Sixers Offseason thread/ sixerfan1976 updated to page 84

skim8201 · Post #1421 » by **skim8201** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:40 pm

i agree. i have a bad feeling the sixers wil stay pat and choose not to make a splash. if this becomes reality then the sixers will be stuck in mediocrity. we need new blood on this roster. hopefully rod thorn wont mess up on his way out.

sixerfan1976 · Post #1422 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:42 pm

i mean lets say they keep iguodala and grab sullinger or terrence jones or someone like that at 15 and trade turner to get ross at 11-12. that would be a great draft to me too.

Mik317 · Post #1423 » by **Mik317** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:45 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:i mean lets say they keep iguodala and grab sullinger or terrence jones or someone like that at 15 and trade turner to get ross at 11-12. that would be a great draft to me too.

I wouldn't like the actual trades...

but I would be glad to see us actually do something for once.

(That would make us a crazy athletic team too....)

manutesbowl · Post #1424 » by **manutesbowl** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:49 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:i mean lets say they keep iguodala and grab sullinger or terrence jones or someone like that at 15 and trade turner to get ross at 11-12. that would be a great draft to me too.

I could deal with that.

If they come out of this with two picks and get one out of Ross/Rivers/Lamb with one and one out of Jones/Jones III/Sullinger with the other, I can live with it.

I'd probably prefer Lamb (who they seem to have no interest in), then Ross, then Rivers (although I go back and forth on him). Definitely would rather have Jones III than any of the other bigs. Just take a chance on the talent and that they can maximize it. Lavoy Allen had similar motor questions and they seem to have figured it out. I would almost even consider keeping Brand for the extra year as kind of a mentor to Jones III.

Cru Thik · Post #1425 » by **Cru Thik** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:50 pm

Trading Turner for 11-12 would be horrible. Trade him for Barnes, Beal, or MKG someone like that if you are going to do it.

LarsV8 · Post #1426 » by **LarsV8** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:50 pm

Is your Hou/GS trade a theory or is that common knowledge in GM land?

sixerfan1976 · Post #1427 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:51 pm

manutesbowl wrote:
sixerfan1976 wrote:i mean lets say they keep iguodala and grab sullinger or terrence jones or someone like that at 15 and trade turner to get ross at 11-12. that would be a great draft to me too.

I could deal with that.

If they come out of this with two picks and get one out of Ross/Rivers/Lamb with one and one out of Jones/Jones III/Sullinger with the other, I can live with it.

I'd probably prefer Lamb (who they seem to have no interest in), then Ross, then Rivers (although I go back and forth on him). Definitely would rather have Jones III than any of the other bigs. Just take a chance on the talent and that they can maximize it. Lavoy Allen had similar motor questions and they seem to have figured it out. I would almost even consider keeping Brand for the extra year as kind of a mentor to Jones III.

if you see sullinger picked(also david falk client)..you may see brand mentoring him. scary thought.

sixerfan1976 · Post #1428 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:52 pm

Cru Thik wrote:Trading Turner for 11-12 would be horrible. Trade him for Barnes, Beal, or MKG someone like that if you are going to do it.

not saying turner isnt still talented. But he isnt valued like he was two years ago right now.

sixerfan1976 · Post #1429 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:53 pm

LarsV8 wrote:Is your Hou/GS trade a theory or is that common knowledge in GM land?

the sixers are concerned about it interfering with a trade with GSW. put it that way. Houston could just go in another direction of course.

manutesbowl · Post #1430 » by **manutesbowl** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:55 pm

Cru Thik wrote:Trading Turner for 11-12 would be horrible. Trade him for Barnes, Beal, or MKG someone like that if you are going to do it.

He doesn't have enough value to get that, sadly.

He had a horrible rookie year, a so-so sophomore year, and a jekyll & hyde playoffs. I get the question a lot of people in the league don't see him as anything more than a rotation guy and some see him as a bust.

moefro44 · Post #1431 » by **moefro44** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:02 pm

i'd be pissed if they traded turner. we should see how he does with a full offseason being the starter and being "the guy" if they trade iguodala. if he still struggles then i would be fine trading him. but i feel like he still has the potential to be a good player.

sixerfan1976 · Post #1432 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:03 pm

i think more likely they trade iguodala but they know one must go to really make room for a shooter/scorer

Mik317 · Post #1433 » by **Mik317** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:05 pm

moefro44 wrote:i'd be pissed if they traded turner. we should see how he does with a full offseason being the starter and being "the guy" if they trade iguodala. if he still struggles then i would be fine trading him. but i feel like he still has the potential to be a good player.

On the flipside tho..

if he is what he is (role player at best) then we wouldn't be able to even get 11 or 12 for him next year.

sixerfan1976 · Post #1434 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:07 pm

Knux-Future wrote:
moefro44 wrote:i'd be pissed if they traded turner. we should see how he does with a full offseason being the starter and being "the guy" if they trade iguodala. if he still struggles then i would be fine trading him. but i feel like he still has the potential to be a good player.

On the flipside tho..

if he is what he is (role player at best) then we wouldn't be able to even get 11 or 12 for him next year.

yeah me personally..i flip him for ross right now. then grab sullinger or your flavor of the week at PF and amnesty brand to get your center(shot blocker/athletic etc)

Cru Thik · Post #1435 » by **Cru Thik** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:07 pm

manutesbowl wrote:
Cru Thik wrote:Trading Turner for 11-12 would be horrible. Trade him for Barnes, Beal, or MKG someone like that if you are going to do it.

He doesn't have enough value to get that, sadly.

He had a horrible rookie year, a so-so sophomore year, and a jekyll & hyde playoffs. I get the question a lot of people in the league don't see him as anything more than a rotation guy and some see him as a bust.

I find it hard to call him a bust. The way the 76ers have handled him has been really poor. Like Moefro says I would be pissed if they send him packing after the way the situation has been handled. Give the team over to Turner let him handle the ball facilitate and allow Jrue to play off that who is the better shooter and can knock down the 3. Not this crap of Turner doesn't get the ball and stands in the corner.

sixerfan1976 · Post #1436 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:08 pm

agree move one or the other now so we can grow this team forward. Turner and Iguodala are buds but dont fit well together on the court.

manutesbowl · Post #1437 » by **manutesbowl** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:08 pm

moefro44 wrote:i'd be pissed if they traded turner. we should see how he does with a full offseason being the starter and being "the guy" if they trade iguodala. if he still struggles then i would be fine trading him. but i feel like he still has the potential to be a good player.

The smart move, if you believe in Turner, is to trade Iguodala. More cost effective and Iguodala's value is higher.

I'm just not convinced they believe in Turner.

moefro44 · Post #1438 » by **moefro44** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:09 pm

Knux-Future wrote:
moefro44 wrote:i'd be pissed if they traded turner. we should see how he does with a full offseason being the starter and being "the guy" if they trade iguodala. if he still struggles then i would be fine trading him. but i feel like he still has the potential to be a good player.

On the flipside tho..

if he is what he is (role player at best) then we wouldn't be able to even get 11 or 12 for him next year.

true...but how would you, me and every other fan feel if we traded him away to a team where he could be "the guy" and then he becomes an all star in a few years? its one of those things where i just feel like it will bite us in the butt if we give up too early on him

tgo2223 · Post #1439 » by **tgo2223** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:17 pm

Man I can't even express how angry this team is making me.

I DONT WANT IGGY ON THIS TEAM NEXT YEAR! I DONT WANT LOU ON THIS TEAM NEXT YEAR! I DONT WANT HAWES ON THIS TEAM NEXT YEAR!

And Iggy has to go draft night. No trades for Al Jefferson or Gasol only to have them old and broke down by thew time Jrue and Turner are at their peaks. The deal for 7, Jefferson/Beans, and Wright should have been done a week ago. Now we're just gonna sit on our asses and take the bpa at 15 and trout the same team out next year who's ceiling isn't high enough to house midgets!

Mik317 · Post #1440 » by **Mik317** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:19 pm

Yeah it's definately a tough choice.

4 outcomes

You keep him and he pans out

You keep him and he remains the same and thus loses value

You trade him and get basically is just a role player (Yoru pick needs to pan out to of course)

You trade him and he pans out.

Iggy definately is the easier one to move since keeping him doesn't really do much for you in the long run but at this point I just want something to happen instead of staying put...

Part of this is due to us probaby still having a major hole left after trading iggy for a big later on.

I want to come out of this draft with a shooter and an athletic big.

Instead I'll get a big that will sit on the bench due to Collins and whoever we trade Iggy for all while Meeks starts next to Turner because we didn't get out shooter.

Meh

Lamb/Ross and Jones/Sully

or bust