2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

[tontoz]

Would anyone consider moving up to snatch Beal even if it means giving up are second round pick?

I would. Most second round picks don't stick anyway. It is important to get the guy you want when you are picking this high.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Ok, I'm now worried. I expect Cleveland to move up to 2 and take Beal now.

Ernie completely botched this draft and it hasn't even happened yet!

Before that trade, most writers and mocks I saw predicted the Wiz taking MKG. After the trade EVERYONE is assuming the Wizards have targeted Beal.

[mohammed10]

I'd take that deal from Cleveland. Forget trading down to the 6th, lets stay at the #4 and take MKG.

Just wanted to point out that Washington picks 3rd, not 4th...

My point was lets make the trade with Cleveland instead of having the Cats do it.

Got it...my bad

[Wallbeliever]

If Beal is gone at the 3 pick we need to hope EG is looking at MKG. With 2 days to go until the draft you have to assume most of the rumors we hear are just that, rumors. Ted has been pretty open about keeping the pick so I assume that means MKG or Barnes if option A is unavailable. I dont put a lot of stock into picking up Gasol or another veteran on the downside of their career.

MKG is a solid pick, Barnes is a question mark mainly because you would want a higher upside in a top 3 selection. Unfortunately it all goes back to the poor trade with NOH. I do not believe CLE would be as agressive to move up 2 spots if we hadnt shown our hand.

Im horrified that we made a trade 8 days before the draft when we spent the last 3 years building flexibility for strong drafts or free agency periods. That we didnt even allow ourselves the opportunity to see what the flexibility could bring us seems foolish. I bet that the NOH trade would have still been available 8 days later and we probably could have gotten NOH to add sweetner, not us throwing in #46.

Not only did we telegraph our pick of Beal but we could be facing a situation in which we have to give up additional assets to get Beal if its determined he is to good to miss out on.

Hopefully Beal is available at #3, if not im in agreement with most on this board, take MKG and grab a another wing with the #32 pick. I would not throw in Booker or 32 to move up 1 spot.

[tontoz]

Would anyone consider moving up to snatch Beal even if it means giving up are second round pick?

I would, maybe even throw in Booker while I'm at it.

But seriously all EG needs to do is call up the cats and tell them if they swap with Cleveland, the Wiz will take TRob(who seems to be their guy). Unfortunately it will be easier to call our bluff after the okafor/ariza trade, but its worth a shot.

Or trade down with a team who does want TRob.

[sfam]

I really hope cavs dont move up at number 2 I'm almost certain wizards taking Barnes even if MKG is left on the board.

Why? What makes you certain? If anything, EG's pattern is to take the better athlete with more upside, even if he can't hit the ocean from a row boat. MKG is the better athlete with the greater upside. Barnes is the more polished athlete without as high an upside. What other pick has EG made that looks like this?

Barnes just seem like a Ernie type person. I had this feeling all year we come out with Barnes.

But why does he seem like an Ernie type person? Ernie isn't big on polished players - he goes for athletes with potential. If past is prolog, EG is FAR more likely to choose MKG. I just don't see any pattern which leads me to believe Barnes is an Ernie type player.

[closg00]

Please forward this scouts take on Barnes to the Wizards (The other quick-takes are good also)

Harrison Barnes, 6-8 forward, North Carolina: "I can't figure him out. I want him to be better than he is, yet what he is is pretty good. His biggest problem is he doesn't have enough toughness. This is a man's league and I don't know for sure if he's the type of guy who will step on you when you're down."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... nba_t11_a0

[sfam]

Would anyone consider moving up to snatch Beal even if it means giving up are second round pick?

I would, maybe even throw in Booker while I'm at it.

But seriously all EG needs to do is call up the cats and tell them if they swap with Cleveland, the Wiz will take TRob(who seems to be their guy). Unfortunately it will be easier to call our bluff after the okafor/ariza trade, but its worth a shot.

The only way this makes sense is if you have Beal far far above MKG. I just don't see that. Just because he fits a need today is no reason to make a 10 year decision on him that involves sacrificing a solid player and high second.

[LyricalRico]

I'm starting to lean away from MKG after hearing a few people on the radio doubt his star potenttial and think he might be a glorified role player. More people seem to think Barnes has more upside.

If Beal is gone at 2, and we can trade down to the 5-7 range while dumping Blatche and still getting Barnes or Waiters (plus whatever other value we extract in the deal), I think the Wiz have to think hard about doing that.

[sfam]

Ok, I'm now worried. I expect Cleveland to move up to 2 and take Beal now.

Ernie completely botched this draft and it hasn't even happened yet!

Before that trade, most writers and mocks I saw predicted the Wiz taking MKG. After the trade EVERYONE is assuming the Wizards have targeted Beal.

Agreed. You gotta wonder why it was necessary for the Wizards to make that trade prior to the draft. I don't see how this helps them at all.

[Dat2U]

David Locke‏@Lockedonsports

On Average Draft will get you 1 All-Pro; 2 more all-stars; 7 additional starters and 11 other rotation players - 21 impact players

[Wallbeliever]

I'm starting to lean away from MKG after hearing a few people on the radio doubt his star potenttial and think he might be a glorified role player. More people seem to think Barnes has more upside.

If Beal is gone at 2, and we can trade down to the 5-7 range while dumping Blatche and still getting Barnes or Waiters (plus whatever other value we extract in the deal), I think the Wiz have to think hard about doing that.

If we turn the #3 pick into Waiters we have done ourselves a seriuos injustice. Blatche can be amnestied, why do we need to lose assets to get rid of Blatche.

[Ruzious]

I never bought into the possibility that Beal wouldn't be there at 3, but now I'm starting to see it as a viable possibility. I'd be too stubborn to trade up 1 pick. I'd go with MKG and hire his own full-time personal jump-shooting coach. In the meantime, I'd have long ago hired one for Wall. Give a big bonus to those coaches if their students do well. I would not settle for HarBar.

[truwizfan4evr]

Well Sfam....... If Beal is gone i expect Barnes to be the next option base on needs. Ernie made that trade witch scares me. Its almost like Ernie trying to win now and he knows his job Depends on it. I have a feeling instead of going after the better player in the long run he goes with the safe pick in Barnes with less upside then MKG.

[80sballboy]

Please forward this scouts take on Barnes to the Wizards (The other quick-takes are good also)

Harrison Barnes, 6-8 forward, North Carolina: "I can't figure him out. I want him to be better than he is, yet what he is is pretty good. His biggest problem is he doesn't have enough toughness. This is a man's league and I don't know for sure if he's the type of guy who will step on you when you're down."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... nba_t11_a0

I've been saying that since his freshman year.

[KevinFCheng]

Just take Beal or MKG, whoever's left. Can't overthink this.

[nate33]

I'd take that deal from Cleveland. Forget trading down to the 6th, lets stay at the #4 and take MKG.

Just wanted to point out that Washington picks 3rd, not 4th...

My point was lets make the trade with Cleveland instead of having the Cats do it.

Yeah. If Cleveland is willing to trade #4 + #24 + #34 for #2; let's take that same deal. In theory, it would be better for Cleveland to draft Beal at #3 rather than #2 because his salary would be smaller.

We could then see if we can package the #24 + #32 for a pick in the teens and still pick up Crowder at #34.

[sfam]

I'm starting to lean away from MKG after hearing a few people on the radio doubt his star potenttial and think he might be a glorified role player. More people seem to think Barnes has more upside.

If Beal is gone at 2, and we can trade down to the 5-7 range while dumping Blatche and still getting Barnes or Waiters (plus whatever other value we extract in the deal), I think the Wiz have to think hard about doing that.

You only do this if you honestly believe there are no other all-stars in this draft. Otherwise, you draft who you think will be all-star calibur. I think people are over-analyzing MKG and dropping him lower without real basis. On tape, he's pretty awesome, especially if he fixes his shot. I don't see that with Barnes. I would far prefer a player like MKG who's mental makeup is all-star calibur vice an athlete who can shoot but is mentally weak.

[sfam]

Well Sfam....... If Beal is gone i expect Barnes to be the next option base on needs. Ernie made that trade witch scares me. Its almost like Ernie trying to win now and he knows his job Depends on it. I have a feeling instead of going after the better player in the long run he goes with the safe pick in Barnes with less upside then MKG.

Has there been any instance where EG has done that in the draft that you can think of? If so, we would have never drafted Vesely last year, for instance, or Booker, or Pech or McGee, etc.

[nate33]

Would anyone consider moving up to snatch Beal even if it means giving up are second round pick?

I would, maybe even throw in Booker while I'm at it.

But seriously all EG needs to do is call up the cats and tell them if they swap with Cleveland, the Wiz will take TRob(who seems to be their guy). Unfortunately it will be easier to call our bluff after the okafor/ariza trade, but its worth a shot.

Or trade down with a team who does want TRob.

Good call. They definitely should leak something to this effect: "We believe TRob is one of the top 2 talents in this draft after Davis. If he is there at #3 we will draft him because he has the most value, either for our team or as a trade asset."