Discussing Other Teams' Moves

fishercob · Post #1281 » by **fishercob** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:11 pm

Budinger is dirt cheap, but he's only signed for a year and then I believe he's unrestricted. So that's kind of a weird use of the pick unless Minnesota just loves him and is prepared to extend him right away.

closg00 · Post #1282 » by **closg00** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:55 pm

Minny going-in for win-now also. Also shows you how-much of a bust Wes Johnson turned-out to be.
Damn, what a deal for Houston.

FAH1223 · Post #1283 » by **FAH1223** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:47 pm

The Rockets have offered Kyle Lowry along with the No. 14 and No. 16 picks to the Kings in exchange for Tyreke Evans and the No. 5 pick.

Sacramento is currently deciding whether to accept the offer.

Via Jonathan Givony/DraftExpress (via Twitter)

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1284 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:06 pm

The Kings are happy with Isaiah Thomas, their PG picked last year. They don't get a big boost from Lowry, but he is a good veteran starter and Thomas can come off the bench. The Sacramento has a solid starter at SG in Thornton.

This seems like a good deal for Sacto because they don't want to have to re-sign Evans.

Halcyon · Post #1285 » by **Halcyon** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:24 pm

This is interesting, seems like Rockets are set to go with Dragic instead of Lowry. If this deal goes through, I assume this also means that Evans is going to play one of the wing positions. Which leaves the question of, would they use the #5 pick on a wing player (Barnes?) or reach for a bigman (Drummond). If they decide to go with a wing, Martin might be up for grabs.

Post #1286 » by **miller31time** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:28 pm

So are the Rockets shopping Kevin Martin? Both he and Evans play the same position (though I guess Evans is more of a combo guard)?

If this trade goes down, Ernie needs to be on the phone ASAP offering Emeka for Martin.

closg00 · Post #1287 » by **closg00** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:29 pm

Hell-yeah, SAC should jump all-over that trade unless they want Drummond

Post #1288 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:30 pm

Houston's end game is to trade Evans AND Martin plus the 5th pick and I believe 18 to Orlando for Dwight.

Post #1289 » by **nate33** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:49 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Houston's end game is to trade Evans AND Martin plus the 5th pick and I believe 18 to Orlando for Dwight.

That won't work unless it's a simultaneous 3-way trade. They can't acquire Evans from Sacramento, and then some period of time later, trade him for Howard. Also, I'm not sure why Howard would go to Houston if they were without Martin and Lowry.

Post #1290 » by **nate33** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:51 pm

miller31time wrote:So are the Rockets shopping Kevin Martin? Both he and Evans play the same position (though I guess Evans is more of a combo guard)?

If this trade goes down, Ernie needs to be on the phone ASAP offering Emeka for Martin.

+1

Okafor for KMartin would be so perfect for us. Then draft either Beal or MKG and resign James Singleton and we'd be set.

pancakes3 · Post #1291 » by **pancakes3** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:58 pm

i think we'd have to sweeten the pot a fair bit more from a talent perspective.

mohammed10 · Post #1292 » by **mohammed10** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:31 pm

nate33 wrote:
miller31time wrote:So are the Rockets shopping Kevin Martin? Both he and Evans play the same position (though I guess Evans is more of a combo guard)?

If this trade goes down, Ernie needs to be on the phone ASAP offering Emeka for Martin.

+1

Okafor for KMartin would be so perfect for us. Then draft either Beal or MKG and resign James Singleton and we'd be set.

....but nate (and miller), that makes too much sense for Emperor Ernie to pull it off

:roll:

tontoz · Post #1293 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:54 pm

fishercob wrote:Budinger is dirt cheap, but he's only signed for a year and then I believe he's unrestricted. So that's kind of a weird use of the pick unless Minnesota just loves him and is prepared to extend him right away.

I have no clue what Minny is thinking here. Looks like a dumb move.

Post #1294 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:55 pm

nate33 wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Houston's end game is to trade Evans AND Martin plus the 5th pick and I believe 18 to Orlando for Dwight.

That won't work unless it's a simultaneous 3-way trade. They can't acquire Evans from Sacramento, and then some period of time later, trade him for Howard. Also, I'm not sure why Howard would go to Houston if they were without Martin and Lowry.

Maybe Houston also clears enough space to sign Deron Williams. That's the only thing I can think of.

Post #1295 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:12 pm

Houston trades: Martin, Dalembert, Lowry, 14, 16, 18
Houston receives: Howard and Turkgolu

Sacramento trades: Evans, Garcia, and 5
Sacramento receives: Lowry, 14, 16

Orlando trades: Howard and Turkgolu
Orlando receives: Martin, Dalembert, Evans, Garcia, 5, 18

TRADE ID 6105744

The Rockets try to make a run with Howard and convince him to stay. The Kings save money and get a true PG. Orlando gets a few starters and picks for a guy who wants out.

Nivek · Post #1296 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:12 pm

tontoz wrote:
fishercob wrote:Budinger is dirt cheap, but he's only signed for a year and then I believe he's unrestricted. So that's kind of a weird use of the pick unless Minnesota just loves him and is prepared to extend him right away.

I have no clue what Minny is thinking here. Looks like a dumb move.

I disagree. Budinger is a solid pro who's both athletic and can shoot the 3 effectively. Plus, he's a SF, which they need. The guys projected to go in that 18 range are uninspiring. It's a good bet that Budinger will be better over the next 4 years than any of the guys they'd have been likely to take at 18. He's also likely to be more expensive, but I suspect they'll be able to sign him at a manageable price.

It's not a homerun for Minnesota, but I think they're getting good value for that pick.

I'll be interested to see what Houston does. They now have 14, 16 and 18. They could pick up some good players there, or use them to make more trades. I don't think they're done yet.

tontoz · Post #1297 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:29 pm

Nivek wrote:
tontoz wrote:
fishercob wrote:Budinger is dirt cheap, but he's only signed for a year and then I believe he's unrestricted. So that's kind of a weird use of the pick unless Minnesota just loves him and is prepared to extend him right away.

I have no clue what Minny is thinking here. Looks like a dumb move.

I disagree. Budinger is a solid pro who's both athletic and can shoot the 3 effectively. Plus, he's a SF, which they need. The guys projected to go in that 18 range are uninspiring. It's a good bet that Budinger will be better over the next 4 years than any of the guys they'd have been likely to take at 18. He's also likely to be more expensive, but I suspect they'll be able to sign him at a manageable price.

It's not a homerun for Minnesota, but I think they're getting good value for that pick.

I'll be interested to see what Houston does. They now have 14, 16 and 18. They could pick up some good players there, or use them to make more trades. I don't think they're done yet.

Budingers ability isn't the issue. His contract status as a UFA next summer is the issue. He is unlikely to command more than the MLE and it isn't like Minny is a preferred free agent destination. Looks like they gave up the 18th pick for a 1 year rental.

tontoz · Post #1298 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:34 pm

Nivek · Post #1299 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:37 pm

a) It's distinctly possible they'll get more from Budinger in one year than they'll get in 3-4 years of the guy they'd pick at 18.

b) Budinger will be a restricted free agent next offseason. If they want him, Minnesota will be able to keep him.

tontoz · Post #1300 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:42 pm

Nivek wrote:a) It's distinctly possible they'll get more from Budinger in one year than they'll get in 3-4 years of the guy they'd pick at 18.

b) Budinger will be a restricted free agent next offseason. If they want him, Minnesota will be able to keep him.

How is he restricted? He was a second round pick.

Edit: Now i see what is going on. I thought second round picks had deals only lasting 2 years. I didn't know he was still on his rookie deal.