Roy Hibbert - Indy says they will match/offer same terms.

sabi · Post #301 » by **sabi** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 8:32 pm

Our only chance is if they get a good deal on Kaman IMO

d-train · Post #302 » by **d-train** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 8:34 pm

Walsh is a smart guy. If he wants Hibbert and wants to pay him his market value, he will match the Blazers offer. But, if he believes Hibbert isn't worth the money, he will negotiate a trade. He isn't going to tell anyone he doesn't plan to match Blazers offer because if he does he lowers his bargaining leverage.

BlazersRizing · Post #303 » by **BlazersRizing** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 8:44 pm

for all the people saying Indy will for sure match.... I think it speaks volumes that there's been no whispers of that really. not any major sources.. just beat writers throwing in 2 cents like that means anything.

PDXKnight · Post #304 » by **PDXKnight** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 8:51 pm

Here's Walsh..

“We’re either going to match or not match, but we’re looking at all our options and looking at what else we might do,” he said. “We’re trying to make our team better, but our first priority is still keeping Roy. We’re obviously working under a (salary) cap, and you want to keep the team in a position of being able to grow as you go along. That’s what we’re analyzing right now.”

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120702/SPORTS15/120702058/Pacers-little-consider-Just-pay-Roy-Hibbert-says-Bob-Kravitz

cucad8 · Post #305 » by **cucad8** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 8:51 pm

If you don't want it from the beat writers, and other writers speculating, who DO you want to say they will match? Do you expect Walsh or KP to come out now and say it?

d-train · Post #306 » by **d-train** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 8:57 pm

The Blazers knew going in that Hibbert is a RFA. The Pacers have the right to match offers made to Hibbert. The Blazers are not guaranteed a player in the bargaining process with another team's RFA.

BlazersRizing · Post #307 » by **BlazersRizing** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 9:27 pm

cucad8 wrote:If you don't want it from the beat writers, and other writers speculating, who DO you want to say they will match? Do you expect Walsh or KP to come out now and say it?

a big name source.. Wojo or someone like that.. Broussard.. any big name to at least say "sources are saying Indy will match"

GeraldWallace3 · Post #308 » by **GeraldWallace3** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 9:30 pm

The wait is agonizing

DusterBuster · Post #309 » by **DusterBuster** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 9:35 pm

GeraldWallace3 wrote:The wait is agonizing

Still got 8 more days too.

LicketyBrindle · Post #310 » by **LicketyBrindle** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 9:56 pm

I still am very confident that Indy will match, but if they don't then here is my prediction:

Hibbert becomes a Blazer. Plays well up until December and then suffers a major knee injury and then barely plays over the rest of his contract. Meanwhile, Indy signs Greg Oden and he stays healthy and goes on to become an all star for them averaging 20/15/5.

Isn't this our franchise's luck?

LicketyBrindle · Post #311 » by **LicketyBrindle** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 9:59 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
GeraldWallace3 wrote:The wait is agonizing

Still got 8 more days too.

Actually, isn't it 11 more days? He can sign in 8 days and then 72 hours to match is how I think it works.

GreenRiddler · Post #312 » by **GreenRiddler** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 10:08 pm

Oden2 wrote:I got quite a few responses but to answer them in a nutshell, I don't think you guys took the right thing from my post. I was mainly attempting to bring some form of subjectivity to the argument considering that it seems about 95 percent of you are gung ho sold on Hibbert. Would I like him? Yes. Are there other bigs who cost less and produce equal or more? Yes. (Gortat, Horford, ALDRIDGE, Garnett, Noah,Chandler, Faried, Monroe, Bogut, Lee, Griffin, Marc Gasol, Pekovich?, Cousins, Tim Duncan (likely going to make less), Ibaka, Favors?, Nene)

I think its ridiculous that most didn't want Okafor's contract but here many of you act as if this contract offer is out of this world. Again I wouldn't mind him on the team but I think if we signed someone like Humphries and either kept the cap space for future seasons or trades, we'd be all the better off for waiting. If you look earlier in the thread I mentioned how good Hibbert can be, I just am wondering what we might be able to do with the cap space otherwise. It certainly never hurts to have a bit of room to maneuver. Also if you recall, KP used to talk about keeping toxic contracts off the books and frankly I think there are better ways to deal with our talent situation other than offering a player who is riding off a playoff high a premium rate. Now I'm not saying it'd be a bad signing but I think its money that may be better spent.

What are you talking about?

Are there other bigs who cost less and produce equal or more? Yes. (Gortat, Horford, ALDRIDGE, Garnett, Noah,Chandler, Faried, Monroe, Bogut, Lee, Griffin, Marc Gasol, Pekovich?, Cousins, Tim Duncan (likely going to make less), Ibaka, Favors?, Nene)[/i]
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Horford, Noah, Chandler, Mar Gasol all would make more then or equal to what Hibbert would this year and are not clear cut better than him. Gortat,Ibaka are not better than him, Griffin and Lee are PF not Centers

Garnett and Duncan are way too old and could not be had, not to mention neither can dominate in the playoffs like Hibbert can..Number Never Lie....Favors, Monroe and Faried are on rookie scale contracts and are not better than him. Real it in pal, cap space is great but he hasn't made an all-star game before.

GreenRiddler · Post #313 » by **GreenRiddler** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 10:16 pm

LicketyBrindle wrote:I still am very confident that Indy will match, but if they don't then here is my prediction:

Hibbert becomes a Blazer. Plays well up until December and then suffers a major knee injury and then barely plays over the rest of his contract. Meanwhile, Indy signs Greg Oden and he stays healthy and goes on to become an all star for them averaging 20/15/5.

Isn't this our franchise's luck?

I knew I should have said.. Hibbert comment on a Knee injury in 3..2..1 at the beginning of the thread.
He only missed like 3 games in 3 seasons as awkward as he is, he is durable.

BballFanAddict · Post #314 » by **BballFanAddict** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 10:28 pm

Is it possible to front or back load a max deal like the one being offered by Portland for Hibbert? I thought I read somewhere that the new CBA makes it much more difficult to frontload, but makes it possible to backload. However, isn't a max contract just that, a max contract? Can you add a signing bonus? Can you make all of the raises due at a certain year in the contract?

Wizenheimer · Post #315 » by **Wizenheimer** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 10:38 pm

BballFanAddict wrote:Is it possible to front or back load a max deal like the one being offered by Portland for Hibbert? I thought I read somewhere that the new CBA makes it much more difficult to frontload, but makes it possible to backload. However, isn't a max contract just that, a max contract? Can you add a signing bonus? Can you make all of the raises due at a certain year in the contract?

I think a max contract is pretty boiler-plate pretty much eliminating and front or back loading. You can add a signing bonus of 10% but that won't significantly alter the cap-effect, just the initial up-front money paid out

there's just no room to build a toxic offer like the Blazers did for Matthews or Millsap

BballFanAddict · Post #316 » by **BballFanAddict** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 11:14 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
BballFanAddict wrote:Is it possible to front or back load a max deal like the one being offered by Portland for Hibbert? I thought I read somewhere that the new CBA makes it much more difficult to frontload, but makes it possible to backload. However, isn't a max contract just that, a max contract? Can you add a signing bonus? Can you make all of the raises due at a certain year in the contract?

I think a max contract is pretty boiler-plate pretty much eliminating and front or back loading. You can add a signing bonus of 10% but that won't significantly alter the cap-effect, just the initial up-front money paid out

there's just no room to build a toxic offer like the Blazers did for Matthews or Millsap

That's what I figured. Thanks for the explanation.

d-train · Post #317 » by **d-train** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 1:05 am

BballFanAddict wrote:Is it possible to front or back load a max deal like the one being offered by Portland for Hibbert? I thought I read somewhere that the new CBA makes it much more difficult to frontload, but makes it possible to backload. However, isn't a max contract just that, a max contract? Can you add a signing bonus? Can you make all of the raises due at a certain year in the contract?

There are the same options to front load a maximum contract but the new CBA reduced the options from what they were. I'm sure the Blazers will still do everything possible because if they hold their cap space until July 11, you can be sure the Blazers will want to penalize the Pacers as much as possible.

That so-called poisonous offer had a stiffer effect on the Jazz because there were luxury tax implications involved and the Jazz ownership maybe had less cash the Herb Simon.

Post #318 » by **Mr Odd** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 2:14 am

Man it sucks when you want to land a rfa
& you know the other team will wait 'til
the last min. to match the offer then
laugh and point at your team. "HaaHaa!!"
:banghead:

PDXKnight · Post #319 » by **PDXKnight** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:40 pm

Well now Goran Dragic is available. If the Hibbert plan messes this up I just might get angry...

Houston has been unable to reach a free agent agreement with Goran Dragic.

The Rockets reportedly are ready to move on after negotiations failed earlier this week.

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GreenRiddler · Post #320 » by **GreenRiddler** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:59 pm

Oden2 wrote:Well now Goran Dragic is available. If the Hibbert plan messes this up I just might get angry...

Houston has been unable to reach a free agent agreement with Goran Dragic.

The Rockets reportedly are ready to move on after negotiations failed earlier this week.

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Because signing a PG is so important when you have Lillard and Nolan Smith, while only having Myers Leonard and Kurt Thomas at C on the roster. Come on now....