Why didn't we get Perry Jones?

[reapaman]

English is very good defensive player, it's clear that You dont know much about this guy if you are saying that he is "just a shooter"

No he is not a good defensive player, he play high intensity on defense but he''s not a good defender. Two different things. He doesn't have good lateral quickness and very often gets burnt by quick guards. He also is not long and its hard for him to disrupt shooters that are long or have a high arching shot. He also isn't a distributor or great passer even though he is a willing passer. I have seen him alot and he is just a shooter at the nba level. Yes he's gonna play hard on both sides of the floor but I want more than what he can do.

If we were gonna get a higher 2nd rounder than we should go with doron lamb who can do a little of everything at the nba level. Like Roger Mason, if english's shot stops falling for whatever reason than he's useless.

[rick333]

I think we can all agree that anything in the second round is a crap shoot. I wouldn't get all frustrated because KOC didn't trade up 2 spots to get English. For all we know, Murphy is a better overall player than English. Only time will tell.

[countrybama24]

Bottom line is KOC gets paid millions of dollars because he is damn good at what he does. I'm sure he weighed his options and didn't feel it was worth the risk.

Why are we going to question that?

Not worth the risk if you're top priority is making money (what KOC gets paid to do).

Definitely worth the risk if you're top priority is winning a championship.

We're gonna make a trade for PG eventually, they'll be alright, but not a star. We'll lose one of our vets (al / millsap / harris) in free agency, and they'll we'll be alright. Sometimes a top 4 team in the west, sometimes not. But because we HATE risk, we'll not be a contender barring some miracle trade this summer. Every move we make is to minimize risk (most prominently, the risk that Deron leaves in free agency). You just don't win championships that way. But you do make money, so I'm glad the Millers are doing so well.

The franchise is great if you're opinion of greatness is keeping them profitable in a small market. This franchise is awful if you're opinion of greatness is championships. Just a matter of priorities. We need a billionaire owner, not penny pinchers.

[Fido]

This is the kind of know-it-all fan whining that people in the industry ignore because the fans really have no clue about how the deals work, what the GMs are REALLY willing to do, and dealing with the reality of building a team. This isn't fantasy basketball folks.

[Colby]

This is the kind of know-it-all fan whining that people in the industry ignore because the fans really have no clue about how the deals work, what the GMs are REALLY willing to do, and dealing with the reality of building a team. This isn't fantasy basketball folks.

Tell me we didn't have a better offer for Miami at #27 than the one they received from Philly. Use your brain, man. They'd much rather trade first rounders out of conference and have a higher 2013 pick. It's not fantasy, it's logic. Quit stroking them like they can never do wrong, some fans are so blinded by 'the industry'. Look at it for what it is, and you will see it for what it is.

[rick333]

This is the kind of know-it-all fan whining that people in the industry ignore because the fans really have no clue about how the deals work, what the GMs are REALLY willing to do, and dealing with the reality of building a team. This isn't fantasy basketball folks.

Tell me we didn't have a better offer for Miami at #27 than the one they received from Philly. Use your brain, man. They'd much rather trade first rounders out of conference and have a higher 2013 pick. It's not fantasy, it's logic. Quit stroking them like they can never do wrong, some fans are so blinded by 'the industry'. Look at it for what it is, and you will see it for what it is.

I don't think he's stating they don't do anything wrong, but they are qualified to do their job and the fans aren't.

[DiscoLives4ever]

This is the kind of know-it-all fan whining that people in the industry ignore because the fans really have no clue about how the deals work, what the GMs are REALLY willing to do, and dealing with the reality of building a team. This isn't fantasy basketball folks.

Tell me we didn't have a better offer for Miami at #27 than the one they received from Philly. Use your brain, man. They'd much rather trade first rounders out of conference and have a higher 2013 pick. It's not fantasy, it's logic. Quit stroking them like they can never do wrong, some fans are so blinded by 'the industry'. Look at it for what it is, and you will see it for what it is.

So you're saying our 47 and likely 8-15 next year for the 27 this year, correct?

[reapaman]

This is the kind of know-it-all fan whining that people in the industry ignore because the fans really have no clue about how the deals work, what the GMs are REALLY willing to do, and dealing with the reality of building a team. This isn't fantasy basketball folks.

Tell me we didn't have a better offer for Miami at #27 than the one they received from Philly. Use your brain, man. They'd much rather trade first rounders out of conference and have a higher 2013 pick. It's not fantasy, it's logic. Quit stroking them like they can never do wrong, some fans are so blinded by 'the industry'. Look at it for what it is, and you will see it for what it is.

Mabey KOC liked Kevin Murphy better than anyone else he couldve traded up for? I know I do. Mabey he thought PJ3 was a bust even at #27 which many also think the same.

He is too conservative, predictable and I always critizize him for that. But alot of you are trying to guess whats going on in his head or what other teams are willing to do based on your on beliefs. I wouldn't do the miami trade and if I were another team, I would only take Millsap or Harris in a salary dump where I get a future asset out of it. There not worth anything most of you guys are saying imo. Plus some people value Jefferson more than some of you do, so mabey the deals for him just sucked in his eyes. Again, those are my opinions and thats what its about.

[Lava Rock Kid]

Can anybody say Curtis Borchardt part deux?

Borchardt was a projected lotto pick and dropped due to foot issues.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

You know what's funny?

I was the one all along saying we should take a gamble on Perry Jones and you all killed me for it. You guys shredded him and said he was a sure fire bust... but now that we've missed out on him and OKC scooped him up, ya'll are freaking out about it.

Jealousy and greed change minds so quickly...

[reapaman]

You know what's funny?

I was the one all along saying we should take a gamble on Perry Jones and you all killed me for it. You guys shredded him and said he was a sure fire bust... but now that we've missed out on him and OKC scooped him up, ya'll are freaking out about it.

Jealousy and greed change minds so quickly...

Well thats what these people do. A few people in particular got on me yesterday morning for critizing KOC for never taking any risk and those same people started critizing other Jazz fans after the draft for giving KOC a pass for never taking any risk.

Even though I'm glad we didn't go after perry jones, It took him falling to OKC for some people to relize KOC isn't pro-active at all and more than content with us just being a playoff team instead of being willing to take the chance with moves that have a higher chance of putting us in title contention but have a higher chance of failure than his typical conservative moves.

[nguyenbalong]

Perry jones as a late first round is a low risk high reward move. Any analyst will tell you that. It simply came down to the fact We DIDNT WANT TO TAKE THAT RISK. Instead we got what we needed with out paying higher so it was a good draft overall. We still have undrafted prospects that we can add to our summer camp.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Perry jones as a late first round is a low risk high reward move. Any analyst will tell you that. It simply came down to the fact We DIDNT WANT TO TAKE THAT RISK.

So... you're saying we didn't take a risk to do something low risk?

Lol ok. That makes sense.

[blackham9258]

Actually the easier play I think to get done was to call Dallas and say hey... Mo is hedging his bets and might blow this whole deal... We want your #24 pick and we will give you our second rounder next year and we will waste $2.4M of cap space on Odom for you, and use up our trade exception if it comes down to that on Friday if Mo still hasn't decided.

That would have done it and Dallas still would have gotten their reach of Cunningham down at #33 or #34.

It could have been done. Heck I think Indian would have preferred to swap picks with us than have to take Plumlee.

[StocktonShorts]

Why didn't we get Perry Jones? Because we traded this year's pick for Al Jefferson.

[eLo]

Why didn't we get Perry Jones? Because we traded this year's pick for Al Jefferson.

if so im ok with that