Devin Harris for Marvin Williams.

[MaceCase]

How is Marvin off the floor? A good practice guy? Hard worker? Legal problems? Coachable?

Tell me a little about his intangibles.

He's a high character guy, no legal problems, is always the first one on the court before games putting up shots and warming up. Has no ego and will lay back if his coach tells him to and for the benefit of teammates to a massive fault. Doesn't have that get mine attitude even when he's having a hot shooting night and will absolutely disappear if he starts off with a bad night.

For that reason some of his most drastic haters think he's lazy and hasn't worked on his game. Even use the fact that he goes back to UNC for summer classes as an example of him not working on his game (despite him working with their trainers and scrimmages against their current and alumni players that come back) but the truth is that he just isn't that good. Even our former beat writer that works for NBA.com now mentioned in a correspondence that he busts his ass in practice but the talent that people projected he had thanks to glimpses simply isn't there. Got hindered by his back for a couple years, looked explosive after the surgery but I think he tweaked it slightly again but still looks overall quicker and more fluid (shockingly) than he has the last few years.

Still good though and can help you in spots but he'll frustrate you while doing so because he's just so darn clumsy yet will break out the smoothest of moves every blue moon that make you say "wow! why doesn't he do that all the time?"

Oh yea, he's a notorious cheapskate. Doesn't like spending a single dime of his money that he doesn't have to. Even abuses the meal vouchers that NBA teams provide for players in addition to their contracts.

Doesn't use social media (obvious reasons, would receive a ton of hate mail/tweets/posts).

Playing an extra game in Portland will also help you as he likes showing out for his family that come down from the Seattle area.

Yea, I'd say that's it in a nutshell.

[theatlfan]

Do you think Harris starts over Teague?

No. Might start next to him but wouldn't supplant him.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Harris, Teague, Jenkins, and Morrow will be a good rotation at the guard spots. Morrow could see a few minutes at 3, leaving as many minutes possible for Harris to collect.

[torontoaces04]

I would like to see Harris start at the 2. If he could get back to being the scorer he was in NJ, that'll be good. With Johnson and Marvin gone, Harris is likely the 2nd scoring option.

[MaceCase]

I would like to see Harris start at the 2. If he could get back to being the scorer he was in NJ, that'll be good. With Johnson and Marvin gone, Harris is likely the 2nd scoring option.

Thus why we'd conceivably like him as a 6th man scorer. Teague serves best as a scorer, Smith isn't likely to decrease his volume with Johnson gone and Horford could stand to be more of a focal point himself. There's a glut at 2 guard too and they all spread the floor better.

I will say this though, the job may be his to lose but Teague isn't guaranteed a starting spot if he's getting out played by the very capable Harris. Ferry is evaluating this roster and I'm sure he'd definitely like to know if Jeffrey is a viable long term option worthy of a lucrative extension that would eat into our newfound capspace. He's not married to anyone on the squad outside of Jenkins and Scott and then Larry Drew was adamant that Teague and Hinrich would compete in camp before he went down to shoulder surgery last season.

[Rip2137]

This trade, unless we make another move, isn't a good one in my opinion.

1: I think Marvin would have increased his numbers, at least back to the 15 per game he had a few years back, with Joe gone. That would have driven up his trade value in the last year of his contract. Right now, the best you could get for him is a underachieving guy with a big contract at a position you don't need.

2. For all his faults he shot a good percetage from 3, played very good defense(despite the people on this board that apparently go blind whenever he was playing D) and rebouded well for his position. We have a hole at the position now, and I honestly think Marvin is better than most realistic guys we can get at the position like Delfino and others.

HOPEFULLY we are flipping Harris for a decent SF or packaging him with an expiring(Petro?) to get something in return. I still wish we would have traded for Trevor Ariza. Bad contract, but exactly what this team needs at the 3.

[myrak433]

This trade, unless we make another move, isn't a good one in my opinion.

1: I think Marvin would have increased his numbers, at least back to the 15 per game he had a few years back, with Joe gone. That would have driven up his trade value in the last year of his contract. Right now, the best you could get for him is a underachieving guy with a big contract at a position you don't need.

2. For all his faults he shot a good percetage from 3, played very good defense(despite the people on this board that apparently go blind whenever he was playing D) and rebouded well for his position. We have a hole at the position now, and I honestly think Marvin is better than most realistic guys we can get at the position like Delfino and others.

HOPEFULLY we are flipping Harris for a decent SF or packaging him with an expiring(Petro?) to get something in return. I still wish we would have traded for Trevor Ariza. Bad contract, but exactly what this team needs at the 3.

I don't agree with u on this one. We traded our 20 point scorer JJ and we needed another one. Teague isn't there yet. We do need a SF, but all we need is someone who can defend and hit an open jump shot

[parson]

If our big 2 (Horford and Smith) are going to work together, they're either going to line up with Horford at 5 and Smith at 4 or with Horford at 4 and Smith at 3. Since Horford wants to play PF and Smith has said he wants to play SF (for maybe 3 years he's said that - remember last year when he came in 25 lbs lighter to better play the 3?), why not try them out that way? What's it going to hurt? If it works out, great. If not, we trade one of them.

But, if it works, and if we can sign 2 major FAs in a sweetheart deal like the 3 at MIA did, we could possibly line up Howard/Horford/Smith/SG/Paul by giving Howard and Paul an idea what the team would look like.

[Rip2137]

This trade, unless we make another move, isn't a good one in my opinion.

1: I think Marvin would have increased his numbers, at least back to the 15 per game he had a few years back, with Joe gone. That would have driven up his trade value in the last year of his contract. Right now, the best you could get for him is a underachieving guy with a big contract at a position you don't need.

2. For all his faults he shot a good percetage from 3, played very good defense(despite the people on this board that apparently go blind whenever he was playing D) and rebouded well for his position. We have a hole at the position now, and I honestly think Marvin is better than most realistic guys we can get at the position like Delfino and others.

HOPEFULLY we are flipping Harris for a decent SF or packaging him with an expiring(Petro?) to get something in return. I still wish we would have traded for Trevor Ariza. Bad contract, but exactly what this team needs at the 3.

I don't agree with u on this one. We traded our 20 point scorer JJ and we needed another one. Teague isn't there yet. We do need a SF, but all we need is someone who can defend and hit an open jump shot

Devin Harris put up big scoring numbers on a bad team where he could shoot to his hearts content. He scored well in NJ that year while shooting in the low 40 percent, and sub 30 percent from 3 but was just gunning shots up there.

He isn't a good defender of the 2 guard position, and he can't hit the open jumper reliably(although he has improved his 3 point shot over the last couple of years).

Also, teague was a better scorer this year over Harris, think of what he can do next year.