Trading the #2 pick - dicussion (merged)

[Bassman]

If Chris Grant trades 4 and 24 just to move up two places, he will need to move to Charlotte!

Cavs should take MKG or Barnes at 4.
Use the 24 and both 2nds to move up an get a center.

David Aldridge mentioned that the Cavs are offering #4, #24 and Varejao for #2 but the Bobcats aren't interested - which I am happy about. Varejao's contract sort of sucks.

Throw in Tyrus and it's a good deal........for us

Absolutely...but I doubt they do that, as they get back almost as much salary as they jettison for a worse player.

Cats still trying to include Tyrus as part of any deal. This is what is making the trade down take so long. But there clearly is a desire by both CLT and CLE to get something done. Per the Wiretap headline it seems our objective is to still draft Robinson!

[bobcats3wallace]

He also mentioned Mavs are trying like hell to clear instant cap space to take a run at Deron.

I'd take Vince off their hands at the cost of the #17 pick.

His contract is unguaranteed anyways.

Or I would take the #17 and a future 1st to take Marion off their hands.

VC has team options for the next two years, so no need to trade him if your the Mavs. I'm not sure I would take on Marion. I say that because I don't think the 17 is worth that. And even if you get the 17 and a future pick, it's still likely to be in the late teens or 20's. His contract is only two more years, but by adding him and Gordon it really eats into our cap space and flexibility. I would say if you can get rid of Thomas, then I wouldn't mind this as much because it would simply replace Thomas' deal. But as long as Thomas is on the team, I would be hesitant about this because the returns likely won't be that great and it would eliminate some flexibility.

[bobcats3wallace]

Well I guess this answers the question about Varajoa.

Alex Kennedy: Teams are inquiring about Anderson Varejao, but the Cleveland Cavaliers haven't been impressed with any of the offers they've received

They view him as an ASSET.

[BigSlam]

He also mentioned Mavs are trying like hell to clear instant cap space to take a run at Deron.

I'd take Vince off their hands at the cost of the #17 pick.

His contract is unguaranteed anyways.

Or I would take the #17 and a future 1st to take Marion off their hands.

VC has team options for the next two years, so no need to trade him if your the Mavs.

Ya, there is. They need to clear cap space NOW in order to throw an offer at Williams.

[Niko23]

Was just about to post the Alex Kennedy tweet regarding Varejao. Apparently we also turned down AV + 24 to GS for #7. I would guess we would have taken back Biedrins.

But yes we are not throwing in AV nor would you guys probably want him

[thetrapman]

You guys have to understand couple things.

Cleveland values Varejao VERY HIGHLY. There's no way he'd be a throw-in on a trade. & he has one of best contracts for a big man, he's near all star level in the east.

We've always looked at him as one of our highest assets.

[m1kenoff]

Lol but cleveland would get Thomas to replace varejao !!

C'mon guys 24th pick and varejao to move up two spots? Noone even knows who is going at #2-4. It could be anyone out of 5-6 players

Robinson
Beal
Mkg
Barnes
Even Drummond and lillard

There's hardly a point to moving up two spots, let alone to absorb TT. If you really want t rob it would be best to keep the pick a most have him #2 as bpa

[doc.end]

I like Varejao. I even think he may be too good for us in current situation. I want Biyombo start at C and having Varejao as his back-up is hard to justify, would be a waste and I'm not sure whether he would be OK with coming from the bench. Neither I think pairing him with Bismack would work on offensive end but that just me and my two cents. Either way it would be a nice problem to solve instead of trying to find a way to dump Thomas.

We of course want to get as much we can but if your team has a clear preference among those 4-5 top 6 players, it could serve both sides. I actually hope whatever the final trade would be that it would be beneficial for both sides and won't kick either team in the butt later. You have some nice pieces (the fix was in ) and hopefully you can build something around that. And unlike few other teams a decent realgm board, there is pretty much no reason not to wish you well.

[_tijo_]

Hearing buzz that Washington is open to dealing the 3 pick for people who are wanting T-Rob. Washington sucks at putting up smokescreens, this is so transparent. They think that we want T-Rob so bad that if we trade with Cleveland, then we might still lose out on him, so we better not trade. Uh, we're the freakin Bobcats. We have little talent and so many needs, and don't necessarily need Robinson. If he's there, great. If not, we are perfectly fine with either MKG or Barnes to fill our gaping hole at the SF spot. You guys really suck at this.

[Bassman]

Hearing buzz that Washington is open to dealing the 3 pick for people who are wanting T-Rob. Washington sucks at putting up smokescreens, this is so transparent. They think that we want T-Rob so bad that if we trade with Cleveland, then we might still lose out on him, so we better not trade. Uh, we're the freakin Bobcats. We have little talent and so many needs, and don't necessarily need Robinson. If he's there, great. If not, we are perfectly fine with either MKG or Barnes to fill our gaping hole at the SF spot. You guys really suck at this.

However, I could see a very real scenario where Washington swaps with Sacramento. The Kings would love to get Robinson to put with Cousins. This allows the Wiz to slide down and still get either Barnes or MKG, who are their targets anyway.

[thetrapman]

I like Varejao. I even think he may be too good for us in current situation. I want Biyombo start at C and having Varejao as his back-up is hard to justify, would be a waste and I'm not sure whether he would be OK with coming from the bench. Neither I think pairing him with Bismack would work on offensive end but that just me and my two cents. Either way it would be a nice problem to solve instead of trying to find a way to dump Thomas.

We of course want to get as much we can but if your team has a clear preference among those 4-5 top 6 players, it could serve both sides. I actually hope whatever the final trade would be that it would be beneficial for both sides and won't kick either team in the butt later. You have some nice pieces (the fix was in ) and hopefully you can build something around that. And unlike few other teams a decent realgm board, there is pretty much no reason not to wish you well.

AV is more of natural PF, also, he came off the bench for most of his career, that's kind of his thing.

[BeesWax]

Hearing buzz that Washington is open to dealing the 3 pick for people who are wanting T-Rob. Washington sucks at putting up smokescreens, this is so transparent. They think that we want T-Rob so bad that if we trade with Cleveland, then we might still lose out on him, so we better not trade. Uh, we're the freakin Bobcats. We have little talent and so many needs, and don't necessarily need Robinson. If he's there, great. If not, we are perfectly fine with either MKG or Barnes to fill our gaping hole at the SF spot. You guys really suck at this.

However, I could see a very real scenario where Washington swaps with Sacramento. The Kings would love to get Robinson to put with Cousins. This allows the Wiz to slide down and still get either Barnes or MKG, who are their targets anyway.

Kings want to move Cousins to PF and Robinson is a small PF would be a very small C. It is a bluff and I hope Cho sees it for what it is. If they do move oh well we get a better player than Robinson anyway.

[_tijo_]

However, I could see a very real scenario where Washington swaps with Sacramento. The Kings would love to get Robinson to put with Cousins. This allows the Wiz to slide down and still get either Barnes or MKG, who are their targets anyway.

So it would go:
1. NO - Davis
2. Cleveland - Beal
3. Sacramento - T-Rob
4. Charlotte - MKG
5. Washington - Barnes

That's fine with me... but I don't think Washington wants Barnes. I think they want either Beal or MKG personally, and if they were both gone, might actually pick Waiters in that spot. MKG would actually be a nice fit next to the shooter BG, and the slasher Kemba.

[chabber]

If Chris Grant trades 4 and 24 just to move up two places, he will need to move to Charlotte!

Cavs should take MKG or Barnes at 4.
Use the 24 and both 2nds to move up an get a center.

David Aldridge mentioned that the Cavs are offering #4, #24 and Varejao for #2 but the Bobcats aren't interested - which I am happy about. Varejao's contract sort of sucks.

I guess we'd be hesitant about adding another $9M in salary and his injury history the last two years. Otherwise, I like Varejao a lot. His contract isn't all that bad and his last year is partially unguaranteed. If we thought we could move Thomas this off season and they think they will still get Trob at 4 I'd be down for this.

[doc.end]

Hearing buzz that Washington is open to dealing the 3 pick for people who are wanting T-Rob. Washington sucks at putting up smokescreens, this is so transparent. They think that we want T-Rob so bad that if we trade with Cleveland, then we might still lose out on him, so we better not trade. Uh, we're the freakin Bobcats. We have little talent and so many needs, and don't necessarily need Robinson. If he's there, great. If not, we are perfectly fine with either MKG or Barnes to fill our gaping hole at the SF spot. You guys really suck at this.

So Schadenfreunde instead of securing their target? That sounds abour right, lol.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Let's see if we can't work something out...

Trade 1:
Jazz trade: Paul Millsap, Alec Burks and the Golden State pick.
Bobcats trade: Tyrus Thomas, Reggie Williams and the #2 pick.

Trade 2:
Jazz trade: Enes Kanter, Raja Bell and the Golden State pick.
Bobcats trade: Tyrus Thomas and the #2 pick.

I'd be willing to negotiate the pick we include too. Maybe Utah's 2013 pick with lottery protection and then diminishing protections after that (something similar to what you guys got from the Gordo trade) instead. We could even try to acquire a 1st rounder in this years draft with one of our other pieces to throw in there if you guys want something this year.

Thoughts? I'm willing to work on the trades if you guys have any interest. The Jazz would much rather do trade #1 than trade #2 and Just remember that Favors is untouchable.

[BigSlam]

Let's see if we can't work something out...

Trade 1:
Jazz trade: Paul Millsap, Alec Burks and the Golden State pick.
Bobcats trade: Tyrus Thomas, Reggie Williams and the #2 pick.

Trade 2:
Jazz trade: Enes Kanter, Raja Bell and the Golden State pick.
Bobcats trade: Tyrus Thomas and the #2 pick.

I think that Robinson will be much better than Millsap so I would rather just stay at #2 and take him.

I like Burks but he doesn't bring us anthing we don't already have in Hendo so I would rather just keep Hendo.

I would like to get ride of Tyrus though!

How about:

#2 and Tyrus
for
Kanter, Watson and the GSW pick

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

How about:

#2 and Tyrus
for
Kanter, Watson and the GSW pick

That's actually what I had written up first but I ended up exchanging Raja for Watson last second.

It's certainly something the Jazz would chew on... I really don't think we want to move Kanter, especially if we're drafting MKG or Beal and we already have Hayward and Burks at the wings... but I wouldn't be shocked if we said yes to that. It all depends on how much we like Kanter and how much we like MKG/Beal.

I'd be more willing to add to trade #1 than look to move Kanter though.

[BigSlam]

How about:

#2 and Tyrus
for
Kanter, Watson and the GSW pick

That's actually what I had written up first but I ended up exchanging Raja for Watson last second.

It's certainly something the Jazz would chew on... I really don't think we want to move Kanter, especially if we're drafting MKG or Beal and we already have Hayward and Burks at the wings... but I wouldn't be shocked if we said yes to that. It all depends on how much we like Kanter and how much we like MKG/Beal.

I'd be more willing to add to trade #1 than look to move Kanter though.

If you have too many wings then we can make it:

#2 and Tyrus
for
Kanter, Hayward and the GSW pick

[631_Heat]

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