2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

[Jay81]

not sure how to read this but it says Barnes is much better shooter than Beal and essentially Beal has no mid range game

https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/stat ... 28/photo/1

[Jay81]

the reason Ernie has not had many lotto picks is because he is the essence of mediocrity. 39-44 win teams and picking 16

[willbcocks]

You know what would make this most recent trade a clever move? If the Wiz want to secure Kidd-Gilchrist.

This could all be one elaborate ploy to bluff Charlotte and Cleveland into thinking that the Wiz would never take KG and are focused on Beal. Then they play it cute and *bam*...EG's got his man.

Yeah, I don't think so either.

This could be the most disappointing draft ever for me. I've always had things I would prefer the Wizards to do, but usually the guys I want are gone before we pick, or I don't think it'll make a difference in the long run. This time I think it will make a huge difference in the long run, we are guaranteed one of the 3 guys I want (Davis, Beal, MKG), and it seemed like a fairytale ending to a beautiful season of tanking, which is exactly what I wanted. If they pick Barnes, it would feel like a long elaborate hoax instead of the normal quick pie in the face.

[hands11]

the funny part is we need a guy like Robinson who can be a dominant defensive rebounder. We need everything.

Which is harder to find...someone like Robinson...someone like Beal or someone like Barnes. What if we just drafted TROB and somehow got Kevin Martin

I had it

Beal
Robinson
MKG

But now with Oka here it is more complicated but not undoable. I saw Ves sliding to center.

Nene/Booker/Robinson
Kevin/Ves/Dray with Dray on his way out.

The big question was could Robinson get slide into a PF/SF hybrid. He does have some handles. If he could do that, it makes it easier to transition while Nene is here.

Even with Oka here they could make it work. It will just be crowed this year until they move Okafor to another team. I don't think he is slated to stay both years of his contract.

Short term it would look like

Nene/Booker/Robinson
Kevin/Oka/Ves/Dray

With Ves or Booker at PF with Okafor depending on which worked better. This would just be short term until they moved Okafor and or Dray and cleaned things up. They would use Okafor veteran experience to help solidify the front court till at least the trade deadline while Robinson finds his way in the NBA and they figure out how to best use him. In a year, Okafor and Dray are gone and your are left with Nene, Robinson, Booker, Kevin and Ves. That would work for next year and set them up nicely for the future. The front court would be set and so is PG. Then they get busy working on a long term solution at SG and SF. Its a process. Hopefully the Okafor trade would be for an expiring or get us one of the two spots. And we have cap space in 2013 plus all the other things that can happen with drafts, trades, etc.

[Jimmy Recard]

It's too late to use Robinson as a smoke screen to keep Charlotte from trading their pick. Beal is our guy and everyone knows it. Fml, God it's gonna suck watching the Jordan Crawford chuckfest for another year.

[Induveca]

Wiz trying to trade #3 pick.....ugh.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumo ... xid=cnnbin

[hands11]

the reason Ernie has not had many lotto picks is because he is the essence of mediocrity. 39-44 win teams and picking 16

He inherited a POS team with few assets here and turned them into a playoff team in a few years and he had a crappy owner. It was extending those contracts and locking in that blow that entire rebuild to pieces. Owners are the ones to sign off on long big contracts and set the direction. Not GMs.

Ted is deciding that stuff now which is why we just picked up two vets on two year deals instead of using open cap space on 4 or 5 year deals. It is also why we set up a pure tank last year instead of trying to get marginally better to soon which would have killed our chances of a top 3 pick. We just squeaked in getting this pick. I few more wins an we could be down to #6 again.

I wanted a trade down last draft to get multiple players that include scoring. Other wanted something similar that got us Faried. But either of those probably would have also got us a few more wins and no #3 this year. Ves was the right pick for future upside/tank top pick this year.

Gotta look at the long term picture. What they are doing can't be just in a snap shot. What they did last year got us the #3. Now lets see what they do with it. What they do with it this year should not be judge completely until the end of next year at the earliest.

We can judge Wall more completely this year. That was a decision made two years ago. Things take time to work out. Even top rookies take at least two years and we saw that from Wall at the end of the season.

Just remember where this team was two years ago. It has come a long way.

[tontoz]

It is possible for Barnes to be an efficient scorer in the pros but a few things would need to happen. First he obviously needs to be a good 3 point shooter. Next he needs to be able to score in the post. He showed signs of that with NC.

Most importantly he needs to do what Joe Johnson does. JJ isn't quick and can't jump so he can't get to the rim and finish very often. He compensates for that somewhat by shooting a running jumper/floater that he hits pretty consistently and is really hard to defend. It isn't a typical floater.

This allows him to be an effective shooter inside 10 feet in spite of rarely getting baskets at the rim.

[Nivek]

Why shouldn't the Wizards be willing to trade the 3rd pick? They have a lot of needs, and they're clearly thinking shorter term than they've previously indicated with their talk about rebuilding. If they can address those needs through a trade, it's worth at least talking about. Leveraging that 3rd pick might enable them to add another win or two next season if they make the right deal. Might be the difference between 8th and 9th in the conference.

[hands11]

You know what would make this most recent trade a clever move? If the Wiz want to secure Kidd-Gilchrist.

This could all be one elaborate ploy to bluff Charlotte and Cleveland into thinking that the Wiz would never take KG and are focused on Beal. Then they play it cute and *bam*...EG's got his man.

Yeah, I don't think so either.

This could be the most disappointing draft ever for me. I've always had things I would prefer the Wizards to do, but usually the guys I want are gone before we pick, or I don't think it'll make a difference in the long run. This time I think it will make a huge difference in the long run, we are guaranteed one of the 3 guys I want (Davis, Beal, MKG), and it seemed like a fairytale ending to a beautiful season of tanking, which is exactly what I wanted. If they pick Barnes, it would feel like a long elaborate hoax instead of the normal quick pie in the face.

I would add Robinson to that list and I feel confident they will get one of the four. Actually and read the board and working through what can go down, I feel more confident they will still get Beal.

The only way that doesn't happen is if the Cats are happy taking Barnes. If they are, we still get MKG or Robinson which I am fine with.

[nate33]

Wiz trying to trade #3 pick.....ugh.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumo ... xid=cnnbin

Don't worry, Induveca. This is pure psy-ops to scare Charlotte out of swapping picks with Cleveland. Ernie is telling Jordan that if he wants Robinson, he better take him at #2.

As Thursday's draft draws near, the Wizards are discovering that No. 3 is in demand. According to two league sources, the Wizards have been fielding calls in recent days from teams interested in moving up to possibly select Kansas big man and District native Thomas Robinson. ... It would likely take a knockout offer for the Wizards to budge, but they are picking up the phone.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

At this point I really want Beal and I think we are going to regret not getting him if we miss out on him. If we do miss out on him I'm off the thinking at this point that we should just stand pat and take MKG. Yeah, I'm just as weary as the next guy about his shooting ability, but I can live with the idea of us rolling the dice considering we are missing out on who we really wanted and MKG is no chump either.

I'm not really up for all the mind games some of you suggest that if Charlotte screws us over we should screw them right back. When doing business it’s stupid to be reactionary and spiteful because you'll probably end up trying to get to cute and screwing yourself over in the process.
I’m hoping the #4 and #24 for #2 and whatever doesn’t materialize. If it does, ok it’ll sting a little -and we probably don’t get Beal – but life goes on and we’ll going to get a good player anyways.
…

On another note, am I the only one the feels something completely unexpected is going to happen when it comes to the top of this draft. Whether it’s someone out of nowhere jumping into the top 5 or it’s someone taking someone completely unexpected I get this odd feeling something is brewing and it may turn out in our favor.

[Ed Wood]

Correction: this BECAUSE Barnes attempted 36% field goals. A player can increase his PER by shooting more frequently so long as he shoots better than something like 27% from the floor. I posted the actual number somewhere in these boards, but I have no idea where it is at this point. This is one of the problems with PER: it does a crappy job of handling offensive efficiency.

I was pointing out that Beal outperformed Barnes in PER despite the fact that Barnes shot far more often, which isn't actually necessarily a desirable quality. I was emphasizing that the difference in play as measured by PER undersold how much better Beal was.

[tontoz]

Why shouldn't the Wizards be willing to trade the 3rd pick? They have a lot of needs, and they're clearly thinking shorter term than they've previously indicated with their talk about rebuilding. If they can address those needs through a trade, it's worth at least talking about. Leveraging that 3rd pick might enable them to add another win or two next season if they make the right deal. Might be the difference between 8th and 9th in the conference.

I see what you did there.

[nate33]

At this point I really want Beal and I think we are going to regret not getting him if we miss out on him. If we do miss out on him I'm off the thinking at this point that we should just stand pat and take MKG. Yeah, I'm just as weary as the next guy about his shooting ability, but I can live with the idea of us rolling the dice considering we are missing out on who we really wanted and MKG is no chump either.

I'm not really up for all the mind games some of you suggest that if Charlotte screws us over we should screw them right back. When doing business it’s stupid to be reactionary and spiteful because you'll probably end up trying to get to cute and screwing yourself over in the process.
I’m hoping the #4 and #24 for #2 and whatever doesn’t materialize. If it does, ok it’ll sting a little -and we probably don’t get Beal – but life goes on and we’ll going to get a good player anyways.

If we arranged a pick swap with Sacramento, we would have the best of all worlds. We spite Jordan for screwing us out of Beal. We still get MKG at #5 (where he would cost a little less). And we'd pick up an extra asset from Sacramento.

[Nivek]

Correction: this BECAUSE Barnes attempted 36% field goals. A player can increase his PER by shooting more frequently so long as he shoots better than something like 27% from the floor. I posted the actual number somewhere in these boards, but I have no idea where it is at this point. This is one of the problems with PER: it does a crappy job of handling offensive efficiency.

I was pointing out that Beal outperformed Barnes in PER despite the fact that Barnes shot far more often, which isn't actually necessarily a desirable quality. I was emphasizing that the difference in play as measured by PER undersold how much better Beal was.

I thought that was where you were going with it. I was trying to add some emphasis. The only reason they were close in PER was because Barnes shot more often, and PER rewards guys who shoot a lot whether the ball goes in with regularity or not.

[payitforward]

The negativity toward Barnes on this board is the result of group think arising from his poor play during the tournament. Those were probably the only games that Barnes' detractors saw him play all season. I'm willing to bet that those down on Barnes were down on James Harden when he struggled during the tournament his last year at ASU.

BTW, Barnes has an NBA body, is apparently a better athlete than we've seen thus far and is an underrated defender.

In Beal We Trust.

James Harden was god awful in the tournament and everyone was down on him. It took him a few years to be come a really good NBA pro. Barnes will not be a bust.

Why don't you compare Harden's college numbers w/ Barnes' college numbers? Harden good. Barnes meh.

As to "group think arising from his (Barnes) poor play during the tournament" -- poor play is poor play. To be sure, playing bad does affect what you think of a guy. But, unlike Harden, Barnes has no overall many-game record of *outstanding play.*

I.e. the message is different from the one you'd like it to be: Harden was a consistent high-level performer. He worked out in the NBA. Barnes has *not* been a consistent high-level performer. Why should we think he'll work out in the NBA? Because Harden did? Ummmh.....

[payitforward]

So can we all just end the Barnes hate now?

I don't think he's worth the #3 pick; I don't think he's likely to be as good an NBA player as MKG, or as good as Beal.

Is that what you mean by "Barnes hate?"

[truwizfan4evr]

Wiz trying to trade #3 pick.....ugh.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumo ... xid=cnnbin

Don't worry, Induveca. This is pure psy-ops to scare Charlotte out of swapping picks with Cleveland. Ernie is telling Jordan that if he wants Robinson, he better take him at #2.

As Thursday's draft draws near, the Wizards are discovering that No. 3 is in demand. According to two league sources, the Wizards have been fielding calls in recent days from teams interested in moving up to possibly select Kansas big man and District native Thomas Robinson. ... It would likely take a knockout offer for the Wizards to budge, but they are picking up the phone.

I hope thats the case.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

OK Nate, what if CHA tries to again one-up us and goes for MKG at number four and we are basically left with picking Barnes or dare I say Drummond. It’s not completely illogical and outside the realm of happenings for CHA to like MKG more than Barnes, we simply just don’t know, and after these years of suffering I think it would be smart for us not to out-think ourselves.

Let me go a step further, what assets does Sacramento have that they’re A) Likely to give up and B) That we’re interested in? What a 2nd round pick….fogettaboutit. Screwing around with a perfectly good slot in this draft is stupid, take BPA at #3 and call it a day. Hell, I’d settle for drafting Robinson before settling on the notion of ending up with Barnes.

Stay pat at three unless some mind-blowing deal comes along.