Omer Asik and Rockets agree to deal 3 years 25 million

Post #321 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:24 am

AirP. wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Easy decision, we match a three year deal.

This front office and coaching staff believes Omer is DPOY talent. They're not letting that walk.

Obviously you pay him. You pay him reasonably and play him for two years and then use his huge expiring as a trade asset. Someone else said this earlier and I couldn't agree more.

Or you keep him and amnesty Boozer when it balloons?

Sure.

Post #322 » by **coldfish** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:24 am

fleet wrote:
K.C Johnson ‏@KCJHoop
Bulls GM Gar Forman on draft night: "Our decisions this summer will be basketball decisions, not financial decisions.”

https://twitter.com/#!/KCJHoop/

Amen, the mouthpiece is speaking. Ya heard?

OK, good. Korver will be back and so will Watson. Bulls can use the MMLE on a scorer. I hope this is true. I would love nothing more to actually watch the Bulls next season trying to win games.

PistolP · Post #323 » by **PistolP** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:25 am

fleet wrote:
K.C Johnson ‏@KCJHoop
Bulls GM Gar Forman on draft night: "Our decisions this summer will be basketball decisions, not financial decisions.”

https://twitter.com/#!/KCJHoop/

Amen, the mouthpiece is speaking. Ya heard?

If they match, I wonder what he will be saying two summers from now.

Post #324 » by **Rerisen** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:25 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:Asik's $8 million isn't going to a scorer instead. In all likelihood, it's going into JR's pocket.

Astonished people aren't realizing the possibility. As if not signing Asik just means we'll go 10m into tax for the magic player that solves everything. How do you even do that already being at the cap without him.

At least with Asik, you have the talent on hand, to perhaps trade for the right player to balance the team, even if its an overpaid offensive player just as Asik will be an overpaid defensive player.

organix85 · Post #325 » by **organix85** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:25 am

KingCuban wrote:Am i the only one that agrees with Red?

How can people say this is an easy match?

This is a massive decision for the FO.

Morey has pimpslapped Gar here. Its a great move on his behalf, but i dont buy into the fact that its an easy match when we have Jo.

I must say... that is one hell of a rule. It leaves the original team forced to take a massive cap hit. Imagine if they gave him a 4 year deal? We'd owe him like 28.5 million over just the last 2 years.

boogydown · Post #326 » by **boogydown** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:26 am

The Bulls just love Asik. They love him! It goes beyond a basketball relationship people. Why can't you see that?

Post #327 » by **kingkirk** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:26 am

If this FO match Omer and view him as a future DPOY, why would they use his expiring as trade bait if he is rated this highly?

AAU Teammate · Post #328 » by **AAU Teammate** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:27 am

boogydown wrote:The Bulls just love Asik. They love him! It goes beyond a basketball relationship people. Why can't you see that?

So it's not possible in your world that he is a valued basketball player. Got it.

Ctownbulls · Post #329 » by **Ctownbulls** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:27 am

This contract is a lottery ticket. Asik plays in the NBA for two years, shows impressive defensive skills but absolutely no offensive skills or offensive potential and gets $25M. I don't see Reinsdorf paying it off and I don't blame him. Just because the Bulls are making basketball decisions and not "financial" decisions doesn't mean that every basketball decision isn't a financial decision. Thanks for your contributions Omer but walk in to Forman's office and just say thanks for making you rich and be on your way.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #330 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:27 am

We have a talented but injury prone starting Center. I'm not letting his very talented backup walk away - especially if ownership has made a commitment to pay the tax.

Red Larrivee · Post #331 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:28 am

Rerisen wrote:At least with Asik, you have the talent on hand, to perhaps trade for the right player to balance the team, even if its an overpaid offensive player just as Asik will be an overpaid defensive player.

That player is going to be an overpaid offensive player for a reason. Just like Boozer right now is an overpaid offensive player. Just like Elton Brand. Just like Corey Maggette.

It's not exciting to dream about the Bulls making a Ben Gordon/Corey Maggette type swap or a Gilbert Arenas/Rashard Lewis type swap. It doesn't make the team better and it's just switching bad contracts. Either way your team is imbalanced and you don't have a lot of money to get better. You're not getting an all-star talent for Asik on a $14M expiring.

The Bulls are not going to fall off a cliff if they lose Omer Asik. I value what he brings to the table, but not a ridiculous sum of money that will screw our cap up.

Ctownbulls · Post #332 » by **Ctownbulls** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:28 am

Rerisen wrote:
bullsnewdynasty wrote:Asik's $8 million isn't going to a scorer instead. In all likelihood, it's going into JR's pocket.

Astonished people aren't realizing the possibility. As if not signing Asik just means we'll go 10m into tax for the magic player that solves everything. How do you even do that already being at the cap without him.

At least with Asik, you have the talent on hand, to perhaps trade for the right player to balance the team, even if its an overpaid offensive player just as Asik will be an overpaid defensive player.

Just because there isn't a current player that the Bulls can sign instead of Asik that will put them over the top doesn't mean they have to waste the money on him.

AAU Teammate · Post #333 » by **AAU Teammate** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:30 am

Kind of a different spin on this, but we know zero about the ownership's intentions, past and present. Just one example scenario: Jerry may have not been paying the tax in past years because he realized that after the new CBA, it would take wayyy more money to have a winning basketball team. As in, they were storing it up back then...for now.

So maybe now it is the dawn of his taxpaying era. And it will start this year to some extent since we have 3 more players to sign....at the least.

Further, Michael Reinsdorf is starting to take more control of the basketball side, so maybe he will green light tax paying.

red222 · Post #334 » by **red222** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:30 am

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:We have a talented but injury prone starting Center. I'm not letting his very talented backup walk away - especially if ownership has made a commitment to pay the tax.

we'll see the devil is still hot my primate friend

Post #335 » by **kingkirk** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:30 am

BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:
KingCuban wrote:Am i the only one that agrees with Red?

How can people say this is an easy match?

This is a massive decision for the FO.

Morey has pimpslapped Gar here. Its a great move on his behalf, but i dont buy into the fact that its an easy match when we have Jo.

No, you're not the only one with Red. I'm with both of you on this one.

We should have traded him when we had the chance. I believe that the smart choice now, is to let him walk.

Thank christ.

I just dont see how we cant justify it by saying he is a DPOY calibre centre but we would then be happy to trade this defensive presence as an expiring.

Doesnt make sense.

DanTown8587 · Post #336 » by **DanTown8587** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:31 am

DuckIII wrote:
AirP. wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Obviously you pay him. You pay him reasonably and play him for two years and then use his huge expiring as a trade asset. Someone else said this earlier and I couldn't agree more.

Or you keep him and amnesty Boozer when it balloons?

Sure.

What if Omer costs you any of the following

Luol Deng
Taj Gibson
Joakim Noah

Would you do it then?

Even amnestying Boozer (or better known as JR throwing away cash) doesn't really solve anything. that just takes you away from "holy crap we are slated to pay $120 million in cash for this team".

boogydown · Post #337 » by **boogydown** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:31 am

coldfish wrote:OK, good. Korver will be back and so will Watson. Bulls can use the MMLE on a scorer. I hope this is true. I would love nothing more to actually watch the Bulls next season trying to win games.

We'll likely let 2 of the 3 go.

Korver or Watson.

I assume Jimmy Butler will be our backup Shooting Guard this year.

Cutting Korver makes sense if we can find another shooter.
Cutting Watson makes sense if we can find a combo guard (West or Hinrich)

Projected Lineup
West - JL3 - Teague
Rip - Butler
Deng - Korver
Boozer - Gibson
Noah - Asik

Then maybe we add a short term 5th big or 5 guard who we cut in January?

PistolP · Post #338 » by **PistolP** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:32 am

Yr 1: 12mpg
Yr 2: 15mpg

Playoffs last year when Noah was healthy: 10mpg

I'd rather just give Taj some extra minutes (which he deserves), sign a cheap scrub to foul Dwight & Bynum the few times a year we play them, and use the full MLE elsewhere

bullsnewdynasty · Post #339 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:32 am

DanTown8587 wrote:What if Omer costs you any of the following

Luol Deng
Taj Gibson
Joakim Noah

Would you do it then?

Even amnestying Boozer (or better known as JR throwing away cash) doesn't really solve anything. that just takes you away from "holy crap we are slated to pay $120 million in cash for this team".

Why would we have to get rid of anyone? If management TRULY believes this team is a contender, then they should be willing to pay to keep it together.

BigUps · Post #340 » by **BigUps** » Mon Jul 2, 2012 1:32 am

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:We have a talented but injury prone starting Center. I'm not letting his very talented backup walk away - especially if ownership has made a commitment to pay the tax.

Don't let your Bomer get in the way of thinking rationally here Magilla. I know you love Asik, but this is a bad deal for the Bulls to take on.