2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

magicman123 · Post #1321 » by **magicman123** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:44 am

well hes not a good free throw shooter, he cant shoot from the outside, he can be turnover prone, and isn't a great defender, obviously the anxiety, airplane etc was sarcasm

its impressive he lead his team in all those stats, but lets not forget he is a 21 years old, he lead his team with a whopping 0.9blcks, 1.2stls and scored 13pts

his passing ability is whats impressive

Skin · Post #1322 » by **Skin** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:56 am

magicman123 wrote:well hes not a good free throw shooter, he cant shoot from the outside, he can be turnover prone, and isn't a great defender, obviously the anxiety, airplane etc was sarcasm

its impressive he lead his team in all those stats, but lets not forget he is a 21 years old, he lead his team with a whopping 0.9blcks, 1.2stls and scored 13pts

his passing ability is whats impressive

Went back and looked at his game log and yeaaaaah... i'm kinda scratching my head over his range, though he does seem to have the right mechanics to eventually be long ranger shooter... he just isn't right now. That said, the thing this team has consistenty lacked is an iso guy who could break down his defender and score inside. I'm tired of the guys who constantly settle for jump shots.

Nyce_1 · Post #1323 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:33 am

We need a player with high IQ.

dsg2021 · Post #1324 » by **dsg2021** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:33 am

Look, drafting BPA is always the way to go, I get that. But there is a lot of BPA PF's in 19 range and we're loaded at PF with Ryno, BBD, Harper and Clark. We need to trade two of them to give this BPA PF any time to shine and show something. And I don't buy these tweeners are natural SF's, I want our pick to be in his position forever so he doesn't have to dumb down his game. This is why I go back to Miller, even tho he's 6'10, he's a lotttt more inclined as a natural SF. And I'd argue he is BPA because of the acl injury ruining his hype unlike the non injured PF's. An injury that is getting older and older so Miller is gaining athleticism again I imagine, which with his height at SF and his handles, seems like a huge steal. I'd remind that Hollinger's draft rater is top 5 high on Miller and has shown better results than many actual draft player results in league play.

Skin · Post #1325 » by **Skin** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:44 am

dsg2021 wrote:Look, drafting BPA is always the way to go, I get that. But there is a lot of BPA PF's in 19 range and we're loaded at PF with Ryno, BBD, Harper and Clark. We need to trade two of them to give this BPA PF any time to shine and show something. And I don't buy these tweeners are natural SF's, I want our pick to be in his position forever so he doesn't have to dumb down his game. This is why I go back to Miller, even tho he's 6'10, he's a lotttt more inclined as a natural SF. And I'd argue he is BPA because of the acl injury ruining his hype unlike the non injured PF's. An injury that is getting older and older so Miller is gaining athleticism again I imagine, which with his height at SF and his handles, seems like a huge steal. I'd remind that Hollinger's draft rater is top 5 high on Miller and has shown better results than many actual draft player results in league play.

I'd be thrilled with Miller. I really think his personality would mesh well with Baby and Dwight too. From the video's I've seen he has a happy go lucky, yet very confident and serious attitude.

Would fit like a glove.

magicman123 · Post #1326 » by **magicman123** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:44 am

Skin wrote:
magicman123 wrote:well hes not a good free throw shooter, he cant shoot from the outside, he can be turnover prone, and isn't a great defender, obviously the anxiety, airplane etc was sarcasm

its impressive he lead his team in all those stats, but lets not forget he is a 21 years old, he lead his team with a whopping 0.9blcks, 1.2stls and scored 13pts

his passing ability is whats impressive

Went back and looked at his game log and yeaaaaah... i'm kinda scratching my head over his range, though he does seem to have the right mechanics to eventually be long ranger shooter... he just isn't right now. That said, the thing this team has consistenty lacked is an iso guy who could break down his defender and score inside. I'm tired of the guys who constantly settle for jump shots.

yes i agree 100%, we need players that can attack the paint and not settle for jumpers

i think he will end up being a solid mid range shooter, but im not too sure about the 3pt shooting (which i dont mind)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iwSkq4ex-Q[/youtube]

he reminds me of dwight shooting a three :wink:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4a0bMDj76Q[/youtube]

Truth24 · Post #1327 » by **Truth24** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:41 am

magicman123 wrote:well hes not a good free throw shooter, he cant shoot from the outside, he can be turnover prone, and isn't a great defender, obviously the anxiety, airplane etc was sarcasm

its impressive he lead his team in all those stats, but lets not forget he is a 21 years old, he lead his team with a whopping 0.9blcks, 1.2stls and scored 13pts

his passing ability is whats impressive

Royce isn't a great shooter but he does have good form which is important when you are working on your shooting. The thing to keep in mind is that he also started to shoot better as the season went on which is good. I'm not worried abotu him being that turnover prone because he was the main ball handler and creator at Iowa State on a roster with little talent. So yeah he turned the ball over a little trying to do to much but he still managed to have better A/T ratio. I doubt we are going to find a great defender at 19 unless we draft a specialist but again White is a good defender.

It is impressive to lead your team in all stats no matter the age which isn't that old and it really doesn't matter that he didn't average LeBron type of numbers. What is important is to look at his numbers vs elite teams and then come talk to me.

Last game vs Kentucky going against the #1 pick in the draft.

Royce White: 23 points (9-12), 9 reb, 4 ast, 1 blk, 3 stl, 5 pf, 3 to

First game of the tournament

Royce White: 15 points (6-9), 13 reb, 2 ast, 1 blk, 2 pf, 1 to

Royce White is the type of player this team needs, when he goes against lower teams he becomes more of a distributor and role player. Yet when he plays top talent teams he becomes the scorer the teams needs and steps his game up. Royce did things to Anthony Davis that no other player did, so yeah if Royce is around at 19 I would like him on this team.

drsd · Post #1328 » by **drsd** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:23 am

If the rumors are true, a number of players look to slide to #19. Rumored names include Kendall Marshall and Jared Sullinger. If these sorts of guys are likely available, then I see no reason for the Magic GM to trade away the #19. Yes a higher pick as an addition would be nice. If Philly wants their local hero and wish to pair salary with the move of Brand, then Nelson (SnT) and Anderson (SnT) for Holiday, Brand, and #15 is the start of a reasonable package. If Meyers Leonard is still on the board, this could be very nice for Orlando.

Orlando could then start into the FA period as:
Holiday/Marshall/Smith
Richardson-2/Redick
Turkoglu/Richardson-1/Liggins
Davis/Brand/Clark/Harper
Howard/Leonard

A Richardson or two could be flipped with Clark into a younger wing player.

This is a 45+ win team, but not a Championship contender. But there is an interesting core in Marshall, Redick, Davis, Howard, and Leonard. Add Harper, Smith, and Liggins to this list and it is clear that Orlando would be a very young team.

Skin · Post #1329 » by **Skin** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:26 am

Been going back and forth on my preferences... I really can't make up my mind... I think I'm going to have to go with my first gut at the beginning of this offseason which was Terence Jones. But I dunno... if PJ3 can shake those motor questions, he easily has the highest upside... White is a truck and Q-Miller is so smoooth! I can't make up my mind! Heck, I even hate passing on Harkless if he is there.

I guess if put to the fire, I'd go

1. Perry Jones - Highest upside, shouldn't be available.
2. Terence Jones - No weakness, fierceness to his game.
3. Quincy Miller - So smooth, personality fits this team.
4. Moe Harkless - High floor, can count on his defense.
5. Royce White - Get that shooting fixed and he'd beast.

WillyJakkz · Post #1330 » by **WillyJakkz** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:28 am

I almost pissed myself reading that.

What makes you think Philly would trade Holiday, expiring Brand, AND #15 for Jameer and Ryno who btw would have to be double S&T'ed.

Anyway,

How you guys feel about Sullinger?

SolidSnake008 · Post #1331 » by **SolidSnake008** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:39 am

WillyJakkz wrote::lol: I almost pissed myself reading that.

What makes you think Philly would trade Holiday, expiring Brand, AND #15 for Jameer and Ryno who btw would have to be double S&T'ed.

Anyway,

How you guys feel about Sullinger?

Don't need Sullinger as it feels like Big Baby is sticking around.....

WillyJakkz · Post #1332 » by **WillyJakkz** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:46 am

SolidSnake008 wrote:
WillyJakkz wrote::lol: I almost pissed myself reading that.

What makes you think Philly would trade Holiday, expiring Brand, AND #15 for Jameer and Ryno who btw would have to be double S&T'ed.

Anyway,

How you guys feel about Sullinger?

Don't need Sullinger as it feels like Big Baby is sticking around.....

Maybe, maybe not.

I'm thinking more or less Baby or Ryno won't be here next season.

I'm stuck on Terrence Ross but that's definitely looking like a pipe dream so I'd be happy w/ PJIII or Terrence Jones in that order.

Royce White seems like he wouldn't be a bad player but a bad fit for this team cause he seems like the type of guy who needs the rock to be effective in a game and I'd preferably like to run the O thru Dwight if he's here.

Truth24 · Post #1333 » by **Truth24** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:46 am

WillyJakkz wrote::lol: I almost pissed myself reading that.

What makes you think Philly would trade Holiday, expiring Brand, AND #15 for Jameer and Ryno who btw would have to be double S&T'ed.

Anyway,

How you guys feel about Sullinger?

I'm really high on Sullinger and if he is on board when we pick I would have no problem adding him to our roster. I think people look to much into our power forward depth without realizing that we could be thin really quick. If someone offers a huge amount to Anderson and Earl opts out, all we have is BBD and Harper which makes that position a little thin.

Sully has issues but with his great back to the basket game and the fact that he does have range makes the selection a lot easier. Although I do have to say if White or Perry on also there I wouldn't take him over those two.

WillyJakkz · Post #1334 » by **WillyJakkz** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:06 am

PerryJonesIII wrote:
WillyJakkz wrote::lol: I almost pissed myself reading that.

What makes you think Philly would trade Holiday, expiring Brand, AND #15 for Jameer and Ryno who btw would have to be double S&T'ed.

Anyway,

How you guys feel about Sullinger?

I'm really high on Sullinger and if he is on board when we pick I would have no problem adding him to our roster. I think people look to much into our power forward depth without realizing that we could be thin really quick. If someone offers a huge amount to Anderson and Earl opts out, all we have is BBD and Harper which makes that position a little thin.

Sully has issues but with his great back to the basket game and the fact that he does have range makes the selection a lot easier. Although I do have to say if White or Perry on also there I wouldn't take him over those two.

I think Sullinger is gonna be an excellent player, an underrated guy simply because he's not a highlight reel kind of guy, like a Zach Randolph.

He'd be a nice compliment to D12 and I think he'd actually get in there and rebound and be a much better defender at his position than he's gotten credit to for.

Definitely will have a chip on his shoulder about falling in the Draft and not even being invited to the Green Room.

*credit to for???

Man this freakin' autofill on this tablet is pissing me off.

The Real Dalic · Post #1335 » by **The Real Dalic** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:18 am

Just 16 more hours.

dsg2021 · Post #1336 » by **dsg2021** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:19 am

Sullinger looks like he has the same weight/body type of Z-Bo. I'd even dare say his offense sounds similar/versatile like him too.

I don't buy that we just let Clark go tho, he can opt out but we'd still be in the driver's seat in getting him back, even more so than usual if he sees Ryno let go/Snt'ed. I still see the PF slot in this order, Ryan, BBD, Clark, Harper, and maybe Sullinger, Jones, Moultrie getting ahead of Harper, Clark in the rotation and maybe Nicholson too.

Still, like I said 2-3 posts above on the same page. I take Quincy Miller everytime (unless JJ Redick is directing our draft and Beal falls all the way to #19 :lol:

). Worst case scenario is Hennigan sees someone he likes more still available at 19, then Miller somehow drops to 28, and Hennigan buys the 28 from OKC with 3mil and future 2nd rounders to select Miller. I hope Hennigan pulls off something like that.

The Effect · Post #1337 » by **The Effect** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:30 am

Looking around the web, i keep seeing us taking Andrew Nicholson and that we are actually high on him. Looked him up on DX and see "Best Case: Ryan Anderson", watch some clips of him, and i see where they got that comparison, BUT that begs the question, why the hell would we want him if we already the best case scenario of his?? Also, isnt he an exact clone of Harper??

Ahmadab · Post #1338 » by **Ahmadab** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:09 am

How about some last minute predictions ?

Who i want us to draft : Perry Jones III
Who i think we will draft : Kendall Marshall

bigmoe1952 · Post #1339 » by **bigmoe1952** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:02 am

Just for discussion sake, let's say Houston is able to secure a TOP 5 (2,3,4, OR 5) pick and they do make a trade with the Magic for Dwight (chill out some of you, this is hypothetical). If you are the Magic, who do you draft with that pick. If it's #4 or 5 I would like to see Lillard. If it happens, who would you like to see the Magic take with the pick?

bigmoe1952 · Post #1340 » by **bigmoe1952** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:13 am

Ahmadab wrote:How about some last minute predictions ?

Who i want us to draft : Perry Jones III
Who i think we will draft : Kendall Marshall

If they stay at 19, maybe Teague? I think they go PG or SG. A lot depends on what they know about Dwight. If they are planning on Dwight leaving, they probably get a big man. PJ3, if available?

Who would you like to see the Magic draft ?