2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

Post #361 » by **LyricalRico** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:56 am

Marc James: NBA Source just told me the Bobcats will probably trade the 2nd pick. This is gonna be a an Exhilirating 48 hours for Charlotte. ‪#Bobcats‬ Twitter

7-Day Dray · Post #362 » by **7-Day Dray** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:58 am

MF23 wrote:I'm going to say this until the draft. If the WIzards are not picking MKG I want them to move down for 6 & 11. Dion Waiters and Perry Jones are possible and other than getting Anthony Davis nothing would make me happier at the end of the draft.

Add those two players with John Wall and that team has a very bright future.

I would love to get #6 & #11, but just w/ different players.

truwizfan4evr · Post #363 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:07 am

I been thinking Barnes struggles to create his own shot for himself and teammates so does Beal why do we blast on Barnes ? Remember D Rose meltdown in college and he's a star in the league. Why cant Barnes be a star also? He has a lot of talent can someone tell me what's the difference between Beal and Barnes beside Barnes has better size then him and more polished. You look at Beal there nothing that sticks out to me to say he will be better then Barnes a undersize shooting guard like Ben Gordon usually turn into bench players. Barnes has just as much upside as Beal to be an all star.

ecnirp · Post #364 » by **ecnirp** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:12 am

Barnes or Gilchrist.

If you dont come out of this draft with one of those two. The Wizards will regret it for a long time.

Beal a close 3rd.

No to Robinson.

mhd · Post #365 » by **mhd** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:15 am

Nugget from Bucks Beat Writer:

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/bask ... f887a.html

"Charlotte isn’t the only upper-echelon team that’s fielding calls for its premium pick. So is Washington , which has the third pick. Several teams covet the Wizards’ third pick in order to draft either Kansas power forward Thomas Robinson or Florida shooting guard Brad Beal"

If Cle trades up to 2 (to take Beal), I could see Someone trading up to 3 to take Robinson ahead of Charlotte.

DCZards · Post #366 » by **DCZards** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:16 am

The negativity toward Barnes on this board is the result of group think

arising from his poor play during the tournament. Those were probably the only games that Barnes' detractors saw him play all season. I'm willing to bet that those down on Barnes were down on James Harden when he struggled during the tournament his last year at ASU.

BTW, Barnes has an NBA body, is apparently a better athlete than we realize and is an underrated defender.

In Beal We Trust.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #367 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:16 am

Barnes is as good as a Wizard and that 3rd pick is good as traded.

Then again, knowing Ernie he will pick Austin Rivers, who I dislike more than Barnes.

KevinFCheng · Post #368 » by **KevinFCheng** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:17 am

LyricalRico wrote:
Marc James: NBA Source just told me the Bobcats will probably trade the 2nd pick. This is gonna be a an Exhilirating 48 hours for Charlotte. ‪#Bobcats‬ Twitter

Horrific news. No Barnes please.

Jay81 · Post #369 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:18 am

if we get Harrison Barnes.....so be it. I will live with it. I think he has time to improve his game. I think being with John Wall will motivate him to play harder/to bring it/ and he will be a good fit for our team. I can totally see him being the rookie of the year or 1st team all rookie

Jay81 · Post #370 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:19 am

DCZards wrote:The negativity toward Barnes on this board is the result of group think arising from his poor play during the tournament. Those were probably the only games that Barnes' detractors saw him play all season. I'm willing to bet that those down on Barnes were down on James Harden when he struggled during the tournament his last year at ASU.

BTW, Barnes has an NBA body, is apparently a better athlete than we've seen thus far and is an underrated defender.

In Beal We Trust.

James Harden was god awful in the tournament and everyone was down on him. It took him a few years to be come a really good NBA pro. Barnes will not be a bust.

7-Day Dray · Post #371 » by **7-Day Dray** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:20 am

DCZards wrote:The negativity toward Barnes on this board is the result of group think arising from his poor play during the tournament. Those were probably the only games that Barnes' detractors saw him play all season. I'm willing to bet that those down on Barnes were down on James Harden when he struggled during the tournament his last year at ASU.

BTW, Barnes has an NBA body, is apparently a better athlete than we've seen thus far and is an underrated defender.

Post #372 » by **LyricalRico** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:23 am

mhd wrote:If Cle trades up to 2 (to take Beal), I could see Someone trading up to 3 to take Robinson ahead of Charlotte.

But who? Robinson is such a logical fit for CHA that I haven't really thought about which other teams would be interested in him.

truwizfan4evr · Post #373 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:24 am

So can we all just end the Barnes hate now?

P'Oed · Post #374 » by **P'Oed** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:25 am

If we somehow find a way to trade down and grab Barnes and another pick I'll be absolutely ecstatic. I love how everyone looks at Barnes and goes "oh, well he's another Luol Deng...." I got news for you, I'd LOVE a younger, healthier Luol Deng on the Wizards. Is that kind of player worth the #3 pick in a draft? Probably not, but you can't tell me that if we find a way to fanagle another pick out of it and grab him lower that it'd be a bad move. I'm intrigued by Beal and I think he might be the no-brainer but the sky won't fall on me if we get a solid guy like Barnes.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #375 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:26 am

P'Oed, I would have no problem with another Luol Deng. I think Barnes is closer to another Jarvis Hayes or a lesser Calbert Cheaney.

mhd · Post #376 » by **mhd** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:28 am

LyricalRico wrote:
mhd wrote:If Cle trades up to 2 (to take Beal), I could see Someone trading up to 3 to take Robinson ahead of Charlotte.

But who? Robinson is such a logical fit for CHA that I haven't really thought about which other teams would be interested in him.

Robinson would be a perfect fit in Sac. Perhaps the rumor from Samuels is this scenerio...Namely that Sac takes Robinson to slide next to Cousins and does the Blatche for Garcia swap. We take whomever (MKG or Barnes) that Char doesn't take at 4.

truwizfan4evr · Post #377 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:28 am

Who cares he struggle to create his own shot right now that's why Wall is here to get people involved. This guy has all star potential he can really score the basketball and a pretty good defender. I'm not worry anymore if we miss out on Beal we can get MKG or Barnes and i be very happy plus we have are # 32 pick at that.

mhd · Post #378 » by **mhd** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:28 am

I actually think Shurma could be a target at #32. We need shooting, and a jump shooting big man would be a great get.

Ed Wood · Post #379 » by **Ed Wood** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:29 am

truwizfan4evr wrote: can someone tell me what's the difference between Beal and Barnes beside Barnes has better size then him and more polished.

Beal vs Barnes Head to Head (per 40, pace adjusted):

2 point conversion rate: 54.1% vs. 46.9%
rebounds: 7.9 vs. 7.1
Combined blocks and steals: 2.6 vs. 1.7
Free Throws/2 point field goal: .83 vs. .52
True Shooting: 58% vs. 53%
PER: 22.0 vs. 21.0*
ORtg: 111.9 vs. 107.8

And this is a comparison between Barnes as a sophomore and Beal as a freshman, when the largest expected leap in quality of play (on average, not in every case obviously) occurs between a player's freshmen and sophomore season. Yes the stats are somewhat cherry picked, but they're also all relevant to either quality of play as a collegiate or correlate well with NBA performance or both.

*This despite Barnes attempting 36% more field goals.

KevinFCheng · Post #380 » by **KevinFCheng** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:29 am

I think Barnes is closer to a Jimmy Jackson at the latter stages of his career or to be blunt, a 33 yr old Jimmy Jackson.