Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIX: Draft/Free Agency

[MagicTownBaller]

I edited my post with YBR's posts in it because I forgot the one he made about the draft and coaching search.

[arsenal6106]

I'm lucky enough to have a lot of friends that are loyal Cavalier fans. They''ll help me get me through this..

[ADRajX]

Dwyane Wade @DwyaneWade
Loyalty hahahahaha

After 3 1/2 months, I'm starting to see the humor in it now.

[arsenal6106]

YBR
What ill say for now is that dwight is upset he has not been able to talk to rich devos or even alex martins. Upset that he can't talk to anyone in ownership at all. I'm not gonna put the other stuff back on here til after I talk to him, but yes they did meet yesterday

Been a crazy night lol, was in the movies when all this went down. But it sounds like Rob was agreeing with dwight on feeling like he should be traded during their talk

Some of it was helping select a new coach. Also helping with the draft. Also upset they didn't tell or ask him anything when interviewing the GM's

Okay.......how did Howard help Rob with draft related items if they met after the draft?

This guy can't be serious.

[MagicTownBaller]

YBR
I'm reluctant to believe everything that was posted yesterday. Which is why I've been telling him for weeks now that he just needs to clear all this up with at least a statement. Dude really has people around him releasing rumors all the time. Like example: when talking about the draft I say why would u think magic would consult you for help when you may try to leave. He says he opted in for a reason. I then say Stephen a don't think so, he thinks you were making a mistake and that you want to be traded. He then says "is stephen a me??" I said no, and he says then how is he gonna know? I respond with he talks to you. Dude then says cmon man... So some of the stuff that's come out are kind of shocking to me, and makes me think someone else is involved as well. He has to nip this in the bud and make a statement or something because he's got people out here confused

Another one.

[arsenal6106]

kk this is enough for one night. I'll see you guys later today. I expect some kind of statement from Dwight by the time I wake up.

[MagicTownBaller]

kk this is enough for one night. I'll see you guys later today. I expect some kind of statement from Dwight by the time I wake up.

Good night

[JustinLafferty]

The only evidence needed for not consulting players opinions in drafts is TMac wanting to trade Dwight and JJ Reddick was able to select Bradley Beal at 19 in a "player draft" haha

[ADRajX]

Oh btw, I know I might be jumping to conclusions here, but I do not want Joe Johnson if the Nets are trying to flip him to us for Dwight.

Forget that.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... nson_Trade

The Nets and Hawks are discussing a trade centered around Joe Johnson, according to sources.

Brooklyn would pair Johnson with a re-signed Deron Williams.

With no deal is close to completion, sources say the teams are discussing trade on multiple fronts.

Trading for Johnson would likely eliminate the Nets from their pursuit of Howard.

For Atlanta, trading Johnson would effectively be a salary dump of his $90 million over the next four years.

The Nets would have to piece together several contracts, including those of Jordan Farmar, who opted into the final $4.2 million year of his deal on Saturday, Anthony Morrow, Johan Petro and a sign-and-trade with one of the Nets' free agents to make the exchange of salaries work for Johnson’s contract.

[MagicTownBaller]

Oh btw, I know I might be jumping to conclusions here, but I do not want Joe Johnson if the Nets are trying to flip him to us for Dwight.

Forget that.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... nson_Trade

The Nets and Hawks are discussing a trade centered around Joe Johnson, according to sources.

Brooklyn would pair Johnson with a re-signed Deron Williams.

With no deal is close to completion, sources say the teams are discussing trade on multiple fronts.

Trading for Johnson would likely eliminate the Nets from their pursuit of Howard.

For Atlanta, trading Johnson would effectively be a salary dump of his $90 million over the next four years.

The Nets would have to piece together several contracts, including those of Jordan Farmar, who opted into the final $4.2 million year of his deal on Saturday, Anthony Morrow, Johan Petro and a sign-and-trade with one of the Nets' free agents to make the exchange of salaries work for Johnson’s contract.

I think Joe Johnson is a very good player and a top five SG in the league. I think his talent and ability's are overlooked a lot because of his contract. I would love him on the Magic, if he didn't have that contract.

[Carlos Arroyo]

Joey Cinquegrana
Dwight promised all us Orlando Magic fans a ring. I think we should all sue him for lying.

fb is getting hilarious lol

yeah it's hilarious.....on another note....your sig.....i'm sure you know i didn't say that right? lol

lol i kno bro im gunna change it soon

[MagicTownBaller]

I'm sad, nobody's sig shows up on Tapatalk. I want that in a update later.

Anyways, I'm off to be. I've been on here longer then I wanted to be. I'll check the thread in the morning to see if we need a new one.

[EvilKoko]

Lets take the rockets package since it will allow us to tank the hardest? Its going to be a tough next 3-4 years but we'll see who the real fans are. This reminds me of 04 when we traded tmac before drafting dwight. We'll get another franchise player if history repeats itself. Hopefully, this time we don't squander away our good fortunes.

[glennathan]

Just watched NBA gametime on NBA TV and David Aldridge said:

"This is strictly my opinion, no insider information, but my opinion. With not knowing what direction the Magic and Rob Hennigan are going, I can only make the suggestion if I am Hennigan I call Sam Presti, in OKC, and offer them Dwight and whatever else to go with him and put the ball in Dwight's hands. Let him be the one to say 'no I do not want to play with Westbrook and Durant' and go to Brooklyn looking foolish"

"If Orlando can get solid core pieces like Ibaka and Harden, or Perkins and Perry Jones, then you really cant say no. Helps both teams out."

[ADRajX]

Oh btw, I know I might be jumping to conclusions here, but I do not want Joe Johnson if the Nets are trying to flip him to us for Dwight.

Forget that.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... nson_Trade

The Nets and Hawks are discussing a trade centered around Joe Johnson, according to sources.

Brooklyn would pair Johnson with a re-signed Deron Williams.

With no deal is close to completion, sources say the teams are discussing trade on multiple fronts.

Trading for Johnson would likely eliminate the Nets from their pursuit of Howard.

For Atlanta, trading Johnson would effectively be a salary dump of his $90 million over the next four years.

The Nets would have to piece together several contracts, including those of Jordan Farmar, who opted into the final $4.2 million year of his deal on Saturday, Anthony Morrow, Johan Petro and a sign-and-trade with one of the Nets' free agents to make the exchange of salaries work for Johnson’s contract.

I think Joe Johnson is a very good player and a top five SG in the league. I think his talent and ability's are overlooked a lot because of his contract. I would love him on the Magic, if he didn't have that contract.

I agree, Joe is definitely a very good SG. There is no questioning his ability that's for sure. My issues with him are his age (31 and not getting any younger), his massive contract/yrs left (as you mentioned), and his mental toughness (the way he performed in the playoffs and his comments about Hawks' fans). Aside from that he's a great player, but I think he'll be on the downside of his career statistically in a couple years and that contract is disastrous all-around.

[Showbiz Bear]

I agree, Joe is definitely a very good SG. There is no questioning his ability that's for sure. My issues with him are his age (31 and not getting any younger), his massive contract/yrs left (as you mentioned), and his mental toughness (the way he performed in the playoffs and his comments about Hawks' fans). Aside from that he's a great player, but I think he'll be on the downside of his career statistically in a couple years and that contract is disastrous all-around.

To top it off, Hennigan just doesn't strike me as the type of guy to make that call. He has no allegiance to Dwight; he inherited a crappy situation, but he'll do what's best for his new program, not give in to the demands of a star player holding his franchise hostage to get something he hasn't earned. We'll get the best deal possible. In Henny I trust.

[OrlandO]

Just watched NBA gametime on NBA TV and David Aldridge said:

"This is strictly my opinion, no insider information, but my opinion. With not knowing what direction the Magic and Rob Hennigan are going, I can only make the suggestion if I am Hennigan I call Sam Presti, in OKC, and offer them Dwight and whatever else to go with him and put the ball in Dwight's hands. Let him be the one to say 'no I do not want to play with Westbrook and Durant' and go to Brooklyn looking foolish"

"If Orlando can get solid core pieces like Ibaka and Harden, or Perkins and Perry Jones, then you really cant say no. Helps both teams out."

Hennigan could probably convince Dwight to stay in OKC too. But yea that would be funny if we traded him there and he left durant/westbrook for the freakin nets.

[dsg2021]

I'm hoping Dwight stays, and I'm waiting for yet again, official Magic news, because we all know how this really went down during the trade deadline, Dwight stayed a Magic and there was renewed good will.

I know I'm in a minority of keeping Dwight (but maybe only here b/c Dwight was never really booed in any noticeable way this year in the home games at all) but Im aware Hennigan may very well trade Dwight. Particularly if we get more independent sources speaking of Dwight complaining to the PA and that the Magic did very well seek feelers on offers that ensuing evening, it would make sense to move the Dwight drama towards the end for his sake mainly. I must say, portions of this could all be wrong though, we must realize media are presenting their own angles biasedly. Woj and Broussard are pro for Dwight to Bklyn..

I don't see a case of Dwight getting a void. The Magic stated he would go to Houston and that is not illegal in any way at all. They also ensured Dwight had I think around 12 hours of free time before actually meeting and signing the ETO waive. It seems a Fegan move but its also of Dwight's wishes, so I can see the Hou offer or another renter going through between now and a few days. I think what's being underrated is that maybe Hennigan can acquire better draft picks than 12th when the draft is so far away and teams will be less careful/knowledged than the days before a draft hyped up. Any Dwight team is good so I'd only expect mid to late firsts like around two. But perhaps that renting/owning Dwight team can secure one-two top 10 potential picks from lesser developed team(s).

Who knows though, if Hou is the leading candidate then, the most allowed future picks with a few of their prospects like Montiejunas, Lamb, Jones, Lowry, Martin for Dwight and either J Rich or Turk with Duhon could be great. I don't think anyone more then Dwight outgoing is critical to include because for all intents and purposes, Turk and Duhon are truly expiring deals now, with deals that are more than 50% unguaranteed. The other deal breaker I have is Scola, he is too much money when we are rebuilding and also are working with multiple fowards on the deal and depth chart. The trick is picking among their best prospects. My order of top prospects would be ~Montiejunas, Jones, Lamb, Morris. Martin is the salary filler/expiring and Lowry is the 26 yr old prime All Star pg that's a serially underrated player, probably top 5/10 in the league depending how his offense goes forward. I'd finally really consider that outside the top 2-3 Houston prospects, to then have Houston use the rest of their assets to acquire a sure fire lotto pick, hopefully top 5/10. This is where I don't mandate taking back Turk and Duhon as musts as long as ORL gets one+ lotto pick, mid picks, Lowry and 2-3 Houston prospects. This leaves Houston with starters Lee (great friend of Dwight), Parsons, and all star Scola alongside Dwight with immediate and future cap space rivaling that of ORL's regardless of Dwight's subsequent decision to stay/leave Hou. Health review dependent, I'm also super high on Stephen Curry as a headliner piece from a GSW offer. Barnes adds intrigue when Monta was a more expensive scorer. Im generally seeking no vets or non-rookie scaled players, with probably Ryan and Jameer gone, we can make serious top 10 lotto picks if we use the cap space on Martin, Turk and 1-2 yr rentals in exchange of more picks. BBD will lead the Heart and Hustle II from Center again with Lowry and JJ. Everyone else is a vet for asset trading/expiring or youth development and lineup combo experimenting IMO. No matter what happens, Hennigan and Asst.s are incredibly qualified for rebuilding and drafting, so I'm very confident in them and us understanding the process. There's a lot of interested teams in Dwight, and for good reason, the normally happy go lucky Dwight seems very begrudged more than anything else really based on his PA claims and consistent trade demands. I hope we reconciliate with Dwight because it's clear the Magic are a new FO and coaching staff and there's too much hurt past emotions that are now illogically present.

[ADRajX]

kk this is enough for one night. I'll see you guys later today. I expect some kind of statement from Dwight by the time I wake up.

Yep, looks like I'm tapping out for the night as well. As always, for whoever making the next thread part (you or MTB), I'll post the updated links/parts/creators/page count for you guys to add into the OP. Look out for it. Night guys.

[Bensational]

Just watched NBA gametime on NBA TV and David Aldridge said:

"This is strictly my opinion, no insider information, but my opinion. With not knowing what direction the Magic and Rob Hennigan are going, I can only make the suggestion if I am Hennigan I call Sam Presti, in OKC, and offer them Dwight and whatever else to go with him and put the ball in Dwight's hands. Let him be the one to say 'no I do not want to play with Westbrook and Durant' and go to Brooklyn looking foolish"

"If Orlando can get solid core pieces like Ibaka and Harden, or Perkins and Perry Jones, then you really cant say no. Helps both teams out."

that is EXACTLY my thought process. if we have to trade Dwight, we can't go wrong by shipping him out West, getting back solid young pieces to build around, and improving the one team that can stop Miami becoming a dynasty.

as for OKC, they aren't able to pay these players what they're worth. between Harden and Ibaka, someone won't be getting offered the contract they think they're worth, and OKC may be faced with losing them. they also know that they won't beat Miami until they can control the paint and force LeBron outside.

they take the gamble on Dwight because they know it will be damn hard for him to walk away from a championship contending team. heck, there's every real chance they could win it all next year. how does Dwight walk away from that and save face?

most of all, OKC have to hedge their bets. they won't give up BOTH Harden and Ibaka. Perkins contract is a $7M stone that's weighing them down. he's just not worth it.

Howard for Harden, Perkins, Maynor, Perry Jones.

Dwight
Ibaka
Durant
Thabo
Westbrook

and

Perkins/OQuinn
BBD/Nicholson
Hedo/Q/Perry
Harden/JRich/JJ
Maynor/Duhon

still plenty of room to make moves after that. unfortunately, that team would compete for the playoffs and probably just miss out. it's not well equipped to lose to guarantee us some top picks.