Trading the #2 pick - dicussion (merged)

serevei · Post #881 » by **serevei** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:35 pm

captaincrunk wrote:Didn't brad miller retire?

Not yet. (Is going to though)

If it doesn't work like that you'd just swap Miller for Webster seeing as his contract is unguaranteed also.

captaincrunk · Post #882 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:38 pm

It's just not worth it to us. I'd rather take 4 and 24 in this draft than 20 in next years draft + derrick williams

BlackOutBuzz · Post #883 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:41 pm

Wait, so both the Spurs AND the Thunder want him? Last I checked these teams are pretty good at evaluating prospects...

Ok, changed my mind. No more trade back, just draft Beal and try to buy a late first round pick (for maybe Hendo?) And even if we do decide to trade him, I'm now convinced we'll get a fantastic haul for him even if we facilitate a trade after taking him.

Kemba-Beal-Miller (Hendo trade)-Mullens-Biz with Gordon off the bench, not bad.

Bassman · Post #884 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:45 pm

I'm not interested in Harden. If Beal is that good we should just draft him and develop our own superstar! I'm not convinced we can resign him, as the team is going to be hurting without a signficant big added to help with rebounding and front line production. Also, how does that help our dearth at SF? Don't assume we could just trade Henderson...not for anything of the value we think we could get.

Stay the course...get true value...

Liver_Pooty · Post #885 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:47 pm

I don't even like Beal, but when teams like the Spurs begin to get interested I get very nervous.

Eoghan · Post #886 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:51 pm

I'm not crazy about Beal either but we might as well draft him if there's any truth to the matter that all these teams want him. Buy low, sell high.

serevei · Post #887 » by **serevei** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:51 pm

Aight thanks anyways guys guess I need to get my head out of the clouds :lol:

TheKingofSting · Post #888 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:26 am

Bassman wrote:I'm not interested in Harden. If Beal is that good we should just draft him and develop our own superstar! I'm not convinced we can resign him, as the team is going to be hurting without a signficant big added to help with rebounding and front line production. Also, how does that help our dearth at SF? Don't assume we could just trade Henderson...not for anything of the value we think we could get.

Stay the course...get true value...

That can be addressed in Free Agency, trade, buy another 1st round pick etc. Bottom line is Beal is clearly the BPA (at our pick) and all of these teams want him for a reason.

Liver_Pooty · Post #889 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:39 am

Chos philiosophy is draft talent, and trade for need. If he honestly believes Beal is the BPA (which if he does he has done a hell of a job not letting anyone know) than he should draft Beal, and try to flip Henderson for either another lottery pick or a SF.

amcoolio · Post #890 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:05 am

Would Washington or Cleveland be interested in Henderson and the 2 1sts (Detroit and Portland) for the 3rd or 4th pick? Then we could select Beal and MKG or Beal and Barnes

kbdiggity · Post #891 » by **kbdiggity** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:16 am

Beal seems to be the newest member of the NBA herd mentality club. Where teams start overhyping a kid and suddenly everyone has to have him. Here are the facts:

-He is undersized for a NBA shooting guard
-He shot just under 34% from the college 3pt line last season (2nd worst amongst guards/wings at UF last year)

I don't understand why teams are so in love with this kid.

TheKingofSting · Post #892 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:18 am

kbdiggity wrote:Beal seems to be the newest member of the NBA herd mentality club. Where teams start overhyping a kid and suddenly everyone has to have him. Here are the facts:

-He is undersized for a NBA shooting guard
-He shot just under 34% from the college 3pt line last season (2nd worst amongst guards/wings at UF last year)

I don't understand why teams are so in love with this kid.

Because he shot better as the year went on and had an outstanding shooting tournament season.

Bassman · Post #893 » by **Bassman** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:18 am

amcoolio wrote:Would Washington or Cleveland be interested in Henderson and the 2 1sts (Detroit and Portland) for the 3rd or 4th pick? Then we could select Beal and MKG or Beal and Barnes

I do not see Cho trading our future 1st round assets for other positions in this draft. His strategy is to accumulate assets to aquire greter value. I could see him seeking a deal with Denver to trade Henderson and an asset for Wilson Chandler, should we stay at 2 and draft Beal.

Come to think of it...perhaps the Gordon trade indicates they are targeting Beal unless they get a crazy great offer to trade down (as they are saying). Gordon is a solid veteran who could make Beal's transition into the star player much easier by mentoring and taking more minutes on nights Beal struggles.

Liver_Pooty · Post #894 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:19 am

amcoolio wrote:Would Washington or Cleveland be interested in Henderson and the 2 1sts (Detroit and Portland) for the 3rd or 4th pick? Then we could select Beal and MKG or Beal and Barnes

One could only wish.

ohara · Post #895 » by **ohara** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:52 am

Bonnell tweeted that from what he is hearing from other teams, the Cats are asking too high a price for #2. So it looks at this point they will pick #2. Now someone could get desperate and pay a fortune, or Cho could just take the best offer. But I dont want a trade merely for the sake of a trade. If we dont pick #2, it better be for a darn good trade. And with Cho in charge, I believe he will do the best thing for us.

Liver_Pooty · Post #896 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:56 am

Hes going to ask for a ton in return right now, and will continue to probably up until 20 or so minutes before the draft begins to try and call another teams bluff. He could eventually lower the asking price, but I hope he doesn't. Id rather sit at #2 and take the best player available than take a mediocre deal.

Although with all the trade hype the past couple weeks it would be a bummer, but would workout better in the long run I believe.

Bassman · Post #897 » by **Bassman** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:25 am

ohara wrote:Bonnell tweeted that from what he is hearing from other teams, the Cats are asking too high a price for #2. So it looks at this point they will pick #2. Now someone could get desperate and pay a fortune, or Cho could just take the best offer. But I dont want a trade merely for the sake of a trade. If we dont pick #2, it better be for a darn good trade. And with Cho in charge, I believe he will do the best thing for us.

Cho is a tough nut. He seemingly has held for advantage position or stayed still during his previous stints as well as here. Still, unless they have fallen in love with Beal, I can't see how they wouldn't find a way to make the deal with either the Wiz or Cleveland by taking the demand for Tyrus off the table.

Less than 20 hours till the draft. Should be an interesting time.

hhvo · Post #898 » by **hhvo** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:36 am

ohara wrote:Bonnell tweeted that from what he is hearing from other teams, the Cats are asking too high a price for #2. So it looks at this point they will pick #2. Now someone could get desperate and pay a fortune, or Cho could just take the best offer. But I dont want a trade merely for the sake of a trade. If we dont pick #2, it better be for a darn good trade. And with Cho in charge, I believe he will do the best thing for us.

Would anyone else be disappointed if we ended up keeping the pick and selecting Thor or MKG, knowing that they could be had at the 3 or 4. IMO I would be a little upset If we are picking one of the two why not get some asset in return.

Jaruff · Post #899 » by **Jaruff** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:39 am

I still think we'll see a trade but it's very likely the pick will be made and the trade will be announced later. Not only do you have teams interested now, you'll have some new teams interested on draft night.

Say we took Beal. Houston may fail in their quest for Dwight/someone but may want Beal as a consolation prize. 12/16/18 and Lowry would get it done.

Liver_Pooty · Post #900 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:39 am

Gilchrist probably wouldn't be there at 4. Cavs select Beal, Wizards select Gilchrist, we take Robinson if the Cavs trade was to go through.

Im a fan of Gilchrist, and wouldn't be upset to see us take him at 2 at all.

Trade pick for players, trade for picks or keep it?