OT: Morey doin work

[TKF]

He couldn't even trade for Rudy Gay last night, let alone a player who can make them a contender overnight.

there is no player available other than dwight that can make them contenders! and they can visit a trade with orlando down the road.... How many conteders were made last night? how many? how many teams became contenders last night that weren't? we really don't know.. but what we do know is that they are a 43 or so win team, and with more talent they are possibly a 50 win team or close.. heck are we even that?
rudy gay doesn't make them a contender and they would end up overpaying anyway for him at this point.. why do that?

[GONYK]

He couldn't even trade for Rudy Gay last night, let alone a player who can make them a contender overnight.

there is no player available other than dwight that can make them contenders! and they can visit a trade with orlando down the road.... How many conteders were made last night? how many? how many teams became contenders last night that weren't? we really don't know.. but what we do know is that they are a 43 or so win team, and with more talent they are possibly a 50 win team or close.. heck are we even that?
rudy gay doesn't make them a contender and they would end up overpaying anyway for him at this point.. why do that?

You can't just sit there for a decade waiting for the perfect player to become available. At some point you have to make a bold move. It may not be perfect, but at least it's not mediocre.

In practice, it seems like Morey understands that as well, since he has made plays for Melo, Pau, and Gay. He knows he needs something better than he's got.

But as an NBA franchise where people pay to see a product and other teams around you keep making moves to get better, you CAN'T just keep sitting on your hands saying "not yet"

[god shammgod]

i really hope duece was suspended for something besides what happened in this thread.

[Rasho Brezec]

Trade for future picks, make better offers, pick someone that's a reach...do something risky. This draft falls in the, "yep, that's Morey for you" field. If the multitude of pieces he has stockpiled than repackaged for more young pieces over and over in an endless cycle aren't good enough to either trade up or trade for a star than he's doing something wrong.

Exactly. He needs to give up the farm for two top lotto picks. The worst that can happen is they suck immensely and get another top lotto pick. But picking 14th every year gets them nowhere.

[TKF]

He couldn't even trade for Rudy Gay last night, let alone a player who can make them a contender overnight.

there is no player available other than dwight that can make them contenders! and they can visit a trade with orlando down the road.... How many conteders were made last night? how many? how many teams became contenders last night that weren't? we really don't know.. but what we do know is that they are a 43 or so win team, and with more talent they are possibly a 50 win team or close.. heck are we even that?
rudy gay doesn't make them a contender and they would end up overpaying anyway for him at this point.. why do that?

You can't just sit there for a decade waiting for the perfect player to become available. At some point you have to make a bold move. It may not be perfect, but at least it's not mediocre.

In practice, it seems like Morey understands that as well, since he has made plays for Melo, Pau, and Gay. He knows he needs something better than he's got.

But as an NBA franchise where people pay to see a product and other teams around you keep making moves to get better, you CAN'T just keep sitting on your hands saying "not yet"

who said the waited a decade, when they had a healthy yao they were a 50+ win team.. 3 years in a row, they went to stockpiling assets after the injuries started to hit and they shifted directions.. they tried to get yao some help( Carmelo) but that didn't work.. but they still kept the course and they are not a bad team because of his actions, they are actually set up nicely..

[GONYK]

who said the waited a decade, when they had a healthy yao they were a 50+ win team.. 3 years in a row, they went to stockpiling assets after the injuries started to hit and they shifted directions.. they tried to get yao some help( Carmelo) but that didn't work.. but they still kept the course and they are not a bad team because of his actions, they are actually set up nicely..

I'm not saying they have been doing this for a decade. I'm saying he can't do this for a decade. At some point, he has to make a move.

And they weren't getting Melo to help Yao. Everyone in Houston knew Yao was done by that point. They were getting Melo to build around.

You keep saying they are set up nicely. Nicely to do what? They aren't making the playoffs, they aren't getting a high lotto pick, and they aren't getting any of top flight or second tier stars. What are they set up to do exactly outside of continuing the cycle they are on?

[cgmw]

Exactly. He needs to give up the farm for two top lotto picks. The worst that can happen is they suck immensely and get another top lotto pick. But picking 14th every year gets them nowhere.

You really think he didn't try?

If by "give up the farm" you mean trade everybody for the No. 2 pick, then that's just idiotic. Because half the guys on the existing team have just as much upside as anybody not named Anthony Davis.

The Rockets have gone the better part of 20 years without a title. If he doesn't handle this right, they'll certainly go another 20. I don't understand the rush. No, he doesn't have a lifetime contract, but taking stupid risks in the name of appeasing impatient fans is beyond stupid -- it's counterproductive and horrible for the francise (see: Curry, Eddy).

[TKF]

who said the waited a decade, when they had a healthy yao they were a 50+ win team.. 3 years in a row, they went to stockpiling assets after the injuries started to hit and they shifted directions.. they tried to get yao some help( Carmelo) but that didn't work.. but they still kept the course and they are not a bad team because of his actions, they are actually set up nicely..

I'm not saying they have been doing this for a decade. I'm saying he can't do this for a decade. At some point, he has to make a move.

And they weren't getting Melo to help Yao. Everyone in Houston knew Yao was done by that point. They were getting Melo to build around.

You keep saying they are set up nicely. Nicely to do what? They aren't making the playoffs, they aren't getting a high lotto pick, and they aren't getting any of top flight or second tier stars. What are they set up to do exactly outside of continuing the cycle they are on?

we don't know if they won't make the playoffs... like us they suffered injuries last year and still managed to stay above .500

they are set up nicely to do a number of things... go young and get a high draft pick, or continue to improve and move those young pieces for some veteran pieces and I mean young vets.. they have a lot of options... you guys are overstating their situation in such a negative way.. they are not that bad off..actually not bad off at all..

[GONYK]

who said the waited a decade, when they had a healthy yao they were a 50+ win team.. 3 years in a row, they went to stockpiling assets after the injuries started to hit and they shifted directions.. they tried to get yao some help( Carmelo) but that didn't work.. but they still kept the course and they are not a bad team because of his actions, they are actually set up nicely..

I'm not saying they have been doing this for a decade. I'm saying he can't do this for a decade. At some point, he has to make a move.

And they weren't getting Melo to help Yao. Everyone in Houston knew Yao was done by that point. They were getting Melo to build around.

You keep saying they are set up nicely. Nicely to do what? They aren't making the playoffs, they aren't getting a high lotto pick, and they aren't getting any of top flight or second tier stars. What are they set up to do exactly outside of continuing the cycle they are on?

we don't know if they won't make the playoffs... like us they suffered injuries last year and still managed to stay above .500

they are set up nicely to do a number of things... go young and get a high draft pick, or continue to improve and move those young pieces for some veteran pieces and I mean young vets.. they have a lot of options... you guys are overstating their situation in such a negative way.. they are not that bad off..actually not bad off at all..

They aren't bad and they aren't good. That is the problem.

[TKF]

Exactly. He needs to give up the farm for two top lotto picks. The worst that can happen is they suck immensely and get another top lotto pick. But picking 14th every year gets them nowhere.

You really think he didn't try?

If by "give up the farm" you mean trade everybody for the No. 2 pick, then that's just idiotic. Because half the guys on the existing team have just as much upside as anybody not named Anthony Davis.

The Rockets have gone the better part of 20 years without a title. If he doesn't handle this right, they'll certainly go another 20. I don't understand the rush. No, he doesn't have a lifetime contract, but taking stupid risks in the name of appeasing impatient fans is beyond stupid -- it's counterproductive and horrible for the francise (see: Curry, Eddy).

bingo! and trading a lot of assets for rudy gay gets them nowhere as well.. remember they haven't been under .500 in over 6 years, they are not a bad team...LOL.. they can make moves or stay put and still be around 40-45 wins.... As i said, morey won't be around forever but it is also his job to make sure he protects that franchise's interest for years to come while he is there now...

[GONYK]

Exactly. He needs to give up the farm for two top lotto picks. The worst that can happen is they suck immensely and get another top lotto pick. But picking 14th every year gets them nowhere.

You really think he didn't try?

If by "give up the farm" you mean trade everybody for the No. 2 pick, then that's just idiotic. Because half the guys on the existing team have just as much upside as anybody not named Anthony Davis.

The Rockets have gone the better part of 20 years without a title. If he doesn't handle this right, they'll certainly go another 20. I don't understand the rush. No, he doesn't have a lifetime contract, but taking stupid risks in the name of appeasing impatient fans is beyond stupid -- it's counterproductive and horrible for the francise (see: Curry, Eddy).

bingo! and trading a lot of assets for rudy gay gets them nowhere as well.. remember they haven't been under .500 in over 6 years, they are not a bad team...LOL.. they can make moves or stay put and still be around 40-45 wins.... As i said, morey won't be around forever but it is also his job to make sure he protects that franchise's interest for years to come while he is there now...

I fail to see how winning 40-45 games and missing the playoffs every year is a good thing

[cgmw]

I fail to see how winning 40-45 games and missing the playoffs every year is a good thing

I fail to see how making bad trades will ensure anything but 40-45 games and missing the playoffs ever year (again, see: Curry, Eddy).

When the right deal comes along, it's his job to have the flexibility to make it happen. Until then, they have a decent enough mix of vets and cheap young talent. The only thing worse than making no deal is making the wrong deal.

[Fury]

I fail to see how winning 40-45 games and missing the playoffs every year is a good thing

I fail to see how making bad trades will ensure anything but 40-45 games and missing the playoffs ever year (again, see: Curry, Eddy).

When the right deal comes along, it's his job to have the flexibility to make it happen. Until then, they have a decent enough mix of vets and cheap young talent. The only thing worse than making no deal is making the wrong deal.

Sometimes. Sometimes making the bad deal makes it clear you need to blow **** up, which they kinda do.

[GONYK]

I fail to see how winning 40-45 games and missing the playoffs every year is a good thing

I fail to see how making bad trades will ensure anything but 40-45 games and missing the playoffs ever year (again, see: Curry, Eddy).

When the right deal comes along, it's his job to have the flexibility to make it happen. Until then, they have a decent enough mix of vets and cheap young talent. The only thing worse than making no deal is making the wrong deal.

What is the right deal? He's whiffed on Bosh, Melo, Gasol, Dwight, and Rudy Gay. How many assets does he need?

What you are saying is easy to say when it is not your team. Rockets fans are not happy over here.

[TKF]

They aren't bad and they aren't good. That is the problem.

IT IS NOT a problem.. they are in the middle, but in the middle being competitive, and they have the assets and flexibility to get better.. for them it is just timing iMO, and the key is having the ability to make that move when the timing is right... that is the key. .they can do that..

[TKF]

What is the right deal? He's whiffed on Bosh, Melo, Gasol, Dwight, and Rudy Gay. How many assets does he need?

What you are saying is easy to say when it is not your team. Rockets fans are not happy over here

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it is timing.. other than dwight none of those guys were going to make the rockets contenders, not without Yao in the mix... so right now they can hold out and continue to get better... This is timing.. dwight isn't completely out of the picture yet, and we have no clue what other teams are going to do.. the key is, they are in position to do a number of things.. right now....

[CrazyKnicks]

They aren't bad and they aren't good. That is the problem.

IT IS NOT a problem.. they are in the middle, but in the middle being competitive, and they have the assets and flexibility to get better.. for them it is just timing iMO, and the key is having the ability to make that move when the timing is right... that is the key. .they can do that..

And they've been in that scenario for a while now.

Their talent isn't getting them anyone and isn't winning them enough games.

[TKF]

They aren't bad and they aren't good. That is the problem.

IT IS NOT a problem.. they are in the middle, but in the middle being competitive, and they have the assets and flexibility to get better.. for them it is just timing iMO, and the key is having the ability to make that move when the timing is right... that is the key. .they can do that..

And they've been in that scenario for a while now.

Their talent isn't getting them anyone and isn't winning them enough games.

what is a while? they just lost yao a few seasons ago... why is it that they must turn those assets into stars now, while the knicks need time to jel, click, add players? Isn't that a double standard.. we have been adding high priced players for years, yet every year knick fans see the next year.. as the YEAR..

I mean you are confident that Next year, is the Year for the knicks.. right? Ok, fair enough.... isn't it fair enough to think that maybe morey feels that they can turn these guys into someting, lets say during the trade deadline? again, it is not like the rockets have been bad, they have been a solid team for years now.....

[cgmw]

Again, what do you guys propose he do? If the right deals are unavailable, he should continue to stockpile until they become available.

If ownership thinks it's Morey's fault for being a terrible recruiter and unskilled negotiator, then they need to make a change. Otherwise, I don't see what he can do except continue stockpiling until something good presents itself.

Making a move for the sake of keeping his job or creating bullsh*t excitement to appease fans (w/out any real chance of winning) is a horrible mistake, and one that our franchise has been making for two generations.

[GONYK]

what is a while? they just lost yao a few seasons ago... why is it that they must turn those assets into stars now, while the knicks need time to jel, click, add players? Isn't that a double standard.. we have been adding high priced players for years, yet every year knick fans see the next year.. as the YEAR..

I mean you are confident that Next year, is the Year for the knicks.. right? Ok, fair enough.... isn't it fair enough to think that maybe morey feels that they can turn these guys into someting, lets say during the trade deadline? again, it is not like the rockets have been bad, they have been a solid team for years now.....

The Knicks have Carmelo, Amare, Tyson and Lin as their core going forward.

Who does Houston have?

How many of their assets do you think they would give up to have that exact same core?