Waiters?

kd35sneighbor · Post #21 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:38 am

This is the first time I learned that Chris Grant was the GM in Atlanta and the one who took Marvin Williams.

No wonder.

Why do people have faith in this guy at all? I don't get it.

atlbraves · Post #22 » by **atlbraves** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:40 am

To be fair, Harrison Barnes is Marvin Williams 2.0.

tidho · Post #23 » by **tidho** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:41 am

kd35sneighbor wrote:...Why do people have faith in this guy at all? I don't get it.

They don't now.
They used to because Kyrie was a toss up pick that he chose right on. Thompson was a reach but Irving generated enough good will to compensate.

gflem · Post #24 » by **gflem** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:41 am

Its his second draft so we have no track record to not have faith in him, or at least we didnt till now. He was one out of two last year so no conclusive opinion could have been made after one draft.

Baseline Runner · Post #25 » by **Baseline Runner** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:41 am

Relax everyone. If you need someone to compare him too you can think of Mitch Richmond, same body type and build, great jump shooter and ballhandler, can also score around the basket. He is not explosive in the Westbrook mode but can create his own shot at will, the best jump shooter in the draft in my opinion. He is much more efficient than Beal. An Irving/Waiters backcourt will be the second coming of Run DMC, a la, Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond.

Triumph36 · Post #26 » by **Triumph36** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:42 am

tidho wrote:
kd35sneighbor wrote:...Why do people have faith in this guy at all? I don't get it.

They don't now.
They used to because Kyrie was a toss up pick that he chose right on. Thompson was a reach but Irving generated enough good will to compensate.

lol no.

kyrie was a no brainer that he couldn't have possibly screwed up.

Triumph36 · Post #27 » by **Triumph36** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:43 am

also on an unrelated note, detroit just formed a really really really sick future frontcourt. i am jealous.

Baseline Runner · Post #28 » by **Baseline Runner** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:44 am

And please watch some videos of the guy before jumping to conclusions, the guy is a straight up baller and his shot is pure, great form and mechanics with a high arch. He has probably shot a million jumpers playing on the streets of Philly and his shot will be automatic at the next level.

Baseline Runner · Post #29 » by **Baseline Runner** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:46 am

This is why so many people get fed up with Cleveland fans. Drummond and Barnes both had huge busts written all over them. But Grant goes and gets a guy who can actually ball and whose skills will translate to the next level (can create his shot against good defenses unlike Barnes), and Cleveland fans are all in an uproar because it wasn't a guy they have been expecting.

gflem · Post #30 » by **gflem** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:46 am

Triumph36 wrote:also on an unrelated note, detroit just formed a really really really sick future frontcourt. i am jealous.

Yeah it could be, now I have to root against Drummond and hope he is the black version of Darko. I kind of felt bad about the kid being dissed prior to the draft and would have been rooting for him in another city.

Post #31 » by **Icness** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:48 am

Baseline Runner wrote:This is why so many people get fed up with Cleveland fans. Drummond and Barnes both had huge busts written all over them. But Grant goes and gets a guy who can actually ball and whose skills will translate to the next level (can create his shot against good defenses unlike Barnes), and Cleveland fans are all in an uproar because it wasn't a guy they have been expecting.

I agree with this 100%. This pick will look better 2 years from now when Drummond has been traded for spare parts and Barnes is the 8th man on a 24-win team. Not huge on Waiters but he fits needs and has a high floor.

gflem · Post #32 » by **gflem** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:50 am

Icness wrote:
Baseline Runner wrote:This is why so many people get fed up with Cleveland fans. Drummond and Barnes both had huge busts written all over them. But Grant goes and gets a guy who can actually ball and whose skills will translate to the next level (can create his shot against good defenses unlike Barnes), and Cleveland fans are all in an uproar because it wasn't a guy they have been expecting.

I agree with this 100%. This pick will look better 2 years from now when Drummond has been traded for spare parts and Barnes is the 8th man on a 24-win team. Not huge on Waiters but he fits needs and has a high floor.

So, we have to root against both Barnes and Drummond in order for this pick to look good?

Gordon Bombay · Post #33 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:51 am

Baseline Runner wrote:And please watch some videos of the guy before jumping to conclusions, the guy is a straight up baller and his shot is pure, great form and mechanics with a high arch. He has probably shot a million jumpers playing on the streets of Philly and his shot will be automatic at the next level.

syracuse had a lot of blowouts if i remember correctly but when they were in a close game, they looked to waiters for offense late in the game.

Triumph36 · Post #34 » by **Triumph36** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:51 am

gflem wrote:
Triumph36 wrote:also on an unrelated note, detroit just formed a really really really sick future frontcourt. i am jealous.

Yeah it could be, now I have to root against Drummond and hope he is the black version of Darko. I kind of felt bad about the kid being dissed prior to the draft and would have been rooting for him in another city.

i'm not really a fan of rooting against players, esp since drummond is a really good kid.

as far as it being detroit...meh. no real pistons/cavs rivalry anymore as both teams are awful so i don't care about that either.

Icness wrote:
Baseline Runner wrote:This is why so many people get fed up with Cleveland fans. Drummond and Barnes both had huge busts written all over them. But Grant goes and gets a guy who can actually ball and whose skills will translate to the next level (can create his shot against good defenses unlike Barnes), and Cleveland fans are all in an uproar because it wasn't a guy they have been expecting.

I agree with this 100%. This pick will look better 2 years from now when Drummond has been traded for spare parts and Barnes is the 8th man on a 24-win team. Not huge on Waiters but he fits needs and has a high floor.

right

or grant will be looking for a new job

BossHoggin · Post #35 » by **BossHoggin** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:51 am

With Thompson, there was no one better than him at the time of the pick. With Waiters, there was a lot of better options. I hope I'm proven wrong, I don't want this team to become a treadmill team.

tidho · Post #36 » by **tidho** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:54 am

Icness wrote: Not huge on Waiters but he fits needs and has a high floor.

As undersized as he is, he'll need it.

gflem · Post #37 » by **gflem** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:55 am

I am with you Triumph, but if the kid turns out to be the real deal, that makes it much harder for our team.

Baseline Runner · Post #38 » by **Baseline Runner** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:56 am

Most draft analysts were saying that Waiters was the best pure scorer in the draft. On a team as offensively challenged as the Cavs, the Waiters pick makes sense on a lot of levels. Waiters defense is pretty solid too. I was really rooting to get MKG but Jordan obviously saw shades of Pippen in him. But I'm perfectly happy with the Waiters pick plus I expect we will get a solid player out of the next three picks we have coming.

Triumph36 · Post #39 » by **Triumph36** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:58 am

gflem wrote:I am with you Triumph, but if the kid turns out to be the real deal, that makes it much harder for our team.

yea but i can't root against a kid just because the cavs gm is incompetent

supposedly cavs are trying to trade av/24 for barnes. i dunno why golden state would do that bc they desperately need a sf.

i would've preferred to see them take barnes at #4 and then trade for drummond at #7 tho.

gflem · Post #40 » by **gflem** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:01 am

Solid D? They dont play a lot of zone in the NBA. I hope you are right though, I hope he is capable of playing good D, I hope he wants to play good D, I hope he doesnt need the ball to be effective, I hope he doesnt need 20 shots to score 20 points, I hope he isnt redundant with Kyrie. I hope that Grant is right and I am wrong, I hope that those of us here who are pissed are eating our words this coming season.