nba defender guarding you and I'm not exaggerating at all.

I could be wrong but I serious think those number are gonna have a serious drop in the nba and he's gonna be one of those high 30's to low 40's Fg % shooting pg ala his clone J. Bayless.

[babyjax13]

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That's my thoughts too, but he's athletic enough that if he has the B-Ball IQ for it he could make a nice player.

[Reckless]

finally reapaman is starting to make some sense, except his love affair with Marshall who has no shooting ability and is below average athletically, above average passer but if that's all you want in a lottery pick than you need to revise your draft strategy ASAP!..but he is right on the money about Lilliard who is overrated/overhyped and I hope we stay far far away from him. trading up to 1st round for a PG makes little sense in this draft since you can find a pg in free agency or wait till next year to draft one. this is not the draft to reach for a pg.

[3960HOOD]

I don't think Marshall is a below average athlete..
His combine numbers fairer well..
Marshall - no step vertical - 31 , max vertical 37, lane agility 12.03, 3/4 sprint 3.23.
Lillard - no step vertical - 34.5 , max step 39.5 , lane agility 11.15 , 3/4 sprint 3.34.

He's not super athletic but I think his athleticsm is underrated.

[qman]

I don't think Marshall is a below average athlete..
His combine numbers fairer well..
Marshall - no step vertical - 31 , max vertical 37, lane agility 12.03, 3/4 sprint 3.23.
Lillard - no step vertical - 34.5 , max step 39.5 , lane agility 11.15 , 3/4 sprint 3.34.

He's not super athletic but I think his athleticsm is underrated.

You have to look at the whole picture

Lane Agility notable names
Marshall 12.03
Bogut 12.06
Jeff Green 12.01
Hayward 11.73
Lillard 11.15
Chris Paul 11.09
Westbrooke 10.98
Burks 10.96

You have to take these measurements with a grain of salt. But in grouping people Lillard belongs with the quick guards. Marshall belongs with mobile big men. Maybe he can overcome this but it is a serious issue.

[eLo]

finally reapaman is starting to make some sense, except his love affair with Marshall who has no shooting ability and is below average athletically, above average passer but if that's all you want in a lottery pick than you need to revise your draft strategy ASAP!..but he is right on the money about Lilliard who is overrated/overhyped and I hope we stay far far away from him. trading up to 1st round for a PG makes little sense in this draft since you can find a pg in free agency or wait till next year to draft one. this is not the draft to reach for a pg.

thats not true both Lillard and Marshal would make Jazz team better and for that reason they are worthed to trade for them, plus Marshal is not above average passer but terrific passer and his shooting abilities are not so bad, if he will work hard enough, and he is hard worker, he will became decent shooter

[Lava Rock Kid]

I dont see the Jazz getting a Pick this year, David lock said in his interview that he interviewed a few gms and they said that the jazz counlndt trade jefferson, or harris and get in the first round.

Millsap may bring a late first round pick to the right team.

Even golden states unprotected pick would only bring a 14 or worse pick.

We may get a late first round for kanter. So I dont see a trade for a draft pick worth it.

[The59Sound]

I dont see the Jazz getting a Pick this year, David lock said in his interview that he interviewed a few gms and they said that the jazz counlndt trade jefferson, or harris and get in the first round.

Millsap may bring a late first round pick to the right team.

Even golden states unprotected pick would only bring a 14 or worse pick.

We may get a late first round for kanter. So I dont see a trade for a draft pick worth it.

A late first rounder for Kanter? How late were you thinking?

[Getjazz]

Kanter will make everyone of those GM's eat those words!!!

[eLo]

I dont see the Jazz getting a Pick this year, David lock said in his interview that he interviewed a few gms and they said that the jazz counlndt trade jefferson, or harris and get in the first round.

Millsap may bring a late first round pick to the right team.

Even golden states unprotected pick would only bring a 14 or worse pick.

We may get a late first round for kanter. So I dont see a trade for a draft pick worth it.

that sound like total buls*it, Sap and Enes late 1 rd it's impossible

ok but for now i think our draft strategy should be like that: we should get little higher 2 rd pick to draft English, and in mid 1 rd for Marshall/ top 10 for Lillard. Trading with Rap would be perfect, for they #8 nad 2rd #7, i think we could offer for that-our 2 rd; next draft GSW pick; our 1 rd next draft and exchanged Harris for Calderon, eventually Sap for Davis or Al for Bargnani.

[Hoops Addict]

Millsap may bring a late first round pick to the right team.

We may get a late first round for kanter. So I dont see a trade for a draft pick worth it.

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Lava Rock- Please put down the hookah and stop drinking a case of beer before posting.

Kanter is not getting traded. He will kick ass next year and average 10-10 easily. Portland, Detroit and Sacramento would probably trade their pick for him.

Houston got the 18 for Budinger, so Milsap is way better than him.

Face it.

The price of a first round pick is too high, unless you get the person you want. They only players the Jazz reach for are Barnes or Lillard.

I wish we would have played our rookies more and lost 4 more games. At #8 and #14 we would be looking at getting LAMB and Rivers.

[Reckless]

Why trade Kanter. I can understand trading Jefferson or MIllsap for a high pick but Kanter, no way. He is going to be a double double guy with great defense.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

If we would've gotten the #8 pick, we'd be pretty much guaranteed any of the three out of MKG, Beal or Lillard that we wanted.

[eLo]

If we would've gotten the #8 pick, we'd be pretty much guaranteed any of the three out of MKG, Beal or Lillard that we wanted.

it depend of ptb draft strategy, how much they want Drummond, if they think that Lillard is worthed #6 that would be true, but i dont think that they think so, i guess that they would rather like to pick 6# Drummont/#11Marshal than #6Lillard/#11 Leonard

[Spottieottie]

KOC quotes from beat writers... Classic nothings going to happen quotes.
Brace yourselves accordingly

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

KOC quotes from beat writers... Classic nothings going to happen quotes.
Brace yourselves accordingly

Not buying it for a second. Of course he's going to say that stuff. Can't get everyone's hopes up and then have things fall through.