OT: Morey doin work

[ibraheim718]

Wait, so could they be making a play for both Dwight and Deron?

Morey seems adept at making moves to create the flexibility for major recruitments. However, he's yet to prove any kind of ability as a successful recruiter. The only way he gets totally f*ked here is if he dumps all his hard-earned assets on Dwight who then refuses to sign an extension.

Even if he strikes out on Dwight and/or Deron, Morey still wins because this roster is absolutely stacked with cap room, expiring contracts, young players (lowry & dragic), rookie contracts, and draft picks.

Not gonna lie, as a Knick fan I'm kind of jealous. Then again, I'd rather be a New Yorker and live in cap hell then ever live in Houston or be a Rocket fan.

Okay... you don't win championships with cap room, expiring contracts, young players, rookie contracts and draft picks. You win championships by going over the cap, star players, contracts that aren't just on the team because they're expiring, experienced players, and no draft picks in the first round. It's been that way in the NBA for a long, long time.

[GONYK]

Wait, so could they be making a play for both Dwight and Deron?

Morey seems adept at making moves to create the flexibility for major recruitments. However, he's yet to prove any kind of ability as a successful recruiter. The only way he gets totally f*ked here is if he dumps all his hard-earned assets on Dwight who then refuses to sign an extension.

Even if he strikes out on Dwight and/or Deron, Morey still wins because this roster is absolutely stacked with cap room, expiring contracts, young players (lowry & dragic), rookie contracts, and draft picks.

Not gonna lie, as a Knick fan I'm kind of jealous. Then again, I'd rather be a New Yorker and live in cap hell then ever live in Houston or be a Rocket fan.

At what point do you put a product on the floor that wins games?

I'll tell you as a Houston Rockets season ticket holder, Morey's act is wearing thin with the fans here.

[god shammgod]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud. and they probably won't even get him.

[GONYK]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud.

Everyone here is ignoring that Morey pulled his cheeks apart and begged Denver to screw them in a trade for Melo. Good thing Denver wasn't allowed to take the call.

[Fat Kat]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud. and they probably won't even get him.

Could've picked the posters to the man, who'd be drooling over Morey's genius.

[ibraheim718]

Wait, so could they be making a play for both Dwight and Deron?

Morey seems adept at making moves to create the flexibility for major recruitments. However, he's yet to prove any kind of ability as a successful recruiter. The only way he gets totally f*ked here is if he dumps all his hard-earned assets on Dwight who then refuses to sign an extension.

Even if he strikes out on Dwight and/or Deron, Morey still wins because this roster is absolutely stacked with cap room, expiring contracts, young players (lowry & dragic), rookie contracts, and draft picks.

Not gonna lie, as a Knick fan I'm kind of jealous. Then again, I'd rather be a New Yorker and live in cap hell then ever live in Houston or be a Rocket fan.

At what point do you put a product on the floor that wins games?

I'll tell you as a Houston Rockets season ticket holder, Morey's act is wearing thin with the fans here.

I'm sure you can get away with what he's doing in a smaller market where they haven't had the chance to feel what a championship feels like. Like one of the expansion teams... but the Rockets have won before it hasn't been too long since they have won. They want some continuity and a winner.

[ibraheim718]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud. and they probably won't even get him.

Could've picked the posters to the man, who'd be drooling over Morey's genius.

Convinced they like playing GM more than they like basketball.

[cgmw]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud. and they probably won't even get him.

Come on, now. I didn't say a damn word about Carmelo. The point is we've never had this kind of flexibility. What would happen if you put a roster in MSG with a clear deck and nothing but rookie contracts and first round picks? We'd get a whole lot more than what we have now, that's what. LeBron notwithstanding, recruiting isn't our problem. If we had this kind of roster in 2010, we would have had a lot more to offer LeBron, that's for sure. Not that I want that piece of sh*t. Anyway. It's not a dig at Carmelo to say I wish the Knicks had the kind of roster flex as Morey's rockets. We'd kill it with recruiting in a way Morey will never be able to.

[GONYK]

Wait, so could they be making a play for both Dwight and Deron?

Morey seems adept at making moves to create the flexibility for major recruitments. However, he's yet to prove any kind of ability as a successful recruiter. The only way he gets totally f*ked here is if he dumps all his hard-earned assets on Dwight who then refuses to sign an extension.

Even if he strikes out on Dwight and/or Deron, Morey still wins because this roster is absolutely stacked with cap room, expiring contracts, young players (lowry & dragic), rookie contracts, and draft picks.

Not gonna lie, as a Knick fan I'm kind of jealous. Then again, I'd rather be a New Yorker and live in cap hell then ever live in Houston or be a Rocket fan.

At what point do you put a product on the floor that wins games?

I'll tell you as a Houston Rockets season ticket holder, Morey's act is wearing thin with the fans here.

I'm sure you can get away with what he's doing in a smaller market where they haven't had the chance to feel what a championship feels like. Like one of the expansion teams... but the Rockets have won before it hasn't been too long since they have won. They want some continuity and a winner.

It's gotten to the point that in the presentation they play on the jumbotron before starting lineups are announced, they show old clips of the 94-95' Rocket teams instead of any of the current players.

That is what happens when your team has nothing worth being excited about.

[GONYK]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud. and they probably won't even get him.

Come on, now. I didn't say a damn word about Carmelo. The point is we've never had this kind of flexibility. What would happen if you put a roster in MSG with a clear deck and nothing but rookie contracts and first round picks? We'd get a whole lot more than what we have now, that's what. LeBron notwithstanding, recruiting isn't our problem. If we had this kind of roster in 2010, we would have had a lot more to offer LeBron, that's for sure. Not that I want that piece of sh*t. Anyway. It's not a dig at Carmelo to say I wish the Knicks had the kind of roster flex as Morey's rockets. We'd kill it with recruiting in a way Morey will never be able to.

We had flexibility and we cashed it in for Melo.

That is exactly what Morey wanted to do with his flexibility as well.

But you're right, we can do more with that clout that Houston can ever hope to.

[Fat Kat]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud. and they probably won't even get him.

Come on, now. I didn't say a damn word about Carmelo. The point is we've never had this kind of flexibility. What would happen if you put a roster in MSG with a clear deck and nothing but rookie contracts and first round picks? We'd get a whole lot more than what we have now, that's what. LeBron notwithstanding, recruiting isn't our problem. If we had this kind of roster in 2010, we would have had a lot more to offer LeBron, that's for sure. Not that I want that piece of sh*t. Anyway. It's not a dig at Carmelo to say I wish the Knicks had the kind of roster flex as Morey's rockets. We'd kill it with recruiting in a way Morey will never be able to.

Who could we have had? I'm very curious.

[ibraheim718]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud. and they probably won't even get him.

Come on, now. I didn't say a damn word about Carmelo. The point is we've never had this kind of flexibility. What would happen if you put a roster in MSG with a clear deck and nothing but rookie contracts and first round picks? We'd get a whole lot more than what we have now, that's what. LeBron notwithstanding, recruiting isn't our problem. If we had this kind of roster in 2010, we would have had a lot more to offer LeBron, that's for sure. Not that I want that piece of sh*t. Anyway. It's not a dig at Carmelo to say I wish the Knicks had the kind of roster flex as Morey's rockets. We'd kill it with recruiting in a way Morey will never be able to.

How can you say this with such certainty when it simply not true? you're rolling the dice and leaving way more to chance the way several bottom feeder teams have been doing for years.

[Kampuchea]

Morey is doing a great job making trades that have minimal impact on the team winning more games

[god shammgod]

this thread is comedy. jealous of houston ? houston is jealous of the player you have. houston would give you a **** load of those assets if you sent them melo. their back up plan to dwight, who aint gonna resign there, is josh smith for crying out loud. and they probably won't even get him.

Come on, now. I didn't say a damn word about Carmelo. The point is we've never had this kind of flexibility. What would happen if you put a roster in MSG with a clear deck and nothing but rookie contracts and first round picks? We'd get a whole lot more than what we have now, that's what. LeBron notwithstanding, recruiting isn't our problem. If we had this kind of roster in 2010, we would have had a lot more to offer LeBron, that's for sure. Not that I want that piece of sh*t. Anyway. It's not a dig at Carmelo to say I wish the Knicks had the kind of roster flex as Morey's rockets. We'd kill it with recruiting in a way Morey will never be able to.

if the money is the same everywhere, guys wanna go where they have a chance to compete. even new york is not above being rejected for that. the rockets are f*cked. they're in limbo. players don't care about assets or flexibility. they don't wanna be sold possibilities. nobody is rushing to play with kevin martin, luis scola and draft picks. if houston already had an all star, another one might want to go there. but they don't so they're unattractive. that's why they're so desperate for one. if they can't get one, back to the draft and roll the dice which doesn't always work out too well.

[cgmw]

We had to mortgage so much to get to the point where we had cap space for Amar'e that other (read: better) free agents wouldn't sign. Then, while still working from a deficit, we mortgaged even more to get Carmelo.

The Rockets have a clean slate, draft picks, and young assets like we haven't had since God knows when. For people asking "who would we get" I'm pretty sure the answer this year would be at least Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, probably. If we had it in 2010, I wouldn't be surprised if we got LeBron. If we had it in 2011, we could have traded for Carmelo and STILL had room to maneuver for somebody better than Amar'e to join him -- CP3 comes to mind.

I dont' understand anybody who bad mouths cap flexibility, young assets, and a ton of draft picks. Sorry, makes no sense to me. Knicks franchise would be way better off building this way even if it meant 5 years of mediocrity and playing 90s highlights on the jumbotron (oh wait, we've already had that for 13 years).

[god shammgod]

We had to mortgage so much to get to the point where we had cap space for Amar'e that other (read: better) free agents wouldn't sign. Then, while still working from a deficit, we mortgaged even more to get Carmelo.

The Rockets have a clean slate, draft picks, and young assets like we haven't had since God knows when. For people asking "who would we get" I'm pretty sure the answer this year would be at least Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, probably. If we had it in 2010, I wouldn't be surprised if we got LeBron. If we had it in 2011, we could have traded for Carmelo and STILL had room to maneuver for somebody better than Amar'e to join him -- CP3 comes to mind.

I dont' understand anybody who bad mouths cap flexibility, young assets, and a ton of draft picks. Sorry, makes no sense to me. Knicks franchise would be way better off building this way even if it meant 5 years of mediocrity and playing 90s highlights on the jumbotron (oh wait, we've already had that for 13 years).

lebron rejected us because we weren't competitive enough, not because we didn't have flexibility. he went to play with the best player available for him to play with. dwayne wade or draft picks, who should i choose ? hmmmm.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

We had to mortgage so much to get to the point where we had cap space for Amar'e that other (read: better) free agents wouldn't sign. Then, while still working from a deficit, we mortgaged even more to get Carmelo.

The Rockets have a clean slate, draft picks, and young assets like we haven't had since God knows when. For people asking "who would we get" I'm pretty sure the answer this year would be at least Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, probably. If we had it in 2010, I wouldn't be surprised if we got LeBron. If we had it in 2011, we could have traded for Carmelo and STILL had room to maneuver for somebody better than Amar'e to join him -- CP3 comes to mind.

I dont' understand anybody who bad mouths cap flexibility, young assets, and a ton of draft picks. Sorry, makes no sense to me. Knicks franchise would be way better off building this way even if it meant 5 years of mediocrity and playing 90s highlights on the jumbotron (oh wait, we've already had that for 13 years).

We did stockpile assets. What do you call Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Douglas, Moz, Anthony Randolph, and Felton?

[cgmw]

We had to mortgage so much to get to the point where we had cap space for Amar'e that other (read: better) free agents wouldn't sign. Then, while still working from a deficit, we mortgaged even more to get Carmelo.

The Rockets have a clean slate, draft picks, and young assets like we haven't had since God knows when. For people asking "who would we get" I'm pretty sure the answer this year would be at least Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, probably. If we had it in 2010, I wouldn't be surprised if we got LeBron. If we had it in 2011, we could have traded for Carmelo and STILL had room to maneuver for somebody better than Amar'e to join him -- CP3 comes to mind.

I dont' understand anybody who bad mouths cap flexibility, young assets, and a ton of draft picks. Sorry, makes no sense to me. Knicks franchise would be way better off building this way even if it meant 5 years of mediocrity and playing 90s highlights on the jumbotron (oh wait, we've already had that for 13 years).

lebron rejected us because we weren't competitive enough, not because we didn't have flexibility. he went to play with the best player available for him to play with. dwayne wade or draft picks, who should i choose ? hmmmm.

Houston has the flexibility to sign multiple max players. That's why they call it flexibility. My opinion is that LeBron rejected NY because psychologically, he's a weakling. But in theory, given true flexibility (as opposed to the mortgage-the-future, dig-ourselves-out-of-Isiah flexibility that Walsh was working with), the Knicks could have offered LeBron a lot more than the pieces we had in 2010.

The fact is New York is a destination players want, and that matters. Flexibility doesn't mean sh*t if you can't recruit. New York recruits. If we had true flexibility and loaded draft picks, we would be in the running for every star player in the league when they came available. Not many franchises have that as an asset. We do, yet we don't use it.

Hence I'm a little jealous of what Morey is doing down in Houston (even though they can't recruit like we can.) Put that same roster in NY, and every headline right now would be about Dwight & Deron in MSG. Two years ago, and it would be CP3 & Melo. Yes, we got Melo. But because of our LACK OF FLEXIBILITY the rest of our roster suffered and is still suffering.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

The main reason we didn't have more assets going in to 2010 is because we never tanked. So it's odd that you're using Houston as an example, given that they are the most egregious offenders of failing to properly tank.

[ibraheim718]

How does this guy not comprehend we just had flexibility and it netted us one player that Morey wanted.

If we didn't have the flexibility he's describing how did we end up with Chandler, Amar'e and Melo?

And explain to me how the team is suffering? These guys are here for next season and two years after that and that's it. We still have a 1st rounder in 2014.. we got the rights for Jeremy Lin for nothing a PLAYER MOREY HAD!!!! And didn't want. I don't see the suffering..