#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

[ampd]

Very sad to see Leuer in particular go, but it's a vast improvement on Hammonds last trade.

No its not a back breaker, but Houston still win, since they moved up amd still have two other picks right behind it.

What Houston already has has nothing to do with who won the trade. The two picks they already have don't matter in the least.

I think both teams are very happy with this deal. There was almost definitely nothing better we were going to get with those 'assets' and he is on a good contract that is expiring.

[skones]

Really good trade for a different team in a different situation. Really good.

For us.... meh. I mainly just agree with everything jake had to say.

Another grasp at the mediocrity that always seems just out of reach. Meanwhile, we sacrifice developing our young players and sacrifice (mildly in this case) on draft assets. If Dalembert was a SF, he'd be RJ, Maggette, and/or Jax.

The sad part is it'll work for this year with half the teams in the East in shambles (including a couple due to injury), and the other half just above poor.

Nearly everyone on this board realizes this, and it's extremely frustrating. Rather than complaining about it over and over, I'd rather focus on ways to get better in ways that are actually plausible under the current regime.

Like drafting a superstar or a couple allstars?

How does this move help?

Did you not ready what I just said? Drafting a superstar is not happening. Drafting all-stars is highly unlikely. Like it or not, Kohl is not going to allow that because both of those things require tanking. It is what it is. As a fan, you can either rehash the same old, LETS TANK DAMNIT (which has become extremely annoying, because it's the same people saying the same thing over and over and over), or accept it, and move on. Kohl wants to win games, and win games now. This deal helps us do that, and value wise, it's a pretty damn good one, whether it's the direction people want to go in or not.

[europa]

I think both teams are very happy with this deal.

Yeah this looks like a trade which on paper works out well for both teams.

[Frank Nova]

Lmao at what this thread is turning into. Bucks fans cry about bringing in a talent like Monta Ellis and want him gone ASAP and then cry when we ship out a borderline garbage man like Jon Leuer. Sometimes I seriously question the actual basketball knowledge of some posters. Add a big time scoring threat and hate life, ship out a garbage man for a solid center and hate life.

[Balls2TheWalls]

Lmao at what this thread is turning into. Bucks fans cry about bringing in a talent like Monta Ellis and want him gone ASAP and then cry when we ship out a borderline garbage man like Jon Leuer. Sometimes I seriously question the actual basketball knowledge of some posters. Add a big time scoring threat and hate life, ship out a garbage man for a solid center and hate life.

"Big time scoring threat"

One player getting points does not always lead to a team getting better offensively. If the player is a volume shooter, and shoots at a poor percentage, while not play defense, they are likely to hurt your team.

PPGGGGZZZZ

[worthlessBucks]

The Bucks appreciate your dedication and loyalty weezy.

[jakecronus8]

If you are a tanker and/or want Hammond gone, this trade is negative.

The Bucks aren't going to tank, though. So while we can hope for that it simply isn't realistic at the present time. I don't think this trade does anything to solidify Hammond's status after his contract ends. Lots of things can and will happen before then.

Maybe not intentionally but it could unintentionally happen. Not that crazy of a scenario tbh.

Ersan is gone.
Jennings is distracted by contract talks
Ellis continues to not enjoy Milwaukee and sulks
Harris and their first from this year ride pine.
Dunleavy regresses from last year
Gooden continues to be Drew Gooden.
Injury or injuries and the biggest of all...
Skiles quits on the team after the players quit on Skiles

[bullox]

meh

[Serge28]

I like this trade. I love that Brockman is finally off the roster. Losing Leuer is a non-issue. The guy can't rebound and defend. He's got a nice stroke from the perimeter, but guys like that are dime a dozen. Livingston also sucked last year. We traded 3 scrubs for a legit 7-footer who can rebound and block shots. Gooden now will never play center again. We can continue grooming Sanders behind Dalembert and hopefully, if he shows enough this year in ~20 minutes or so, he'll start next year. Moving down from 12 to 14 just means that we're not going for Leonard/Zeller which is good news. We now have a spot open at back-up SG.

All of you who are unhappy because we didn't hit a home run are just being stupid. Not every move is going to have enormous implications. That doesn't mean that they're not worth doing just cause they're not a franchise changer. This was a small but important trade. It's a positive move for this franchise on any level. It's not like Daly has a long-term deal. He's an expiring contract. We also get a second rounder out of this.

Hammond still has A LOT of work left to do to atone for the hole he's put us in this, but this is definitely a step, albeit a very small one, in the right direction.

[msiris]

Very sad to see Leuer in particular go, but it's a vast improvement on Hammonds last trade.

No its not a back breaker, but Houston still win, since they moved up amd still have two other picks right behind it.

What Houston already has has nothing to do with who won the trade. The two picks they already have don't matter in the least.

Yes it does. They get to pick before us. What if they take who we want? They have three chances to pick an all star. Whos position would you rather be in?

[europa]

Dalembert also becomes a positive trade asset. The Bucks now have three veterans on expiring deals who play valuable roles (backup PG, backup C and wing scorer). It's entirely possible nothing happens with any of them but at least there's value and when trade talks come around during the season the Bucks can attempt to be a player in some fashion.

ETA - they actually have four potential trade assets including Ellis.

[Bad Midget]

Lmao at what this thread is turning into. Bucks fans cry about bringing in a talent like Monta Ellis and want him gone ASAP and then cry when we ship out a borderline garbage man like Jon Leuer. Sometimes I seriously question the actual basketball knowledge of some posters. Add a big time scoring threat and hate life, ship out a garbage man for a solid center and hate life.

Agreed. 95% of this board thinks Monta Ellis sucks for some reason. People like to hate I guess.

[jakecronus8]

I like this trade. I love that Brockman is finally off the roster. Losing Leuer is a non-issue. The guy can't rebound and defend. He's got a nice stroke from the perimeter, but guys like that are dime a dozen. Livingston also sucked last year. We traded 3 scrubs for a legit 7-footer who can rebound and block shots. Gooden now will never play center again. We can continue grooming Sanders behind Dalembert and hopefully, if he shows enough this year in ~20 minutes or so, he'll start next year. Moving down from 12 to 14 just means that we're not going for Leonard/Zeller which is good news. We now have a spot open at back-up SG.

All of you who are unhappy because we didn't hit a home run are just being stupid. Not every move is going to have enormous implications. That doesn't mean that they're not worth doing just cause they're not a franchise changer. This was a small but important trade. It's a positive move for this franchise on any level. It's not like Daly has a long-term deal. He's an expiring contract. We also get a second rounder out of this.

Hammond still has A LOT of work left to do to atone for the hole he's put us in this, but this is definitely a step, albeit a very small one, in the right direction.

IMO, you're just being short sighted. This leads to a few more wins which just leads to more mediocrity again. Every off season there is a move like this that looks great but leads to more of the same. I bet we're in the same position again next year. Even if Dalembert performs well, we'll hold on to him and just miss the playoffs again. I'll make a sig/avatar bet with anyone that this team misses the playoffs barring an Ellis trade.

[LUKE23]

Ellis was .495 TS with league worst D at SG last year. Saying he sucked isn't hating.

[jakecronus8]

Lmao at what this thread is turning into. Bucks fans cry about bringing in a talent like Monta Ellis and want him gone ASAP and then cry when we ship out a borderline garbage man like Jon Leuer. Sometimes I seriously question the actual basketball knowledge of some posters. Add a big time scoring threat and hate life, ship out a garbage man for a solid center and hate life.

Agreed. 95% of this board thinks Monta Ellis sucks for some reason. People like to hate I guess.

That or 95% of this board watches basketball

[xTitan]

Dalembert also becomes a positive trade asset. The Bucks now have three veterans on expiring deals who play valuable roles (backup PG, backup C and wing scorer). It's entirely possible nothing happens with any of them but at least there's value and when trade talks come around during the season the Bucks can attempt to be a player in some fashion.

ETA - they actually have four potential trade assets including Ellis.

The odds of them not being in the hunt for an 8th playoff seed in the east is extremely remote. We all know that if they are sniffing the 8th spot no deals will be done and assets will walk.

[msiris]

Dalembert also becomes a positive trade asset. The Bucks now have three veterans on expiring deals who play valuable roles (backup PG, backup C and wing scorer). It's entirely possible nothing happens with any of them but at least there's value and when trade talks come around during the season the Bucks can attempt to be a player in some fashion.

ETA - they actually have four potential trade assets including Ellis.

Wasnt Ersan an expiring? Yet they did nothing, because they were chasing the 8th seed. If they are close to the 8th seed next year what makes you think they will trade anybody? I have no faith in the FO to do the right thing.

[europa]

I did say it's entirely possible nothing happens with all those expirings.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

This trade says that Houston has identified a particular player that they need to move up and draft, and we don't know the difference so we might as well drop down and take whoever's available.

[ajb905]

Can anyone post the bucks snippets of Hollingers breakdown of the trade