Harris and Bell go where?

[blackham9258]

Now that we have Mo Williams (who told KOC today that he wanted to start at PG and thats why he was holding up the deal). Now I am sure KOC couldn't say exactly what the plans were and gave him information about how the Jazz like the 2pg lineup etc.... but reality is that I believe we are trading Harris and Bell.

Next step is where?
#1 Option Harris to Orlando for JJ Redick....
#2 Harris to Toronto if Nash doesn't go there
#3 Harris to Portland for a pick of some sort (lottery protected or right to swap scenario etc)
#4 Harris to Portland for Mathews (I don't want to do this one personally... in the new cba era. I'll pass)
#5 Harris to Dallas if they miss out on Deron. Get a pick
#6 Harris to any team with a contract of a decent player that runs past this year but make sure to get a 1st rounder of some sort: Fill in the blank with players:

Raja to: Minnesota if they don't pick up Webster and swing and miss in FA. Toronto or Phoenix wherever Nash lands.

Why? Mo wants to start, shoots it better. Most importantly Alec Burks needs to work toward becoming a PG... if he can transition to the 1, with a good ball handling SG with Hayward and find a strong SF via another trade... say Jefferson for Iggy then we have the start of some lethal offensive and defensive lineups.

But, basically picking up the Tinsley option means we have 5 PG's and that one has to go... My vote is to send off Devin Harris.

Mo
Devin
Earl
Alec
Jamaal

Where else could these two players end up?

[The59Sound]

Alec Burks is not a point guard, my friend.

[blackham9258]

You read all that and make one... derrogatory comment. Grow up man.

I personally think he can, and so does he and the Jazz it seems. He can penetrate and break guys down and that skill will only be accentuated at the Point. David Locke reported the other day that the Jazz will be running him at PG in the summer league.

My boys went to his camp this week here in KC and I asked him what KOC had him working on this summer and he said stuff along those lines. So when Locke mentioned the Jazz intent to run him at point, I have started to see the wisdom of it. Philly does it with Turner, Westbrook isn't a typical PG and their are others.

Do I think he will play the majority of his minutes at PG, no. Do I think he could become a guy the initiates the offense and breaks guys down... absolutely.

I just think the league is moving to a bigger, faster paced league: That is how Lebron is changing the game. That also why I so desperately wanted to get into this draft to get a SF like Barnes, Harkless, Perry Jones etc... Length and athleticism at every position... is the way to go.

[WillyJakkz]

I highly doubt we'd trade Redick for Harris.

I'm thinking more in the neighborhood of J Rich+ for Dev.

[blackham9258]

Besides: Our starting PG averaged 5 APG last season.. Burks could do that..

The days of pass first PG's are few in the new NBA

[babyjax13]

I posted this on the trade board......seems relevant enough......

This is based on a scenario where the 76ers want to make a play for Deron Williams.

Utah Trades:
Paul Millsap
Devin Harris
2013 GSW 1st
2013 UTH 2nd

Utah Receives:
Kyle Korver
Evan Turner

The Jazz finish out their offseason with one of the most tantalizing young cores in the league. Turner looked brilliant with the ball in his hands last season and *I think* when paired with Mo Williams he would have the opportunity to be the facilitator he is. Utah also adds some needed shooting.

Jefferson 32/Kanter 16
Favors 34/Jefferson 4/Evans 10
Turner 22/Hayward 26
Hayward 8/Burks 24/Korver 16
Mo Williams 30/Turner 12/Tinsley 6

That's a roster with so many possible matchup combinations.....it makes me drool.....

Chicago Trades:
Kyle Korver
Ronnie Brewer

Chicago Receives:
Devin Harris

The key here is that Chicago keeps their MLE to use on another player rather than letting Brewer and Korver walk while they try to pick up a journeyman point guard. Harris is good enough to keep the boat afloat until Rose returns, and when that happens he can make the transition to shooting guard fairly easily. His outside shooting is much improved from his Jersey days, so he could work well with Rose. Then he expires; the same time Brewer and Korver would. Seems like a win-win to me.

Philadelphia Trades:
Evan Turner

Philadelphia Receives:
Paul Millsap
Ronnie Brewer
2013 GSW 1st
2013 UTH 2nd

So, how do you make a sales pitch to Deron Williams? Easy, amnesty Elton Brand and trade for two of his favorite former teammates. Adding a potential mid-first round pick is also an added bonus. The downside is losing Evan Turner; but at this point it seems his career is going nowhere in Philadelphia unless Igoudala is traded. This also leaves the 76ers with plenty of room and assets to make a move for a second or third option. Kevin Martin could look really nice next to Iggy and Deron.....

[blackham9258]

The Magic's PG just opted out of his contract... Harris is a shoe in for that job because he is likely a slight upgrade at the PG for them and without know Dwights intentions they don't to tie themselves down to a very mediocre Jameer Nelson.

Jameer frankly made bad choice to bypass that option unless he know Orlando wants to sign him.. which would surprise me.

Their are tons of FA PG's and tradeable PGs availlable right now:

FA's
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Jameer Nelson
Goran Dragic
Ray Felton
Billups
Ramon Sessions
Andre Millser
Jeremy Lin

Tradeable or RFA's
Kyle Lowry
Devin Harris
Mo (already traded)
Calderon via amnesty likely if they sign nash
Several other lower tier guys: Bibby, B Davis, Lou Williams (kinda a combo)

I think PG's are going to struggle to get good money in this market, and an expiring Deal for a Good PG is important.

[babyjax13]

I highly doubt we'd trade Redick for Harris.

I'm thinking more in the neighborhood of J Rich+ for Dev.

If Richardson is expiring that sounds like a nice option to me.

[blackham9258]

We won't do JRich... We would do Wesley Matthews before thatg and get a pick. About the trade above.... You are way over valuing Evans... "He is mediocre player who Philly would love to trade out of while people are still think he's good." -Bill Simmons ESPN with NBA insider who agreed wholeheartedely. So do I. Don't get me wrong I would trade a protected pick for him but he is not going to be the player we thought he would be.

[Luigi]

Now that we have Mo Williams (who told KOC today that he wanted to start at PG and thats why he was holding up the deal). Now I am sure KOC couldn't say exactly what the plans were and gave him information about how the Jazz like the 2pg lineup etc.... but reality is that I believe we are trading Harris and Bell.

If Mo is demanding a starting job, he's not the kind of guy you want running the offense anyway. It is symptomatic of a me-first mindset that is bad news for a point guard. But that attitude can be useful for a scoring punch off the bench who still gets starter minutes. He's much better suited to be a 6th man shooting-guard, and then be grateful that Harris can switch with him on defense.

Harris (32) / Tinsley (16) / Watson
Burks (16) / Williams (32)
Hayward (36) / Bell (12) / Murphy
Favors (24) / Millsap (24) / Evans
Jefferson (32) / Kanter (16)

At least until a trade goes down, which is what this thread is all about.

[Dozer!]

I posted this on the trade board......seems relevant enough......

This is based on a scenario where the 76ers want to make a play for Deron Williams.

Utah Trades:
Paul Millsap
Devin Harris
2013 GSW 1st
2013 UTH 2nd

Utah Receives:
Kyle Korver
Evan Turner

The Jazz finish out their offseason with one of the most tantalizing young cores in the league. Turner looked brilliant with the ball in his hands last season and *I think* when paired with Mo Williams he would have the opportunity to be the facilitator he is. Utah also adds some needed shooting.

Jefferson 32/Kanter 16
Favors 34/Jefferson 4/Evans 10
Turner 22/Hayward 26
Hayward 8/Burks 24/Korver 16
Mo Williams 30/Turner 12/Tinsley 6

That's a roster with so many possible matchup combinations.....it makes me drool.....

Chicago Trades:
Kyle Korver
Ronnie Brewer

Chicago Receives:
Devin Harris

The key here is that Chicago keeps their MLE to use on another player rather than letting Brewer and Korver walk while they try to pick up a journeyman point guard. Harris is good enough to keep the boat afloat until Rose returns, and when that happens he can make the transition to shooting guard fairly easily. His outside shooting is much improved from his Jersey days, so he could work well with Rose. Then he expires; the same time Brewer and Korver would. Seems like a win-win to me.

Philadelphia Trades:
Evan Turner

Philadelphia Receives:
Paul Millsap
Ronnie Brewer
2013 GSW 1st
2013 UTH 2nd

So, how do you make a sales pitch to Deron Williams? Easy, amnesty Elton Brand and trade for two of his favorite former teammates. Adding a potential mid-first round pick is also an added bonus. The downside is losing Evan Turner; but at this point it seems his career is going nowhere in Philadelphia unless Igoudala is traded. This also leaves the 76ers with plenty of room and assets to make a move for a second or third option. Kevin Martin could look really nice next to Iggy and Deron.....

I think Millsap and Harris have more value than Evans and Korver, don't know why your including two first round picks which are gold now.

[Curtis Lemansky]

I think there are only a few teams that would regard Harris as an upgrade to what they currently have at pg spot and would fit in with the direction of the team:
Dallas (if they strike out on Deron)
Indiana if they lose George Hill
Lakers
Miami (they dont have any cap room for Harris though)
Toronto if they cant get Nash

Not really a big market for him. You can strike Miami out for cap reasons, I'm fairly sure that Toronto will get Nash

I disagree on Portland being interested in Harris. They have just spent their 6th pick on Lillard, I'm sure they wont want to spend another 10 mil to Harris. Phoenix might be interested but they also drafted a pg, have a historically cheap owner and also have the option of retaining Aaron Brooks who isnt a bad option to share time with their rookie time.

Odom's trade exception + a protected 1st from Lakers appears to be the best deal Utah can get for Harris.

[JDubJazz]

Here's my best fake trade for moving Harris and Bell. I think It would likely be followed up by moving either Al or Paul, but thats a topic for another day.

Utah JAZZ
Change in Team Outlook: -5.3 ppg, +2.9 rpg, and -0.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Andre Iguodala
28 year old , 6-6, 207 lb F-G from Arizona
12.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 5.5 apg in 35.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Devin Harris
29 year old , 6-3, 185 lb G from Wisconsin
11.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 5.0 apg in 27.6 minutes in 2011-2012
Raja Bell
35 year old , 6-5, 204 lb G from Florida International
6.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.4 minutes in 2011-2012
2012 GSW 1st (Top 6 Protected)
$3 Million (to buy out Bell)

Jazz move Harris and the GSW 1st rounder (top 6 protected) to secure a player they have long coveted: Iggy

Chicago BULLS
Change in Team Outlook: +7.5 ppg, -6.6 rpg, and +3.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Devin Harris
29 year old , 6-3, 185 lb G from Wisconsin
11.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 5.0 apg in 27.6 minutes
Raja Bell
35 year old , 6-5, 204 lb G from Florida International
6.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.4 minutes

2012 GSW 1st (Top 6 protected)
$3 million to buy out Raja Bell

Outgoing Players
Joakim Noah
27 year old , 6-11, 232 lb C-F from Florida
10.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.5 apg in 30.4 minutes in 2011-2012

Chicago gets a reliable point guard to cover while Rose is recovering, but doesn't have to take on any extra salary beyond this season. They also land a potentially nice draft pick next season.

Philadelphia 76ERS
Change in Team Outlook: -2.2 ppg, +3.7 rpg, and -3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Joakim Noah
27 year old , 6-11, 232 lb C-F from Florida
10.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.5 apg in 30.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Andre Iguodala
28 year old , 6-6, 207 lb F-G from Arizona
12.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 5.5 apg in 35.6 minutes in 2011-2012

Philly uses Iggy to get the athletic frontcourt player they have needed for years in Noah.

[3960HOOD]

How about charlotte? They just drafted mgk and have been trying to trade Tyrus Thomas. If we would be willing to absorb his contract how about a trade of Devin for Tyrus Thomas and Gerald Henderson..

[QuantumMacgyver]

How about charlotte? They just drafted mgk and have been trying to trade Tyrus Thomas. If we would be willing to absorb his contract how about a trade of Devin for Tyrus Thomas and Gerald Henderson..

Tyrus THomas is easily one of the worst contracts in the league per production. No way I touch that. Henderson would be a good pick up tho!

[QuantumMacgyver]

Now that we have Mo Williams (who told KOC today that he wanted to start at PG and thats why he was holding up the deal). Now I am sure KOC couldn't say exactly what the plans were and gave him information about how the Jazz like the 2pg lineup etc.... but reality is that I believe we are trading Harris and Bell.

I haven't heard this anywhere. Would you mind sharing where you got it from, I'd love to read it over.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I'm with Jax.

Ever since Rose went down I thought that Chicago would be a great place to send Harris. He gives them the perfect stopgap PG until Rose is back and he comes off the books for them at the end of the season, which is a must for them.

I'd do Harris for Brewer and Korver straight up. Brewer can play SF for us (Ya, I believe he can start at SF for this team) and gives us a great defender and slasher while Korver gives us the obvious outside shooting we need.

[reapaman]

Who wants harris or bell? I can't see no one trading for them unless their unloading a bad contract.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Here's my best fake trade for moving Harris and Bell. I think It would likely be followed up by moving either Al or Paul, but thats a topic for another day.

Utah JAZZ
Change in Team Outlook: -5.3 ppg, +2.9 rpg, and -0.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Andre Iguodala
28 year old , 6-6, 207 lb F-G from Arizona
12.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 5.5 apg in 35.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Devin Harris
29 year old , 6-3, 185 lb G from Wisconsin
11.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 5.0 apg in 27.6 minutes in 2011-2012
Raja Bell
35 year old , 6-5, 204 lb G from Florida International
6.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.4 minutes in 2011-2012
2012 GSW 1st (Top 6 Protected)
$3 Million (to buy out Bell)

Jazz move Harris and the GSW 1st rounder (top 6 protected) to secure a player they have long coveted: Iggy

Chicago BULLS
Change in Team Outlook: +7.5 ppg, -6.6 rpg, and +3.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Devin Harris
29 year old , 6-3, 185 lb G from Wisconsin
11.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 5.0 apg in 27.6 minutes
Raja Bell
35 year old , 6-5, 204 lb G from Florida International
6.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.4 minutes

2012 GSW 1st (Top 6 protected)
$3 million to buy out Raja Bell

Outgoing Players
Joakim Noah
27 year old , 6-11, 232 lb C-F from Florida
10.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.5 apg in 30.4 minutes in 2011-2012

Chicago gets a reliable point guard to cover while Rose is recovering, but doesn't have to take on any extra salary beyond this season. They also land a potentially nice draft pick next season.

Philadelphia 76ERS
Change in Team Outlook: -2.2 ppg, +3.7 rpg, and -3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Joakim Noah
27 year old , 6-11, 232 lb C-F from Florida
10.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.5 apg in 30.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Andre Iguodala
28 year old , 6-6, 207 lb F-G from Arizona
12.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 5.5 apg in 35.6 minutes in 2011-2012

Philly uses Iggy to get the athletic frontcourt player they have needed for years in Noah.

I don't see Chicago giving up Noah in this scenario. Who will be their Center- Boozer? Not a chance.

However, the idea that Chicago needs a rental veteran PG until Rose can come back (potentially not next year) is a really good one. DHarris fits this bill perfectly.

Sending out Harris, Bell and some cash or a future 2nd round pick for Korver and Brewer would work for both teams. The Bulls would probably not pick up Bell and Korver anyway. I would rather have Brewer for a year than Bell, and Korver fits the bill for outside shooting. Both expire at the end of the season, keeping the flexibility that the Jazz want.

[eLo]

I'm with Jax.

Ever since Rose went down I thought that Chicago would be a great place to send Harris. He gives them the perfect stopgap PG until Rose is back and he comes off the books for them at the end of the season, which is a must for them.

I'd do Harris for Brewer and Korver straight up. Brewer can play SF for us (Ya, I believe he can start at SF for this team) and gives us a great defender and slasher while Korver gives us the obvious outside shooting we need.

this and signing Machado and i would not ask for any thing more