2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

Cammo101 · Post #1261 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:24 pm

Kendall Marshall has much better floor vision and passing ability than Marcus Williams. Unfortunately he also has worse scoring and defense.

Neon1 · Post #1262 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:39 pm

Cammo101 wrote:Kendall Marshall has much better floor vision and passing ability than Marcus Williams. Unfortunately he also has worse scoring and defense.

I wouldn't say "much better" vision. Marcus was pretty freaking good out of college. His passing and vision was pretty hyped just like Marshall's is. His numbers also backed it up.

His attitude killed his chances i think.

Neon1 · Post #1263 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:44 pm

Dgbarnes wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
Dgbarnes wrote:I can see how people would say that Williams and Marshall are similar but their style of play isnt that similar when it comes to PGs. Marcus Williams was the type of player who drove and dished to the first man he saw, very much a two man game (doesnt translate well to the NBA). Marshall like more of the true court general, really playing intelligent half court basketball and seeing the entire floor getting everyone involved (translates well to the NBA).

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... ams-(UConn)-180/
Scroll down to his college profile. If you don't look at the name, you would barely know who's scouting report is who's.

We'll just have to wait and see, I just feel he's going to have a solid NBA career when its all said and done.

I think he will have a long solid career too. It's just im looking for more then just solid,because we need more then solid, even if it comes with a risk.

mcaul55 · Post #1264 » by **mcaul55** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:46 pm

I think we're forgetting that Marcus Williams was a gangsta-ass thug with a terrible attitude. He had the talent to stick in the NBA, but what team is going to continue to develop a locker room cancer?

Dgbarnes · Post #1265 » by **Dgbarnes** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:01 pm

Neon1 wrote:
Dgbarnes wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... ams-(UConn)-180/
Scroll down to his college profile. If you don't look at the name, you would barely know who's scouting report is who's.

We'll just have to wait and see, I just feel he's going to have a solid NBA career when its all said and done.

I think he will have a long solid career too. It's just im looking for more then just solid,because we need more then solid, even if it comes with a risk.

I'm with ya, but were at 19 so finding a potential all star typically doesn't happen. Like others have said, it comes down to attitude, and the prospects sitting in our range with "High Risk" written all over them (PJIII, Quincy) just dont have the right attitude to become what we'd hope IMHO.

Neon1 · Post #1266 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:07 pm

Dgbarnes wrote:
I'm with ya, but were at 19 so finding a potential all star typically doesn't happen. Like others have said, it comes down to attitude, and the prospects sitting in our range with "High Risk" written all over them (PJIII, Quincy) just dont have the right attitude to become what we'd hope IMHO.

But it is not a typical year. The talent is late lotto caliber all the way to 22-23ish. Royce White, Harkless, Sullinger, Quincy Miller, Terrence Jones, possibly PJIII, Etc. You can argue for guys that will be picked up until 26-28 like Wroten.

I don't care what pick you have, you should ALWAYS be looking for the guy the has the best chance of being a star of the players remaining available.

I don't buy the well we only have pick ______ it doesnt mean you just pack it in. Packing it in leads to guys like Manu, Arenas, M.Ellis, Mike Redd going round 2.

Skin · Post #1267 » by **Skin** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:09 pm

D12VCMagic wrote:
Howard Mass wrote:Magic need to take the Best Available Player and I think Rob Hennigan is going to do that.

I think we might also see some other moves from him during The Draft.

It is going to be an exciting night on my favorite day of the year.

I have a feeling J-Rich is traded tommorrow night.

Charlotte trading for Ben Gordon and Minnesota trading for Budinger ends those options from 2 teams under the cap that could've absorbed Richardson's contract.

I think it's still possible with teams like Phoenix and Cleveland, but outside of that I have doubts... and we'd have to dangle the 19th pick just to get the talks started.

So while draft day may be a damn exciting time of year, we might be trading away our pick to clear cap, so get ready for that.

Dgbarnes · Post #1268 » by **Dgbarnes** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:12 pm

Neon1 wrote:
Dgbarnes wrote:
I'm with ya, but were at 19 so finding a potential all star typically doesn't happen. Like others have said, it comes down to attitude, and the prospects sitting in our range with "High Risk" written all over them (PJIII, Quincy) just dont have the right attitude to become what we'd hope IMHO.

But it is not a typical year. The talent is late lotto caliber all the way to 22-23ish. Royce White, Quincy Miller, Terrence Jones, possibly PJIII, Etc. You can argue for guys that will be picked up until 26-28.

The exception with this draft is that its deep with role players through the first round, solid contributors, but not so much star potential.

Neon1 · Post #1269 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:17 pm

Dgbarnes wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
Dgbarnes wrote:
I'm with ya, but were at 19 so finding a potential all star typically doesn't happen. Like others have said, it comes down to attitude, and the prospects sitting in our range with "High Risk" written all over them (PJIII, Quincy) just dont have the right attitude to become what we'd hope IMHO.

But it is not a typical year. The talent is late lotto caliber all the way to 22-23ish. Royce White, Quincy Miller, Terrence Jones, possibly PJIII, Etc. You can argue for guys that will be picked up until 26-28.

The exception with this draft is that its deep with role players through the first round, solid contributors, but not so much star potential.

Someone will go AFTER our pick that will out perform guys picked in the lotto. Book it. It happens all the time, it is your job as an evaluator to do your best to find that guy.

LetItRain · Post #1270 » by **LetItRain** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:26 pm

so it seems like Rob is big on attitude, team-oriented spirit, guys who play for something bigger than themselves.....I don't know all of the draft prospects that well..which guys in our range fit that mold?

Dgbarnes · Post #1271 » by **Dgbarnes** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:28 pm

Neon1 wrote:Someone will go AFTER our pick that will out perform guys picked in the lotto. Book it. It happens all the time, it is your job as an evaluator to do your best to find that guy.

Whos your top 5 if we stick with the 19th?

thelead · Post #1272 » by **thelead** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:30 pm

Would you guys rather use the pick on a player that has a 10% chance of not sucking over trading it to get out of some of salary issues?

Neon1 · Post #1273 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:33 pm

Dgbarnes wrote:
Neon1 wrote:Someone will go AFTER our pick that will out perform guys picked in the lotto. Book it. It happens all the time, it is your job as an evaluator to do your best to find that guy.

Whos your top 5 if we stick with the 19th?

Top 5 Overall at #19? Or just top 5 fits for the Magic at #19?

Also a lot of that depends on who is still available and things also change in my eyes if we aquire multiple picks.

LetItRain · Post #1274 » by **LetItRain** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:34 pm

I would like to see us draft someone, but I'm okay if it's traded too. Rob has a plan. And he's not Otis.

ChildishGambino · Post #1275 » by **ChildishGambino** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:41 pm

don't really see us taking any PF's with so many on the roster....what's the reason for taking Nicholson when we have Harper?

Dgbarnes · Post #1276 » by **Dgbarnes** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:43 pm

Neon1 wrote:
Dgbarnes wrote:
Neon1 wrote:Someone will go AFTER our pick that will out perform guys picked in the lotto. Book it. It happens all the time, it is your job as an evaluator to do your best to find that guy.

Whos your top 5 if we stick with the 19th?

Top 5 Overall at #19? Or just top 5 fits for the Magic at #19?

Also a lot of that depends on who is still available and things also change in my eyes if we aquire multiple picks.

If were at 19 and these players are available who do you grab:
Kendall Marshall
Royce White
Quincy Miller
Terrence Jones
Tony Wroten

Neon1 · Post #1277 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:49 pm

thelead wrote:Would you guys rather use the pick on a player that has a 10% chance of not sucking over trading it to get out of some of salary issues?

I dont think we HAVE to use the pick to get out of all the salaries in question. If Henny is trying to create cap space for THIS OFFSEASON then whatever, trade it if you have to, but if the goal is 2013, why throw away chances at possible cheap talent locked in for 3-4 year deals.

If you have to field a full team of signing vets and free agents then your cap space you create will be quickly filled right back up. You need to build cheap. The draft is the cheapest way to get talent for basically free.

Cammo101 · Post #1278 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:51 pm

Dgbarnes wrote:
Neon1 wrote:Someone will go AFTER our pick that will out perform guys picked in the lotto. Book it. It happens all the time, it is your job as an evaluator to do your best to find that guy.

Whos your top 5 if we stick with the 19th?

IMO...

1. Terrence Ross
2. Kendall Marshall
3. Marquise Teague
4. Moe Harkless
5. Quincy Miller

Neon1 · Post #1279 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:59 pm

Dgbarnes wrote:
If were at 19 and these players are available who do you grab:
Kendall Marshall
Royce White
Quincy Miller
Terrence Jones
Tony Wroten

Of those i probably go Quincy Miller or Royce White. If im moving Baby and Anderson i go Terrence Jones.

But i would be trying hard to get another pick and grab a guard like Wroten or Tyshawn Taylor later on.

Dgbarnes · Post #1280 » by **Dgbarnes** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:10 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Dgbarnes wrote:
Neon1 wrote:Someone will go AFTER our pick that will out perform guys picked in the lotto. Book it. It happens all the time, it is your job as an evaluator to do your best to find that guy.

Whos your top 5 if we stick with the 19th?

IMO...

1. Terrence Ross
2. Kendall Marshall
3. Marquise Teague
4. Moe Harkless
5. Quincy Miller

I would have the same exact order honestly, just hope Ross/Teague/Marshall is still around

Who would you like to see the Magic draft ?