2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

MikeTheKid · Post #241 » by **MikeTheKid** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:23 pm

FAH1223 wrote:We have Ernie, remember? It won't go down that way. He will take Harrison Barnes at #3 on Thursday night. I'd bet everything I own on that prospect. Mark it down, nate. Barnes is our SG next year.

sfam · Post #242 » by **sfam** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:24 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Latest rumor is Cleveland is offering #4, #24 and #34 for the #2 pick.

I think it almost makes sense to trade out. Ernie and his scouts are banking on MKG never finding his shots, so trade down, possibly get Barnes at 6? Or somewhere around that range.

I'd take that deal from Cleveland. Forget trading down to the 6th, lets stay at the #4 and take MKG.

sfam · Post #243 » by **sfam** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:26 pm

tontoz wrote::eek1: @ WizD's tiers. Wow

Personally, I'm blown away by his 3rd tier players.

sfam · Post #244 » by **sfam** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:30 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:We have Ernie, remember? It won't go down that way. He will take Harrison Barnes at #3 on Thursday night. I'd bet everything I own on that prospect. Mark it down, nate. Barnes is our SG next year.

I get the lost faith in EG, but he's not always horrid beyond words. On this board, EG has long become a caricature of an out of touch Dilbert-boss like GM. This is hardly reality. Certainly I hope FAH doesn't bet everything he owns.

sfam · Post #245 » by **sfam** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:39 pm

Seriously, if we think its a high probability that Cleveland offers 3 picks to get to #2, we should offer to take just the #24 off their hands, and trade picks. We'll end up with the same player, but will be up a first round selection. Perhaps we can even parlay our #32 and #24 to get in the teens to get Ross.

MikeTheKid · Post #246 » by **MikeTheKid** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:40 pm

sfam wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Latest rumor is Cleveland is offering #4, #24 and #34 for the #2 pick.

I think it almost makes sense to trade out. Ernie and his scouts are banking on MKG never finding his shots, so trade down, possibly get Barnes at 6? Or somewhere around that range.

I'd take that deal from Cleveland. Forget trading down to the 6th, lets stay at the #4 and take MKG.

If we made that trade I would put 34 and Blatche to anybody willing to take it since we already have 32 as well unless we can snag something for Ross maybe the 24 and 34 to HOU at 16 for Terrence Ross

mohammed10 · Post #247 » by **mohammed10** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:51 pm

nuposse04 wrote:
I expect them all to play defense well enough. MKG might become all NBA type on defense. I have my doubts about Barnes, the way he plays the game doesn't scream quickness, and if he seems lackadaisical sometimes on the offensive side, I have my doubts about his defensive intensity.

Interesting. Would you say that he would be a poor man's Rudy Gay?

mohammed10 · Post #248 » by **mohammed10** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:52 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
We have Ernie, remember? It won't go down that way. He will take Harrison Barnes at #3 on Thursday night. I'd bet everything I own on that prospect. Mark it down, nate. Barnes is our SG next year.

Dear God, no....I hope that you are wrong (or don't own a lot)

:pray:

mohammed10 · Post #249 » by **mohammed10** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:54 pm

sfam wrote:
I'd take that deal from Cleveland. Forget trading down to the 6th, lets stay at the #4 and take MKG.

Just wanted to point out that Washington picks 3rd, not 4th...

Wizardspride · Post #250 » by **Wizardspride** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:58 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
sfam wrote:
I'd take that deal from Cleveland. Forget trading down to the 6th, lets stay at the #4 and take MKG.

Just wanted to point out that Washington picks 3rd, not 4th...

He's talking about swapping picks with Cleveland.

nuposse04 · Post #251 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:58 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
I expect them all to play defense well enough. MKG might become all NBA type on defense. I have my doubts about Barnes, the way he plays the game doesn't scream quickness, and if he seems lackadaisical sometimes on the offensive side, I have my doubts about his defensive intensity.

Interesting. Would you say that he would be a poor man's Rudy Gay?

I didn't see a lot of memphis' games this season, but when i did get a chance to watch em, I was actually satisfied with his D. I think his athleticism helps him a lot in that department. Rudy's problem is that he falls in love with the fact he can get a shot off anyone rather than driving to the rim. If we take barnes, my hope for him is rather like granger than Gay. I don't know what the advance stats say about Gay's defense but I thought he did a good job of providing weak side help, playing the passing lanes and what not. We could lead the league in forced turnovers next year with our length.

mohammed10 · Post #252 » by **mohammed10** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:05 pm

nuposse04 wrote:
I didn't see a lot of memphis' games this season, but when i did get a chance to watch em, I was actually satisfied with his D. I think his athleticism helps him a lot in that department. Rudy's problem is that he falls in love with the fact he can get a shot off anyone rather than driving to the rim. If we take barnes, my hope for him is rather like granger than Gay. I don't know what the advance stats say about Gay's defense but I thought he did a good job of providing weak side help, playing the passing lanes and what not. We could lead the league in forced turnovers next year with our length.

Fair assessment. I suspect Barnes is more of a team player than Gay (and despite his draft express measurements, likely not as uber-athletic). While many on this board are anti-Barnes, I think he will be a solid pro - better pro than college type. I wouldn't be upset if Emperor Ernie traded back to say 5 or 6 and grabbed him - assuming Beal is off the board at 3.

sfam · Post #253 » by **sfam** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:09 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
sfam wrote:
I'd take that deal from Cleveland. Forget trading down to the 6th, lets stay at the #4 and take MKG.

Just wanted to point out that Washington picks 3rd, not 4th...

My point was lets make the trade with Cleveland instead of having the Cats do it.

The Consiglieri · Post #254 » by **The Consiglieri** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:11 pm

Nivek wrote:Picking Beal would not necessarily be need over best player. In my analysis, Beal and MKG are equals. Picking the guy who fits best with the roster would make sense.

At this point Beal appears to be #2 on so many peoples boards (according to the rumors swirling) that I wouldn't view it as a need pick anymroe. Depending upon the team, it appears Beal, MKG, or Robinson is seen as the #2. None of them are a consensus 2, though it seems as if Beal may be most frequently listed at #2 among all the teams.

Beal wouldn't be a need reach at this team, only Barnes would be a reach at 3.

truwizfan4evr · Post #255 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:14 pm

I really hope cavs dont move up at number 2 I'm almost certain wizards taking Barnes even if MKG is left on the board. :cry:

truwizfan4evr · Post #256 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:18 pm

Unless the Wizards pull off another pre-draft deal before Thursday's selection shindig in Newark, local eyes and ears are focused on all news centering on one Bradley Beal. Well, Beal and rumored plans for the potential fly in the ointment Charlotte Bobcats.

Knowing that the New Orleans Hornets will select Anthony Davis at No. 1, the Wizards potential acquisition of the Florida wing guard likely comes down to what happens next. Yesterday in this space, I wrote about the logic behind the woeful Bobcats reportedly looking to trade down from their current perch with the No. 2 overall pick.

Apparently new Bobcats coach Mike Dunlap is down with such logic.

Dunlap told the Associated Press the idea of trading down to acquire extra picks for the Bobcats youthful roster "makes a lot of sense."

Should Charlotte keep the No. 2 pick, Dunlap's take on what he sees as the Bobcats primary need won't make Wizards fans any less antsy about Beal becoming a Chinatown fixture.

"The ability to make the three is important because it allows you to play inside the 3-point line," Dunlap said. "What happens is a defense collapses and it gets crowded in there. I would say that is safe to say that we need to do that. And we need to do a better job with our spacing, too. But as far as the roster goes it's always nice to have guys who can shoot a basketball."

My take on the Bobcats choice at two - as discussed in detail on my latest podcast for FFToolbox - has been Charlotte goes for the energetic and upside power forward from Kansas, a.k.a. Thomas Robinson. Could they instead go for backcourt with Beal? Sure. Again, they need everything.

The Wizards need one thing, in a current depth chart sort of way: a backcourt perimeter shooter. Beal is the obvious fit. With the third overall pick, he might be the only one. Maybe that is why talk of the Wizards becoming the Bobcats trading partner with the No. 32 selection as bait is apparently out there, according to ESPN's Chad Ford.

"With John Wall running the point, that leaves them with one big hole: at the 2. I think this makes Beal a no-brainer for the Wizards, who are lacking a lights-out perimeter shooter. He's a perfect fit for this new roster. And if the Wizards believe they are in danger of losing Beal, don't be surprised if they offer the Bobcats the No. 32 pick to move up one spot."

If the Wizards still had their other second round pick - No. 46 went in the Rashard Lewis trade - they could target a reserve point guard, a frontcourt shooter or whatever they desired and still send 32 to the Bobcats. If needed, that is.

Granted, all the NBA talk is just that, talk of the bluffing kind. Maybe the Bobcats do not really want to deal down (but they do and should). Maybe the Wizards are content with any option at three (but they shouldn't) and will not be bullied into parting with another second rounder no matter Beal's fit.

With the way the draft board and their depth chart sits, logic suggests the Wizards may have little choice but to take a stand. Forget pride - if they believe Beal is the real deal, then (if needed) ship 3 and 32 for Beal. If right, that's a steal.

sfam · Post #257 » by **sfam** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:19 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:I really hope cavs dont move up at number 2 I'm almost certain wizards taking Barnes even if MKG is left on the board.

Why? What makes you certain? If anything, EG's pattern is to take the better athlete with more upside, even if he can't hit the ocean from a row boat. MKG is the better athlete with the greater upside. Barnes is the more polished athlete without as high an upside. What other pick has EG made that looks like this?

truwizfan4evr · Post #258 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:20 pm

Would anyone consider moving up to snatch Beal even if it means giving up are second round pick?

truwizfan4evr · Post #259 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:22 pm

sfam wrote:
truwizfan4evr wrote:I really hope cavs dont move up at number 2 I'm almost certain wizards taking Barnes even if MKG is left on the board.

Why? What makes you certain? If anything, EG's pattern is to take the better athlete with more upside, even if he can't hit the ocean from a row boat. MKG is the better athlete with the greater upside. Barnes is the more polished athlete without as high an upside. What other pick has EG made that looks like this?

Barnes just seem like a Ernie type person. I had this feeling all year we come out with Barnes.

J-Ves · Post #260 » by **J-Ves** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:24 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:Would anyone consider moving up to snatch Beal even if it means giving up are second round pick?

I would, maybe even throw in Booker while I'm at it.

But seriously all EG needs to do is call up the cats and tell them if they swap with Cleveland, the Wiz will take TRob(who seems to be their guy). Unfortunately it will be easier to call our bluff after the okafor/ariza trade, but its worth a shot.