#12, Brockman, Leuer, SL for #14, Dalembert

[JoeJohnson2two]

Id trade Monta to get a SG and draft Sullinger at 14.

Yuck. Sullinger is going to be a terrible pro. He's unathletic and undersized. Not good for a 4/5.

[theFireBlanket]

just trade 14/luc for Ross and be done with it

You're obsessed with giving him away. Why's that?

[Bernman]

Can anyone post the bucks snippets of Hollingers breakdown of the trade

"From Milwaukee's end, it's hard to argue with this one. Despite moving down in the draft, one can argue this trade will result in a better player. The Bucks felt tremendous pressure to reach for a center like Meyers Leonard or Tyler Zeller at No. 12, but now that they have one, they can go back to a "best player available" mentality.

Hollinger plucking info straight from the RealGM Bucks forum after he found out about the deal. C'mon, John, how do you feel about the trade?

They wouldn't have been reaching by taking Leonard at 12. And they still may well select him at 14 as they've drafted the same position as a veteran they've acquired pre-draft 2 out of the last 4 years.

If you look at Hollinger's Draft Rater lists through the years they are kind of goofy. For example in 2008 he thought Beasley was BY FAR the best player in that draft and Rose wasn't even the best point guard.

2009 he had Lawson #1, Daye #4, Calathes #6, and DeRozan #54.

There's a smidgen of little cleo to it.

[jimmybones]

I don't mind the trade- but for the lulz, and since it's the Bucks, I predict Waiters goes 13 and becomes DWade 2.0

[Bernman]

Id trade Monta to get a SG and draft Sullinger at 14.

Yuck. Sullinger is going to be a terrible pro. He's unathletic and undersized. Not good for a 4/5.

It's a myth that he's undersized. He's the same height as Kevin Love and has a wingspan that's a couple inches wider. In conjunction with the way he can move opposing bigs with his girth he's far from undersized.

As for his athleticism, it's below average but not terrible. He's got good footwork and he can dunk a ball off a catch better than Ersan.

I'd be fine with taking Sullinger at 14 provided his back problems aren't chronic or severe. He'd be a great risk for anyone in the late teens early 20's. Like Givony illustrated, medical red flags are usually overemphasized.

[JoeJohnson2two]

It's a myth that he's undersized. He's the same height as Kevin Love and has a wingspan that's a couple inches wider. In conjunction with the way he can move opposing bigs with his girth he's far from undersized.

As for his athleticism, it's below average but not terrible. He's got good footwork and he can dunk a ball off a catch better than Ersan.

Love is undersized. He makes up for it by being the smartest player on the court 95% of the time. Sullinger won't even sniff Kevin Love's ability. He's DeJuan Blair all over again and that's his ceiling.

I wouldn't even take him with the 42nd pick, let alone #14.

[europa]

I would be mildly surprised if Sullinger was the pick. I know the Bucks liked him at one point. Not sure if that feeling has changed since all the back stuff came out. He's not the guy I want but I think he's going to be a good pro. As I've posted about him before, he flat-out knows how to score and that's a valuable commodity in the NBA. If you're expecting Ilyasova to walk and you have Moute and Dalembert currently pegged as starters up front, you could make a compelling argument that Sullinger's offense would look good next to them.

Again, that's not the way I'd go and I don't think that's what the Bucks will do but I wouldn't consider it coming out of left field were it to happen.

[El Duderino]

The worst thing about this trade for me is that Dalembert makes the team marginally better next year, especially by removing Gooden from center.

So if Ersan does get resigned and with decent health next year, i see this trade increasing the odds that the Bucks could potentially land a 7th or 8th seed, which would then significantly increase the odds of Kohl giving Hammond an extension.

Now that would be a bigger disaster than anything else i could envision, Hammond getting another 2-3 years to stutter and stammer around while chasing 8th seeds each year.

[Bernman]

It's a myth that he's undersized. He's the same height as Kevin Love and has a wingspan that's a couple inches wider. In conjunction with the way he can move opposing bigs with his girth he's far from undersized.

As for his athleticism, it's below average but not terrible. He's got good footwork and he can dunk a ball off a catch better than Ersan.

Love is undersized. He makes up for it by being the smartest player on the court 95% of the time. Sullinger won't even sniff Kevin Love's ability. He's DeJuan Blair all over again and that's his ceiling.

I wouldn't even take him with the 42nd pick, let alone #14.

I provided facts to back up my statement, you provided a baseless assertion.

You think he's the smartest player on the court 95% of the time but wouldn't even take him at 42. That doesn't even make sense.

The vitriol toward Sullinger around Wisconsin is hilarious.

[JoeJohnson2two]

It's a myth that he's undersized. He's the same height as Kevin Love and has a wingspan that's a couple inches wider. In conjunction with the way he can move opposing bigs with his girth he's far from undersized.

As for his athleticism, it's below average but not terrible. He's got good footwork and he can dunk a ball off a catch better than Ersan.

Love is undersized. He makes up for it by being the smartest player on the court 95% of the time. Sullinger won't even sniff Kevin Love's ability. He's DeJuan Blair all over again and that's his ceiling.

I wouldn't even take him with the 42nd pick, let alone #14.

I provided facts to back up my statement, you provided a baseless assertion.

You think he's the smartest player on the court 95% of the time but wouldn't even take him at 42. That doesn't even make sense.

The vitriol toward Sullinger around Wisconsin is hilarious.

lol I was talking about Kevin Love there bud. Reading comprehension fail. Oh and I'm not a Wisconsin fan either. I just dislike Sullinger as a pro prospect. He IS undersized in the fact that he's not athletic enough to be a 4 and he's not tall/long enough to be a 5. He's AT BEST an unathletic Paul Millsap and that's with EVERYTHING going his way. He got eaten alive by Thomas Robinson in the Final Four and was owned by Draymond Green in all three meetings with Sparty (look at his shooting percentage). He's not going to be a good pro and wouldn't help this team in the least bit. Oh, he also can't play a lick of defense. He's Drew Gooden all over again.

[Bernman]

lol I was talking about Kevin Love there bud. Reading comprehension fail. Oh and I'm not a Wisconsin fan either. I just dislike Sullinger as a pro prospect. He IS undersized in the fact that he's not athletic enough to be a 4 and he's not tall/long enough to be a 5. He's AT BEST an unathletic Paul Millsap and that's with EVERYTHING going his way. He got eaten alive by Thomas Robinson in the Final Four and was owned by Draymond Green in all three meetings with Sparty (look at his shooting percentage). He's not going to be a good pro and wouldn't help this team in the least bit. Oh, he also can't play a lick of defense. He's Drew Gooden all over again.

I guess. I read it quickly. Reading comprehension fail? More like reading shortcut fail because I don't want to read much of your drivel and Love and Sullinger share a lot of the same attributes

You still didn't back up that the height/wingspan measured at the combine constituted being undersized. That was actually a bad measurement for him. He had measured 6'10" in shoes before. I presume he couldn't stand fully straight because of the back issues.

Drew Gooden is an ironic comparison because Sullinger has a good basketball I.Q. (like Love in that way) while Gooden's biggest issue is he's terrible in that department.

[El Duderino]

Great job by Hammond cleaning up Larry Harris's Livingston, Brockman and Leuer blunders.

Michael Hunt will soon be writing a glowing column about trader John, full of typical Hunt contradictions and nonsense about why Hammond is a keeper.

[Kerb Hohl]

The gem of last year's trade is already gone..

[Kerb Hohl]

Great job by Hammond cleaning up Larry Harris's Livingston, Brockman and Leuer blunders.

Michael Hunt will soon be writing a glowing column about trader John, full of typical Hunt contradictions and nonsense about why Hammond is a keeper.

"John Hammond set out and finally filled the void that Larry Harris left -- finding a big man."

[mattg]

Sully is just as bad as gooden defensively. Teams will put sully in a ball screen every time down the floor because he has trouble moving his feet defensively. He can't effectively hedge and usually just concedes the wide open mid range pull up to the guard. He also provides no rim protection in terms of shotblocking.

Offensively he's got good touch and can shoot it decently. He has a few post moves but really struggles to execute against defenders with length.

Physically, he's got issues. I think it's laughable to compare him and love. Love is a vastly superior athlete(even when he was a prospect) who got doubted because he was white. Sullinger gets doubted because he looks unathletic in games and then tests horribly.

I don't know how people can't see sully turning out gooden-esque. You can't even make an argument that Sullinger will ever be better than mediocre defensively even in a best case scenario. Offensively he projects as a pick n pop guy who can score a bit down low. How is that any different from gooden, skilled PF with range who is bad defensively.

[LUKE23]

I can't even call Sullinger a below average athlete. He's a terrible one. One of the worst athletic test showings in history, from what I've read. And that meshes with the eye test. I want nothing to do with him.

[-Jragon-]

I think the plan is to not resign Ersan and groom Udoh as the PF. Then following the Thunder mold you have SD as your Perkins, Udoh is Ibaka (to fix the mess up of not drafting him), Either Jennings or Ellis (whoever we don't trade) will have to be Westbrook and the rest of the draft and free agents money is going to get young, athletic 2's and 3's. I don't see us retaining Ersan or keeping both electricity twins; one will be traded and the other should start at PG. Ellis would most likely be traded (unfortunatly IMO) because he has more perceived value around the league and may not like playing PG. Sanders and LRM are career backups IMO, also.

[europa]

I think Sanders has a better chance to be a Poor Man's Ibaka than Udoh does.

[Baddy Chuck]

There is literally no way you can compare us to the Thunder model right now. None.

[-Jragon-]

If Ellis has expressed a willingness to play PG and work on it, I wouldn't be surprised if today is Jennings' last day as a Buck. He's made it pretty clear that he wants a bigger market and John is working to extend Ellis already.