Discussing Other Teams' Moves

[Nivek]

No worries. I mean, it's not like it's great for Minnesota, but it's fair value for the 18th pick.

[tontoz]

No worries. I mean, it's not like it's great for Minnesota, but it's fair value for the 18th pick.

I would take him over Ariza, even assuming equal salaries.

I wonder if they will just decline to pick up Wes' option. He sucks.

[LyricalRico]

The scuttlebutt is Orlando may be on the brink of trading all-world center Dwight Howard.

A slew of teams are interested in taking Howard off the Magic’s hands, including Portland and Houston .

Portland is in position to offer the Magic their two top 10 draft picks — Nos. 6 and 11 — along with a couple of players.

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/bask ... f887a.html

Wow, hadn't considered Portland to be in the running for Dwight Howard. If they did like we did in the Hinrich trade (agree on draft night, but make it official after July 1), they could offer 6+11 (and future picks if needed) and absorb Howard's entire contract. After Crawford opts out and even with Batum's cap hold, by my calculations they would still have around $8M in cap space to add other players. My understanding is that they can then go over the cap to re-sign Batum.

Would Nash go there?

Howard
Aldridge
Batum
Matthews
Nash

[mohammed10]

The scuttlebutt is Orlando may be on the brink of trading all-world center Dwight Howard.

A slew of teams are interested in taking Howard off the Magic’s hands, including Portland and Houston .

Portland is in position to offer the Magic their two top 10 draft picks — Nos. 6 and 11 — along with a couple of players.

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/bask ... f887a.html

Wow, hadn't considered Portland to be in the running for Dwight Howard. If they did like we did in the Hinrich trade (agree on draft night, but make it official after July 1), they could offer 6+11 (and future picks if needed) and absorb Howard's entire contract. After Crawford opts out and even with Batum's cap hold, by my calculations they would still have around $8M in cap space to add other players. My understanding is that they can then go over the cap to re-sign Batum.

Would Nash go there?

Howard
Aldridge
Batum
Matthews
Nash

Wow - that would be an impressive starting 5...maybe enough to give OKC some concern out west

[Ruzious]

I always thought ChaseBud was underrated. 3's who can shoot 3's and have good offensive BBIQ's are surprisingly hard to find. And he's not such a stiff that you can't hide his defensive weaknesses in a good defensive scheme. Minny has surely sorely needed a 2/3 who can shoot like him for forever.

[LyricalRico]

I always thought ChaseBud was underrated. 3's who can shoot 3's and have good offensive BBIQ's are surprisingly hard to find. And he's not such a stiff that you can't hide his defensive weaknesses in a good defensive scheme. Minny has surely sorely needed a 2/3 who can shoot like him for forever.

Agree that this move fills a need for the Wolves. I think the next step is to get a slasher/scorer on the wing to pair with him. DWill+filler for Iggy? Philly needs a longterm replacement for Brand.

[Nivek]

I always thought ChaseBud was underrated. 3's who can shoot 3's and have good offensive BBIQ's are surprisingly hard to find. And he's not such a stiff that you can't hide his defensive weaknesses in a good defensive scheme. Minny has surely sorely needed a 2/3 who can shoot like him for forever.

Agree that this move fills a need for the Wolves. I think the next step is to get a slasher/scorer on the wing to pair with him. DWill+filler for Iggy? Philly needs a longterm replacement for Brand.

That'd be a nice deal for both teams.

Some team should come up with a way to pick up Beasley on the cheap. Then install him at PF and give him a year to see if he can regain what he showed in his year at Kansas State. Charlotte and Phoenix come to mind as good spots. I think he wasn't ready for a switch to SF and would benefit from moving back inside. He has solid size for a PF, and he'd be an above average athlete for a PF instead of only about average at SF.

[LyricalRico]

Rockets trade: Martin, Scola, Dalembert, Lowry, 14+16+18
Rockets receive: Howard, Turkgolu, and Duhon

Magic trade: Howard, Turkgolu, JRich
Magic receive: Martin, Dalembert, Lowry, Iguodala, and 14+16+18

Sixers trade: Iguodala
Sixers receive: Scola and JRich

TRADE ID 6105982

Houston takes a risk with Howard and gambles that they will be able to sign a FA to pair with him. Orlando gets starters and picks for Howard. Philly gets a frontcourt scorer and an athletic wing shooter.

[fishercob]

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Detroit has traded Ben Gordon and a protected future first-round pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette, league sources tell Y! Sports.

Detroit starting to buy themselves out of their terrible cap situation. Painful for them to be giving up any future picks, given that they're not very good.

I wonder if this tips CHA's hadn at all in the draft. Does trading their starting SF make them any more likely to take Kidd-Gilchrist?

Can't say this helps CHA on the court much at all, but they pick up an asset which they desperately need.

[MF23]

It makes it less likely they take Beal obviously. They need Gordon's scoring punch but he ain't enough to take MKG. Still think Robinson's their guy.

[TGW]

LOL that's an infinitely better move than Lewis for Ariza/Okafor. The Wizards needed a shooter badly, and could have used Gordon, and they could have gotten a pick as well.

Jeezus H. I cannot stand our incompetent front office.....

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[Rafael122]

Ben Gordon has one of the worse contracts in the NBA. He's also undersized and no better than Jordan Crawford who makes $11 million less.

Detroit makes out like bandits here, they still have the amnesty they could use on Charlie V and get out of Ben's contract. Corey's an expiring.

[TGW]

Ben Gordon has one of the worse contracts in the NBA. He's also undersized and no better than Jordan Crawford who makes $11 million less.

Detroit makes out like bandits here, they still have the amnesty they could use on Charlie V and get out of Ben's contract. Corey's an expiring.

That's funny. Ariza/Okafor are two of the worst contracts in the league, and we got NOTHING for them. At least Charlotte got a pick....we gave up a freakin' pick LMAO.

[Rafael122]

Ben Gordon has one of the worse contracts in the NBA. He's also undersized and no better than Jordan Crawford who makes $11 million less.

Detroit makes out like bandits here, they still have the amnesty they could use on Charlie V and get out of Ben's contract. Corey's an expiring.

That's funny. Ariza/Okafor are two of the worst contracts in the league, and we got NOTHING for them. At least Charlotte got a pick....we gave up a freakin' pick LMAO.

....Charlotte got a first round pick that probably won't be available to them until 2016. Seriously?

[TGW]

Ben Gordon has one of the worse contracts in the NBA. He's also undersized and no better than Jordan Crawford who makes $11 million less.

Detroit makes out like bandits here, they still have the amnesty they could use on Charlie V and get out of Ben's contract. Corey's an expiring.

That's funny. Ariza/Okafor are two of the worst contracts in the league, and we got NOTHING for them. At least Charlotte got a pick....we gave up a freakin' pick LMAO.

....Charlotte got a first round pick that probably won't be available to them until 2016. Seriously?

That's still a helluva lot better than giving up a pick to absorb two terrible contracts.

Making a trade like that, or better yet, DOING NOTHING would have been better options.

[tontoz]

Ben Gordon has one of the worse contracts in the NBA. He's also undersized and no better than Jordan Crawford who makes $11 million less.

Huh? His contract is less than Okafor's and a far better shooter than Crawford.

Obviously there is no way the Wizards would have traded for him if they are targeting Beal.

[TGW]

FYI the Bobcats were possibly going to be under the salary floor next season, so this was money they had to spend just to reach the floor.

Nice GM'ing by Cho and Jordan. We officially have the worst FO in the our division.

[verbal8]

Ben Gordon has one of the worse contracts in the NBA. He's also undersized and no better than Jordan Crawford who makes $11 million less.

Detroit makes out like bandits here, they still have the amnesty they could use on Charlie V and get out of Ben's contract. Corey's an expiring.

That's funny. Ariza/Okafor are two of the worst contracts in the league, and we got NOTHING for them. At least Charlotte got a pick....we gave up a freakin' pick LMAO.

....Charlotte got a first round pick that probably won't be available to them until 2016. Seriously?

A mid-lotto pick(only top 8 protected) in 2014 would have been a great asset for the Wizards. The Wizards may have been able to shift the pick up a year or added a second if it was pure cap space.

[Rafael122]

We're over analyzing a minuscule trade. This by no means pushes the needle to any direction. It was a trade just to make a trade, Detroit saves money, Charlotte gets a lottery pick in 4 years.

[Hoopalotta]

Can't say this helps CHA on the court much at all, but they pick up an asset which they desperately need.

On the court, Gordon can help Bryon's Mullet grow to its full potential.

Really, this is an excellent deal for Charlotte. $14,5 million for two years of Lil' Ben is not much beyond market rate and you've got what's most likely a middle rounder or late lottery pick with a lowish percent chance at a golden ticket in there as a bonus. With Maggette outbound!

They might be able to go full on "Hinrich - stage 2" on this one as well as I could see Ben with some value at the deadline if they're willing to take back salary.

I don't think it would have been possible for us to make this exact trade given the salary and our lack of enough space or an expiring, but waiting until it happened could have potentially helped our leverage with New Orleans if that was what we wanted to do.