#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

[xTitan]

Owhat it really does is delay the inevitable tear down

Yes and no. While the trade may improve the team's chances next season there's a huge amount of cap room currently available after next season.

OK and how do you believe that translates?

[europa]

Not surprised to see people come out the woodwork to praise Hammond once again

Assuming the Bucks don't muck up the pick tomorrow night this is a good trade. I don't see why it can't be recognized as such.

I see it as a side step. We finally got a back up center, but we still need a starter down the road. The pick is the biggest thing.

I agree Dalembert isn't the long-term answer. But I'd rather go stopgap than blow the pick on Leonard or Zeller. To me that's a huge positive result of this trade. Now the Bucks can look to address the position next year when the draft is expected to be much better at C. And if the team stinks, Dalembert becomes a valuable trade asset at the deadline.

[JayMKE]

I don't see how this improves our chances at all next season. We're still a 9th/8th seed team

nothing changes at all

[skones]

I love the "Dalembert is solid" posts. That's great. We added a role playing center to a crappy team about to lose its best player in FA. This is another treading water, directionless move that accomplishes nothing.

So we're supposed to stand pat and lose Ersan? Ok.

[raferfenix]

Owhat it really does is delay the inevitable tear down

Yes and no. While the trade may improve the team's chances next season there's a huge amount of cap room currently available after next season.

And what evidence is there that a tear down is remotely inevitable?

Hasn't Kohl indicated that he thinks the team needs to win in order to be more attractive for a new owner, as well as for a stadium deal to ever get done?

We all wish we'd blow it up properly...but if that's not happening, us finding some way to get into the 45-55 win sphere for a few years would still be great for a franchise over 10 years removed from the Big 3 days.

[linguini8]

Can't believe the hate for this trade.

Dalembert won't be resigned to a massive extension people. Don't worry about that. He is a veteran 5 man that will come in, play half the C minutes, while mentoring Sanders. Dalembert is on a cheap expiring contract. He helps us win now. He helps us develop for the future. He helps us clear out financially for the future because of his contract. We only moved down 2 spots. The same player that we want will most likely be available.

This trade will be the difference in us drafting a stiff like Zeller or Leonard instead of a wing like Ross.

Jennings/Udrih
Ellis/Ross
Harris/LRMAM/Dunleavy
Gooden/Udoh
Dalembert/Sanders

or

Jennings/Udrih/Livingston
Ellis/Delfino
Harris/LRMAM/Dunleavy
Gooden/Udoh/Leuer
Zeller/Sanders/Brockman

First lineup is better Win Now and better for the future.

[msiris]

Owhat it really does is delay the inevitable tear down

Yes and no. While the trade may improve the team's chances next season there's a huge amount of cap room currently available after next season.

I dont now. I still see an 7th or 8th seed. Depend on the draft mostly.

[Sherman Douglas]

I don't see how this improves our chances at all next season. We're still a 9th/8th seed team

nothing changes at all

Without Ersan we're a 12th/13th seed team.

[JoeHova]

Why are people talking about Dalembert's contract when he's an expiring, makes around $1.5M more than the salary we traded, and we can waive him for $5M saved if we want? This didn't negatively impact our cap at all.

It's not about Dalembert, it's about how Leuer is cheap. Obviously the economics of basketball are different because of the cap and matching trades and all that but a player who is good and cheap should have value.

The real problem with this trade is not so much the particular players involved, it's more that the team continues to seem directionless. Most of the trades Hammond makes can be somewhat justified if you squint hard enough. But what does that get anybody? This team is going nowhere and should be collecting young, cheap, good players; not trading them away for guys in their 30's. I hate trading youth for age and I hate moving down in drafts unless extra picks are forthcoming. It would even be one thing if Hammond's stupid strategy of stocking up on vets in order to make the 7th or 8th seed consistently worked. But it hasn't. He's made the playoffs once in his tenure. So, not only is his strategy stupid and pointless, he's also bad at implementing it.

[mattg]

Leuer is a dime a dozen. He won't make many mistakes and can hit mid range jumpers, that's what he is. His jumper lacks range, he's not a good rebounder or effective defender so it's not really a loss.

[Nebula1]

On the surface it is a good deal, but what does it get you? Might get you into the playoffs, might get Johnny a contract extension, won't get you closer to a star, definitely doesn't get you closer to a championship....what it really does is delay the inevitable tear down and might possibly put this team in more peril of leaving the city.

I don't think it really changes the W/L record much, if at all, but I do think it's good for the team and doesn't dampen the young guys. It's a long season and Dalembert fits in well. I see nothing wrong it.

And I like it for the Rockets. I think Leuer will fit in nicely and can kick it with me and JJ Watt.

[europa]

Owhat it really does is delay the inevitable tear down

Yes and no. While the trade may improve the team's chances next season there's a huge amount of cap room currently available after next season.

OK and how do you believe that translates?

As far as long-term that's impossible to say at the present time. Obviously as long as Kohl is the owner nothing huge is likely to change. But this team could look radically different in two years. Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen.

[jr lucosa]

I don't see how this improves our chances at all next season. We're still a 9th/8th seed team

nothing changes at all

Without Ersan we're a 12th/13th seed team.

You're overvaluing a really good role player.

[RiotPunch]

I can remember lots of people going crazy when we picked up Jackson. Look what happened there? So we got another aging vet in the twilight of his playing days and the Bucks are saved. The only good thing is that we only dropped two spots instead 12 like last year.

For the record, I HATED the S-Jax trade. Still though, no one is arguing that Dalembert is SAVEING TEH BUCKZ, it's simply that we acquire a legitimately productive center without giving up anything of value besides moving back 2 spots.

[SheedsWeed]

I don't see how this improves our chances at all next season. We're still a 9th/8th seed team

nothing changes at all

To be fair though, we would still be a 9th/8th seed team next year without the trade.

At least this way we won't draft Zeller/Leonard/Henson.

[europa]

I don't see how this improves our chances at all next season. We're still a 9th/8th seed team

nothing changes at all

Without Ersan we're a 12th/13th seed team.

Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't see Ilyasova being that much of a difference maker.

[ampd]

Not surprised to see people come out the woodwork to praise Hammond once again

Assuming the Bucks don't muck up the pick tomorrow night this is a good trade. I don't see why it can't be recognized as such.

Yeah, its a good trade.

It isn't a franchise changing trade and they aren't blowing it up and starting over or rebuilding, but since they aren't, we did just increase the level of talent on the team without giving up anything, which is a win. Plus if it all goes south we flip Dalembert for an extra pick at the deadline, and if that happens the Bucks moved back 2 spots to take the same player they were going to take anyway and add a pick.

If that is the worst case I think you have to give credit where it is due.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I love how everything devolves into pure hatred for Gooden. For the love of god, get him off this team.

that will happen once skiles is gone.... it wont happen until then but it is assured to happen after.

[Max Green]

Solid trade as of now. If we end up selecting Lamb, Ross or one of the Jones' tomorrow, then it will end up as a very good trade for us.

[LUKE23]

I guess it's good Hammond is so stupid to think Dalembert is the answer at center

It's a win now trade without realizing that Dalembert sucks

Dalembert is better in 2012-13 than any center we take at 12 or can sign in FA. Nobody is arguing that win now is good, but for win now, this easily trumps drafting a big or signing someone like Kaman. Hell, this likely prevents us from drafting a big.