Pacers looking at yet another SG....

DWCP2 · Post #1 » by **DWCP2** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 6:03 pm

Eric Gordon
OJ Mayo
Brandon Roy
Jamal Crawford?
Gerald Green
Carlos Delfino

Bigs:
Ian Mahinmi
Chris Kaman

Getting interesting?

Post #2 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 6:40 pm

Mahinmi would be a great veteran option off the bench, and additional insurance in case of injuries.

We just simply can't get Gordon. Mayo would be a great combo guard option and would free us up to move Collison, as would Crawford. Delfino has some offense that would be nice. Gerald Green is an option, but not high on the list.

Crowman · Post #3 » by **Crowman** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 12:12 am

Gerald Green is the best off the lot im not sure if you watch any other team than the Pacers Scoot because Crawford sucks

Post #4 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 12:24 am

Crawford had a down year, but has proven to be a better player in the NBA than everyone on that list than Eric Gordon.

I end up watching a lot of Cavaliers as well (I live in Cleveland), and I see a ton of whom they play.

However, I would add a new option, and maybe the best one yet (for the price), the Rockets WITHDREW their qualifying offer to Courtney Lee making him un-restricted. Great defensive player and a great long-range shooter. Very complementary to George and Granger. Probably best right at MLE type money.

SmashMouthRod · Post #5 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:30 am

I like the idea of Courtney Lee; OJ Mayo or Crawford on reasonable contracts.

basketballwacko2 · Post #6 » by **basketballwacko2** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:40 am

Courtney Lee would be a good option and should come cheep.

Starkiller · Post #7 » by **Starkiller** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:42 am

I'd like Nic Batum a lot.

[RCG] · Post #8 » by **[RCG]** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:51 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:Courtney Lee would be a good option and should come cheep.

He isn't going to come cheap. MLE at least.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #9 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 6:04 am

[RCG] wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:Courtney Lee would be a good option and should come cheep.

He isn't going to come cheap. MLE at least.

He might take less to play in Indiana, not much though if he does and we could probably offer a year longer than some other teams. 3/15 is MLE, no? We could offer 4/18. Throw in a few hundred thousand if he wants.

jowglenn · Post #10 » by **jowglenn** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 9:19 am

Brandon Roy and Gerald Green would be a good combo. Green because he clearly has worked his ass off to go from ultra-bust to fun comeback story. I believe he will keep working hard and brings a very athletic option on the wing.

Brandon Roy because, well, he's Brandon Roy, and if German knee magic can make him just 30% of the player he once was, it's worth it.

8305 · Post #11 » by **8305** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 12:27 pm

Pleasantly surprised to see Courtney Lee join the ranks of UFA. Short of Eric Gordon I think he's about as good as we can do. I think he fits the mold of the type player we are building around. With Collison and him coming off the bench we would have 5 solid players manning positions 1 - 3. Under these circumstances I expect us to use more small lineups (Granger playing more at the 4). I think a team wanting to compete with Miami or OkC will have to be able to match up with a small lineup. To do that you need the extra starting caliber wing player. Lee fits that criteria.

Post #12 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 2:22 pm

jowglenn wrote:Brandon Roy and Gerald Green would be a good combo. Green because he clearly has worked his ass off to go from ultra-bust to fun comeback story. I believe he will keep working hard and brings a very athletic option on the wing.

Brandon Roy because, well, he's Brandon Roy, and if German knee magic can make him just 30% of the player he once was, it's worth it.

The German orthokine knee procedure (that Kobe and ARod are advocating) has been confirmed to be of NO help whatsoever for Roy's knee problems (namely, that he doesn't really have knees anymore).

Wizop · Post #13 » by **Wizop** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:04 pm

and Gordon got a max offer elsewhere. I suppose we could get in the mix too with a max offer but NO is said to be planning to match and I can't see giving both Roy and EJ max contracts.

I can see Lee at the right price but I'm glad we get to look at OJ and Lance in the summer league before the 11th. I found it interesting that both Lance and D Jones were at the complex to work out with OJ yesterday. I just can't make a case that upgrading the backcourt is a priority. I don't see any reason why you couldn't go into the season planning on a three man rotation of DC, GH, and PG. you have Lance, and OJ, and D Jones to plug in on those nights where playing DC and GH together won't work.

what I really want is another true 3 so PG can play more 2 and less 3. D Jones is our only other option and there are a lot of 3's who are too big for him to guard. I wonder what we could get for DJ and our first next year. that sounds like a lot but if the plan is to let DJ go when his deal expires next year and use our draft pick to get a replacement, such a trade would put you in the same place a year earlier.

8305 · Post #14 » by **8305** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:40 pm

I like the idea of getting another solid wing player. I think to match up with either OKC or Miami you will have to be able to put a competitive small unit on the floor. To do that we need another solid wing player. We would have some pretty intesting options for playing small ball.

C. Hibbert, West, Plumlee
PF. Granger
SF. George, Lee
SG. Lee, Hill
PG. Collison, Hill

A guy like Lee provides another scorer to the second unit and will make it easier to run offensive challenged guys like either Plumlee or Pendergraft out there.

Post #15 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:46 pm

I simply am not comfortable merely assuming that Lance and Orlando are going to be major cogs in the rotation until I am shown that they can be consistently. Unfortunately, I can't really take summer league to count for anything.

Islander · Post #16 » by **Islander** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:51 pm

No to Gerald Green. The last thing the Pacers need is another natural SF playing out of position at SG. The inability of 6'9" Paul George to create off the dribble has hurt the Pacers at SG. This isn't Joe Johnson we're talking about. Paul should be Danny's backup.

The Pacers should target a natural SG such as Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo although I'm not thrilled with either one in the starting lineup. Think Orlando Johnson might turn out better than both. Like the Pacers to find some minutes for him.

SmashMouthRod · Post #17 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 10:28 pm

I think Paul George can develop his ball handling and his whole overall offensive skill set with time. Joe Johnson took 3 years to blossom into the player he has become. Johnson didnt average double figures in points until his third season. I would expect Paul George to look more like the player he will be next season. Next season the Pacers will have a more accurate idea of what kind of player George is going to be. Several players will be in their third and fourth seasons and should make significant improvements. The pacers going to use this coming season as a potential measuring stick for Lance Stephenson; Paul George; George Hill; and Roy Hibbert .

DWCP2 · Post #18 » by **DWCP2** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:00 am

The fact that the Pacers have yet to sign another SG suggests one of two things.

1. Either the Pacers are treading carefully with this because they are right at the expected salary cap threshold and want to match Roy Hibberts contract or be in a position to do so.

2. The fact is, few to none of the options outside of Eric Gordon and maybe Courtney Lee are better in skill set and/or salary then what the Pacers already have in Lance Stephenson.

Boneman2 · Post #19 » by **Boneman2** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:22 am

I think PG's anticipation helps him immensely, allowing him to play hellish defense and throw high quality dimes.

Post #20 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 1:42 pm

DWCP2 wrote:The fact that the Pacers have yet to sign another SG suggests one of two things.

1. Either the Pacers are treading carefully with this because they are right at the expected salary cap threshold and want to match Roy Hibberts contract or be in a position to do so.

2. The fact is, few to none of the options outside of Eric Gordon and maybe Courtney Lee are better in skill set and/or salary then what the Pacers already have in Lance Stephenson.

As to 1, since we hold Bird Rights on Hibbert, we can sign other players up to the salary cap, and then go over the cap to re-sign both Hibbert and Hill. Sure, that would put us closer to the luxury tax, too, but ultimately, we'd be ok.

As to 2, as of right now, we just don't have much in Lance. He's certainly nothing we can count or depend upon. I would certainly hate to just assume that he has the position held down, and then he has another slip up mentally, or just doesn't produce on the court, and all of a sudden, we are in serious trouble.