Who should we have taken at #32? (for the record)

[nate33]

Except as I posted, there was not roster spot for him, let alone the 2nd 2nd round pick which is why giving that pick was no big deal.

Wall/Mack
Crawford/Beal/Mason
C Singleton/Ariza
Nene/Ves/Booker
Okafor/Kevin/Dray

That's 13 which I believe is as many slots as a team can have.

With maybe Martin, James Singleton, Jeffers, Almond as options for inactive roster players or active for some period of time if Mason or Mack are inactive. Martin likely get signed his he excepts an offer. That leave one more slot for deep bench player.

So where was this 2nd round player going to play ? They weren't. They would be inactive or in the D League. Which is why an international stash players made sense. They don't take a roster spot and they don't get paid.

Teams can carry 15 players, with 12 on the active roster. Most teams tend to carry 14, leaving one spot open for a midseason acquisition.

The lineup you posted has only 13 players. We could easily have drafted Crowder as the 14th. It wouldn't bother me if he started out on the inactive list, but my assumption is that he would eventually outplay Singleton in practice and bump Singleton down to inactive. There's also injuries to consider. And Blatche might be amnestied.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Except as I posted, there was not roster spot for him, let alone the 2nd 2nd round pick which is why giving that pick was no big deal.

Wall/Mack
Crawford/Beal/Mason
C Singleton/Ariza
Nene/Ves/Booker
Okafor/Kevin/Dray

That's 13 which I believe is as many slots as a team can have.

With maybe Martin, James Singleton, Jeffers, Almond as options for inactive roster players or active for some period of time if Mason or Mack are inactive. Martin likely get signed his he excepts an offer. That leave one more slot for deep bench player.

So where was this 2nd round player going to play ? They weren't. They would be inactive or in the D League. Which is why an international stash players made sense. They don't take a roster spot and they don't get paid.

Teams can carry 15 players, with 12 on the active roster. Most teams tend to carry 14, leaving one spot open for a midseason acquisition.

The lineup you posted has only 13 players. We could easily have drafted Crowder as the 14th. It wouldn't bother me if he started out on the inactive list, but my assumption is that he would eventually outplay Singleton in practice and bump Singleton down to inactive. There's also injuries to consider. And Blatche might be amnestied.

Right, and if you draft a guy like Lamb or Crowder, if you don't want another young player keep him at Dleague to develop. We can bring him up at the end of the year, or sooner if injuries open an opportunity. I remember when Ted took over him saying something along the lines of they wanted to utilize the Dleague more.

[jivelikenice]

If you assign a rook to the d-league the clock still starts on their rookie deal.

[jivelikenice]

Quincy Miller, Quincy Acy, Quincy Jones, John Quincy Adams, Dr. Quincy M.E.

Come on dude...Pick one! That's the point of going on the record with who you would have taken! Otherwise its too easy to be a Monday morning QB.

I for the record would have taken D Lamb; but I don't think Satoransky was a punted pick either. I like what I've read/seen on him.

[hands11]

Except as I posted, there was not roster spot for him, let alone the 2nd 2nd round pick which is why giving that pick was no big deal.

Wall/Mack
Crawford/Beal/Mason
C Singleton/Ariza
Nene/Ves/Booker
Okafor/Kevin/Dray

That's 13 which I believe is as many slots as a team can have.

With maybe Martin, James Singleton, Jeffers, Almond as options for inactive roster players or active for some period of time if Mason or Mack are inactive. Martin likely get signed his he excepts an offer. That leave one more slot for deep bench player.

So where was this 2nd round player going to play ? They weren't. They would be inactive or in the D League. Which is why an international stash players made sense. They don't take a roster spot and they don't get paid.

Teams can carry 15 players, with 12 on the active roster. Most teams tend to carry 14, leaving one spot open for a midseason acquisition.

The lineup you posted has only 13 players. We could easily have drafted Crowder as the 14th. It wouldn't bother me if he started out on the inactive list, but my assumption is that he would eventually outplay Singleton in practice and bump Singleton down to inactive. There's also injuries to consider. And Blatche might be amnestied.

I had heard they extended the active rosters to 13 permanently. I'm pretty sure this is true.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/02/24 ... e-altered/

I don't think it is their plan to amnesty Dray. So while it may be other peoples plan I don't believe it is theirs and that would help explain their decisions on who to draft.

I posted why there was no room but you seem to be ignoring that. This is also posted In the projected line ups thread. I liked Crowder and pre draft I said I wanted him and Beal. But given who they drafted I see better what they are planning and why they didnt add Crowder.

[hands11]

If you assign a rook to the d-league the clock still starts on their rookie deal.

And he takes a roster spot. Their pick does neither.

[Nivek]

My pick would have been Crowder.

Other good choices at that spot: Denmon, Barton, Quincy Miller, Orlando Johnson.

Hopefully Satoransky will be good, though.

[nate33]

I posted why there was no room but you seem to be ignoring that. This is also posted In the projected line ups thread. I liked Crowder and pre draft I said I wanted him and Beal. But given who they drafted I see better what they are planning and why they didnt add Crowder.

I didn't ignore anything. I explained to you why 13 players is not a full roster and why a 14th makes sense. Furthermore, if we added a 14th, he should probably fit a position where we are weakest: SF.

[closg00]

I posted why there was no room but you seem to be ignoring that. This is also posted In the projected line ups thread. I liked Crowder and pre draft I said I wanted him and Beal. But given who they drafted I see better what they are planning and why they didnt add Crowder.

I didn't ignore anything. I explained to you why 13 players is not a full roster and why a 14th makes sense. Furthermore, if we added a 14th, he should probably fit a position where we are weakest: SF.

Nate, it appears as-though Hands doesn't want to admit that he is factually wrong on this point. Don't sweat-it.

[The Consiglieri]

As an intellectual exercise, I'd like for everyone to chime in and state who they would have taken at #32 this year given the players that were on the board. A year or two from now, we can look back and see how much (if at all) EG blundered by taking the Euro draft-and-stash rather than "my guy".

For the record, I would have taken Quincy Miller.

Miller:

My board would have read:

1. Q. Miller-He shouldn't be back to his recruit self till the late fall of 2012, so he may take some time to develop but this guy was the #4 recruit in a class that included Beal, MKG, Davis, Drummond, McAdoo, Teague and a load of others. Pre-ACL injury he was even higher, I think only Davis and Drummond were ahead of him at that point. If he's healthy, he has all the length in the world and tremendous ability. At slot 32 (or 38) where he went, he represented a potential value of +20 slots. That's freaking immense. He may bust, but for a team needing a legit small forward to develop, he was easily the highest upside guy left, and easily had the most raw talent.

2. Will Barton: Massive sleeper with huge value, and a fantastic chemistry fit with a team that needed to add players with great attitutudes and work habits. He would have helped a ton, and was a steal in the draft. There is a chance his rail thin body, and tweener issue renders him a bench guy and no better ever, but he's a high upside bet on a guy with great tools, a clear role, a great attitude and great work habits.

3. Jae Crowder: Fantastic attitude, absolute killer worker in a major conference, Crowder has shown he can compete against the very best despite not ever having ideal size or speed for his position. He plays with immense "want to", and could have added a poor man's version of Faried to our team this year. Every team, EVERY TEAM, can find room for a Faried type. My only concern is that he may never measure well enough to really be a starter, but its damn hard to imagine him being unable to contribute at the next level considering his work rate, and maximization patterns in terms of talent and upside at the college level.


4. Marcus Denmon: Only issue he has is size, he has EVERYTHING else. Would have been a great final guard for our rotation, I can definitely see him busting, but I also know he's definitively better than Satoransky right now, the only things the Czech has on him are measurements.

5. Doron Lamb: Perfect back up two guard, perfect shooter off the bench. He could have filled a role quite well.

6. Kyle O'Quinn or Tomas Satoranksy:

After those five guys, I really struggle to find guys that I view as definitively better in terms of upside, or right now ability than Satoranksy. I like Kim English, but I think Satoranksy would have offered more potentially long term. I also liked O'Quinn, but I've seen so many of his type fail at the next level, that it isn't difficult at all for me to see O'Quinn or a guy like Draymond Green, fail. I think at this point in the draft, I'd be inclined to take Satoranksy. As others have hinted at or said, I don't view Satoranksy as a busted pick, outside of our board, all the sources that have scouted/commented on him by and large considered him the #1 or #2 Euro in the draft with a lot of potential. He definitely doesnt sound like a bust. He's basically a guy who could have gone 25-45 depending upon how things had panned out this past year for him, in the end he appeared to be a target of ours at 32 and 46, and for the Warriors at 35 or 52.

I don't hate the player, i just hate the pick at 32 considering the talent available. It was the wrong pick, and it's particularly bad if the justification is that we didn't have the roster spot, or we didnt have the money. That's idiotic. We were 29th in the league last year. We don't have a room for a guy that could be a flat out stud at our biggest position of need going forward in 2 or 3 years? Really? That reasoning is beyond idiotic. Of course we had room, it's just dumb and dumber thinking we'll be fine with plug and play scrubs for the time being, and didn't want to add another kid, well there were ideal kids with fantastic BBIQ's and team chemistry assets available, as well as fantastic upside picks that trumped Satoransky. He wasn't the best player there. Its the same kind of botched thinking that blew a whole pile of second rounders across the past decade, misevaluation of our own assets as well as of our own needs.