Omer Asik and Rockets agree to deal 3 years 25 million

[fleet]

he's white, he's tall. Therefore he's a stiff. Do the math.

[thedarkstark]

he's white, he's tall. Therefore he's a stiff. Do the math.

I've crunched the numbers and it all adds up.

[1rage]

Dumping Omer is going to unlock the solution to all the Bulls problems I guess.

Dumping Omer is going to make us an elite offense I guess.

My, how the dumping of Omer giftwraps OJ Mayo for us in the mind of some. Even if that deal were possible, it would:

(1) still complicate the future finances and need to pay the tax or do an amnesty
(2) it would make us go from elite on defense, sub-elite on offense to sub-elite in both



Oh but it's all ok, because he averages 5 rebounds. The people who quote that and use it as a BAD thing need to learn which stats are based on playing time and which stats account for it. 5 rebounds....in 15 minutes played per game.

didn't you hear? We're magically getting the cap space and be able to trade peanuts for a star SG.

[Mech Engineer]

ATRAIN has absolutely no concept of the stiff 7-foot center if he thinks Omer is it.

Omer moves extremely well for a guy that size. If you say he's a slow stiff, you are embarassing yourself in front of everyone who posts here, basically. It shows you have either never seen average agility 7 footers in the NBA, or are just too consumed with your own point to stop and think about an Aaron Gray, a Yinka Dare, etc

this thread has been an excellent way for me to identify who knows what the hell they're talking about. You sir, know what the hell you are talking about.

Thread is also providing the exact opposite service as well.............unfortunately..

Would it be a stretch to call Asik the most athletic 7 footer(Noah, Tyrus are not 7 feet technically) in Bulls recent history(20 years)?

[ChicagoTRS]

Bulls are pretty much screwed if they match and screwed if they don't match.

If they match the offer they are taking a risk that they will be able to move Asik when he is expiring for a piece that does not cripple the roster.

If they do not match they made a huge mistake not trading Asik last season or the prior season when teams were offering decent packages for him.

Personally while in no way do I think Asik is worth 15 million in that third year I think you have to match and hope you can trade him that season. Does his production warrant the contract = no. But I think it is another building block/contract that can be used to acquire talent in a trade and he definitely has value on the roster the next two seasons. Now if keeping Asik means the Bulls definitely lose Taj and/or Noah then you let Asik go.

[ChicagoTRS]

Would it be a stretch to call Asik the most athletic 7 footer(Noah, Tyrus are not 7 feet technically) in Bulls recent history(20 years)?

Do not think he is more athletic than Chandler or probably even Curry...but not whole lot of good looking over the past 20 seasons of Bulls 7 footers.

[southpaw954]

ATRAIN has absolutely no concept of the stiff 7-foot center if he thinks Omer is it.

Omer moves extremely well for a guy that size. If you say he's a slow stiff, you are embarassing yourself in front of everyone who posts here, basically. It shows you have either never seen average agility 7 footers in the NBA, or are just too consumed with your own point to stop and think about an Aaron Gray, a Yinka Dare, etc

Thank you so much for the Yinka Dare reference. I think that was the 1stexact time ever that Yinka Dare &Aaron Gray were mentioned in the same breath. BRAVO!!!

[AAU Teammate]

Bulls are pretty much screwed if they match and screwed if they don't match.

If they match the offer they are taking a risk that they will be able to move Asik when he is expiring for a piece that does not cripple the roster.

If they do not match they made a huge mistake not trading Asik last season or the prior season when teams were offering decent packages for him.

Personally while in no way do I think Asik is worth 15 million in that third year I think you have to match and hope you can trade him that season. Does his production warrant the contract = no. But I think it is another building block/contract that can be used to acquire talent in a trade and he definitely has value on the roster the next two seasons. Now if keeping Asik means the Bulls definitely lose Taj and/or Noah then you let Asik go.

The Bulls are screwed unless they are willing to pay the tax in the future. That's the one sticking point. The other option is finding a team that will shave a year off Boozer's salary, which is preferable to paying the tax.

Would a future 1st as a sweetner make Carlos easier to unload?

[Bruteque]

The Bulls have no doubt been quietly shopping Deng, Noah, and Boozer even before Houston's offer. At their respective prices, only Noah is realistically moveable for non-junk. I think it is the Bulls' plan all along to re-sign/match Asik as Noah's cheaper replacement and trade Noah for non-junk. It was unlikely the Bulls would keep Noah to begin with.

This is what I think the Bulls can do: Match Asik as Noah's "cheap" (haha) replacement and trade Noah to Houston for Kevin Martin and some combination of their rookie-contract players, then offer Martin $6.6 mil per at the end of the season to limit his FA options. If Martin likes it here, then he will re-sign instead of going to a bad team with cap room.

The Bulls are desperate for some rookie-contract playes who can play, and I would love to see what the likes of Donatas Motiejunas, Jeremy Lamb, and Royce White can do in Chicago, especially if we end up keeping Martin for cheap. This way the Bulls doesn't lose anybody "for nothing" and may quiet possibly end up with the better team than they begin with.

[NSJ]

I'm really getting sick and tired of this "Bulls are screwed if they match Omer" line. The Bulls are NOT screwed, they don't even have to trade him in the 3rd year.

All they have to do is pay the damn tax!!! Miami happily builds assets and pays the tax--all the ambitious clubs do it.

The Bulls will be one of the very few clubs who will pay the tax AND remain incredibly profitable.

Why is this hard to understand??? Honestly, now.

I will lose respect for the management if they fail to re-sign Asik. This should be a 'basketball decision'.

[biggestbullsfan]

he's white, he's tall. Therefore he's a stiff. Do the math.

I've crunched the numbers and it all adds up.

Being a black man, this bothers me.

[ChicagoTRS]

The Bulls are screwed unless they are willing to pay the tax in the future. That's the one sticking point. The other option is finding a team that will shave a year off Boozer's salary, which is preferable to paying the tax.

Would a future 1st as a sweetner make Carlos easier to unload?

I am not worried on Boozer the Bulls will amnesty him if not after this season the next. They will eat the Boozer money so it does not count against the tax. Generally not in the Bulls playbook to waste money but amnestying Boozer makes too much sense...and will in the end save them money.

[Mech Engineer]

Would it be a stretch to call Asik the most athletic 7 footer(Noah, Tyrus are not 7 feet technically) in Bulls recent history(20 years)?

Do not think he is more athletic than Chandler or probably even Curry...but not whole lot of good looking over the past 20 seasons of Bulls 7 footers.

Oops!! I forgot about Chandler. But Curry couldn't jump either to get rebounds...remember the infamous Skiles comment on how Curry can improve his rebounding.

Anyhow, the point is Asik is pretty athletic for his size and on top of it has better fundamentals and skills on defense than Chandler had with 2/3 years of NBA experience. There is no reason why Asik if healthy can't get to the Chandler's level of impact on defense in a few years.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Would it be a stretch to call Asik the most athletic 7 footer(Noah, Tyrus are not 7 feet technically) in Bulls recent history(20 years)?

Do not think he is more athletic than Chandler or probably even Curry...but not whole lot of good looking over the past 20 seasons of Bulls 7 footers.

Oops!! I forgot about Chandler. But Curry couldn't jump either to get rebounds...remember the infamous Skiles comment on how Curry can improve his rebounding.

Anyhow, the point is Asik is pretty athletic for his size and on top of it has better fundamentals and skills on defense than Chandler had with 2/3 years of NBA experience. There is no reason why Asik if healthy can't get to the Chandler's level of impact on defense in a few years.

That was Skiles fault for not putting a stick of butter on top of the backboard.

[MrFortune3]

Erick Dampier is probably more of a stiff than Omer. Asik is pretty athletic for his size, which is what makes him really good at defense.

[DanTown8587]

Would it be a stretch to call Asik the most athletic 7 footer(Noah, Tyrus are not 7 feet technically) in Bulls recent history(20 years)?

Do not think he is more athletic than Chandler or probably even Curry...but not whole lot of good looking over the past 20 seasons of Bulls 7 footers.

Oops!! I forgot about Chandler. But Curry couldn't jump either to get rebounds...remember the infamous Skiles comment on how Curry can improve his rebounding.

Anyhow, the point is Asik is pretty athletic for his size and on top of it has better fundamentals and skills on defense than Chandler had with 2/3 years of NBA experience. There is no reason why Asik if healthy can't get to the Chandler's level of impact on defense in a few years.

Curry might not be a seven footer, but he was more athletic than Omer. The only question with Eddy was his mental desire to be better, not the physical attributes that he had.

[molepharmer]

I'm really getting sick and tired of this "Bulls are screwed if they match Omer" line. The Bulls are NOT screwed, they don't even have to trade him in the 3rd year.

All they have to do is pay the damn tax!!! .......

As I understand it, there's more to it than that. During Omer's last contract year, they'll also have Noah + DRose combined for $30mil; that's $44 mil for a PG and 2 centers. Add Gibson ($7 mil), don't re-sign Deng and amnesty Boozer, they're at ~$51 mil for 4 players with very little or no room under the cap to sign free agents. That's why many here are saying that matching Houston's offer means either Noah or Taj are gone - if they don't trade Omer's last year to somebody.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Why would the Bulls want money under the cap? This team needs to abandon any hopes of signing guys through free agency unless you want an average player signed to a bloated contract.

[BuffaloBull]

I'm really getting sick and tired of this "Bulls are screwed if they match Omer" line. The Bulls are NOT screwed, they don't even have to trade him in the 3rd year.

All they have to do is pay the damn tax!!! .......

As I understand it, there's more to it than that. During Omer's last contract year, they'll also have Noah + DRose combined for $30mil; that's $44 mil for a PG and 2 centers. Add Gibson ($7 mil), don't re-sign Deng and amnesty Boozer, they're at ~$51 mil for 4 players with very little or no room under the cap to sign free agents. That's why many here are saying that matching Houston's offer means either Noah or Taj are gone - if they don't trade Omer's last year to somebody.

But what's the major harm in waiting a year, letting Omer walk/signing him to a new contract/orchestrating a sign and trade, and then retooling? Unless there is a single target in mind, I think that FA window is essentially open the same amount year to year. There isn't a young player on the horizon (unless Jimmy Butler becomes an uber stud somehow) who is going to demand a huge contract.

Our window before was limited to 2010 because Noah had a big extensions slated to kick in. So it was really 2010 or not at all. but 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 don't seem to have the same urgency.

[BuffaloBull]

The other major factor to consider is the tax clock. The atomic tax bomb in the new CBA is the repeater penalties. But to activate them you have to be a taxpayer in the last 4 out of 5 years.

So the Bulls can pay the tax throughout the 3 years of Omer's contract if they know that they will be able to get under in Year 4.

The high salary in that 3rd year is unpalatable, but it's not completely undigestible. I expect the Bulls, at this point, to match, and maybe figure things out between Omer and Taj at this trade deadline or next offseason.