Omer Asik and Rockets agree to deal 3 years 25 million

[Red Larrivee]

Its GMing 101.

Offering Fields 20 mil, not GMing 101.

Actually, that was a pretty creative move to take away one of the Knicks assets to offer Nash more money to play in NY with a S/T with Phoenix. Only problem is Fields probably isn't worth $6M, unless of course he's playing like he was pre-Melo.

[Rerisen]

think you're really reaching here

That depends on whether the FO thought the Bulls could have been a championship team this season. I know now that Derrick went down, its fashionable for everyone to say the Heat would have just kicked the Bulls rears, but that is not what the numbers suggested at all, contrary to last season.

has any team EVER paid a guy 8 mil per with the intention of giving him only 15 min/game?

If he is brought back, I do not believe that will be the intention. What that means for Noah, Boozer, Gibson, I don't know, but at least 2 of those guys are very talented players that certainly have value. And the last, well, even Joe Johnson's contract was moved.

If Omer walks, Bulls have -potential- money at some point down the line. Only a MLE atm is available. When will that money be reinvested? Until it is, probably less wins on the floor.

[Jimmy Forums]

This is a really big gut check for the Bulls. But I think the Rockets might end up out of luck all thanks to Derrick Rose. If the Bulls had lost in the playoffs, fair and square to Miami, it would be clear this team didn't have enough. But because we were robbed of that chance, I think the FO may feel its worth giving the same core team another shot. Even despite Rose's injury.

If they match this insane offer because they want to give this core another fair chance...

I don't even know how to finish this post. Not criticizing you personally, but man, if the FO did this using that logic...(see: "I don't even know how to finish this...")

[kingkirk]

Its GMing 101.

Offering Fields 20 mil, not GMing 101.

Actually, that was a pretty creative move to take away one of the Knicks assets to offer Nash more money to play in NY with a S/T with Phoenix. Only problem is Fields probably isn't worth $6M, unless of course he's playing like he was pre-Melo.

Creative is one word for it...

[Rerisen]

This is a really big gut check for the Bulls. But I think the Rockets might end up out of luck all thanks to Derrick Rose. If the Bulls had lost in the playoffs, fair and square to Miami, it would be clear this team didn't have enough. But because we were robbed of that chance, I think the FO may feel its worth giving the same core team another shot. Even despite Rose's injury.

If they match this insane offer because they want to give this core another fair chance...

I don't even know how to finish this post. Not criticizing you personally, but man, if the FO did this using that logic...(see: "I don't even know how to finish this...")

You realize if we don't largely hold it together, the Bulls can't do a proper rebuild till Boozer is gone right? Asik is our guy and so resigning him lets us go over the cap or into lux tax. We can't just sign any FA regardless of money, in his place. Asik leaving doesn't solve much there by itself.

In fact, matching Asik is more likely the signal of a sooner Boozer amnesty and the Bulls willingness to start spending. Because you certainly don't match if you plan to never be a tax paying team. If that's the route we are going, good luck beating the Heat or OKC with 10+ million less of a payroll. That chance flew the coup when Rose's deal kicked in.

To be honest if the Bulls dissemble what has been a great team, I think it means we are just going conservative money wise until MIrotic comes over. Whenever, if ever, the hell that is.

Which case, Deng or Noah should have been moved at the draft for young assets that could start developing this season. But we didn't do that, so if we aren't doing that, but also are letting all our depth escape, I'll be baffled what the plan is.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

And the last, well, even Joe Johnson's contract was moved.

I'm no fan, but Joe Johnson is a multiple time All star. Asik is a backup role-playin defensive center.

[Rerisen]

And the last, well, even Joe Johnson's contract was moved.

I'm no fan, but Joe Johnson is a multiple time All star. Asik is a backup role-playin defensive center.

Meant Boozer, also a multiple time All-Star.

[EastBayFJ]

Its GMing 101.

Offering Fields 20 mil, not GMing 101.

landry has had himself a fields day fo shizzle

[bullsnewdynasty]

And the last, well, even Joe Johnson's contract was moved.

I'm no fan, but Joe Johnson is a multiple time All star. Asik is a backup role-playin defensive center.

Joe Johnson has 4 years and $90 million remaining on his contract.

[EastBayFJ]

i betcha joe's jonson sees a lot of action

[Jimmy Forums]

This is a really big gut check for the Bulls. But I think the Rockets might end up out of luck all thanks to Derrick Rose. If the Bulls had lost in the playoffs, fair and square to Miami, it would be clear this team didn't have enough. But because we were robbed of that chance, I think the FO may feel its worth giving the same core team another shot. Even despite Rose's injury.

If they match this insane offer because they want to give this core another fair chance...

I don't even know how to finish this post. Not criticizing you personally, but man, if the FO did this using that logic...(see: "I don't even know how to finish this...")

You realize if we don't largely hold it together, the Bulls can't do a proper rebuild till Boozer is gone right? Asik is our guy and so resigning him lets us go over the cap or into lux tax. We can't just sign any FA regardless of money, in his place. Asik leaving doesn't solve much there by itself.

In fact, matching Asik is more likely the signal of a sooner Boozer amnesty and the Bulls willingness to start spending. Because you certainly don't match if you plan to never be a tax paying team. If that's the route we are going, good luck beating the Heat or OKC with 10+ million less of a payroll. That chance flew the coup when Rose's deal kicked in.

To be honest if the Bulls dissemble what has been a great team, I think it means we are just going conservative money wise until MIrotic comes over. Whenever, if ever, the hell that is.

Which case, Deng or Noah should have been moved at the draft for young assets that could start developing this season. But we didn't do that, so if we aren't doing that, but also are letting all our depth escape, I'll be baffled what the plan is.

I'm with you partly. Deng should've been moved, and we needed to retool this offseason and we clearly aren't doing that. However, Asik shouldnt be part of that retool if his price tag is 14 million in a few years. That would severely negatively affect our next window of retooling. Why would we pay (approx) 14 million to two players at the same position, when one of them is far and away more versatile and better overall? Say what you want about this current plan, but that one has a pretty major flaw in it as well.

Also, curb your frustration with my man Nikola a little bit. It's been one year, and we drafted him with the intent to stash him (thus "draft-and-stash"); we knew this was coming.

[Rerisen]

The ironic thing about your last comment is that Asik was our last "draft and stash" that was several years in the making. Now he would be lost for no value? Eh....

The Bulls also knew Asik's FA was coming and I don't think this offer actually is blowing them away that much, that's why I think good chance we match. Otherwise, we didn't manage this well at all.

Would it mean Noah was gone at some point? Maybe. He might have already been talked about in deals before the draft. K.C. Johnson wrote an early piece suggesting the team might look at moving he or Deng.

Is Asik as good as Noah? No, but Noah has a lot of value as a top end center in the league. If he could return a star scorer, that could be worth it and one of the few avenues the Bulls would have to land a real good offensive player. Denver was interested in him as the centerpiece to a Melo deal, so he has value. Outside of that, we are probably pining on some future Free Agency to acquire such talent, which you would have to clear talent off the team to setup, and in which, the Bulls have not fared well over numerous times.

If you don't have Asik, you can't entertain trading Noah. Center talent is extremely thin. Heck, if Asik walks, his backup will probably be someone on Chris Richards level. Team's going to get worse.

You could also trade Asik before year 3, who clearly has value based on Houston's offer, and Portland was talking to him as well. Or you have to move Asik as an expiring. Or you have to pay one year of high tax, and after that hope you can drop back down to avoid the repeater via Mirotic and the Charlotte pick coming on as part of a retooling.

Or... Noah learns how to stop being scared to shoot the Tornado, can play outside a bit more (he can already pass from the top of the key) and then JOMER becomes a frontline option.

It's not going to be easy regardless, and neither getting better by losing his talent and not having much more immediate flexibility anyway. Either side of the Asik choice, its going to be hard to make large improvements.

[Jimmy Forums]

The ironic thing about your last comment was that you admitted "center talent is extremely thin" but then suggested it was okay to trade Noah because we've got Asik. Asik is not even close. Noah better be bringing us one hell of a scorer if we're content with Asik being our starting center of the future.

[Rerisen]

The ironic thing about your last comment was that you admitted "center talent is extremely thin" but then suggested it was okay to trade Noah because we've got Asik. Asik is not even close. Noah better be bringing us one hell of a scorer if we're content with Asik being our starting center of the future.

Is he so much worse than Perkins, who Boston won a title with in 08, averaging 6.9 points a game? I don't think so. Chandler for Dallas was a little more competent but really has no offensive moves either.

Dirk/Chandler... Mirotic/Asik ... Hmmm? Lol, ok that's a stretch, but they didn't have D Rose either.

I'm not saying trading Jo is something that sounds desirable, but I don't see us getting no Eric Gordon in FA either. He's not even a max quality player and he just got a max offer from PHX, which will likely be matched by the Hornets. Doubtful Bulls would be able to clear the space necessary for the perfect player down the line even with letting Asik go. And if we did, we would be overpaying huge for that guy too.

When this team trades talent for money in hand and 'flexibility' I get worried, because flexibility just seems like this endless vague phrase that gets kicked on down the road for years and years. If we have to be a great team for Jerry to commit to tax, we'll we've been that for 2 years. Getting weaker by losing Omer and other depth, we might never be this close again, and thus never pass the trigger that makes this team spend the money to go there. Something that committing to Asik pretty much forces us to do and to enter that arena as a high paying team with the other big boys.

[kingkirk]

Re, Asik may be one of the worst offensive big men i've seen in a while.

The man has horrible hands, cant finish unless its a slam and isnt really that athletic where he can catch lobs like Chandler, McGee etc.

[Rerisen]

I said Chandler was better (not a ton) but Perkins... Omer can get there.

Weird thing is Omer's offense actually regressed last year and I'm not sure why. Might be mental. He just wasn't taking the ball up as quickly and with as much confidence.

Maybe Houston thinks Mchale can work with him. If we keep Omer, Ed Pinckney better pick it up, or we find someone else who can.

Playing most of his time with Lucas, CJ and the Bench Mob certainly isn't a boon to anyone's offense either.

[kingkirk]

Boston still played 4 on 5 with Perkins. Sometimes 3 v 5 with Rondo’s inability to shoot the ball.

Perk could hit the odd free throw on occasions as well.

Omer is also 26. I don’t know how much he can improve offensively.

His defence is just that good that you overlook it, to an extent, but he can’t really do anything on offense, even without the ball.

[Tommy Udo 6]

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