Woj: Andrew Bynum is top target for Dwight Howard trade

Shaheen · Post #401 » by **Shaheen** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:22 am

Kupchak9 wrote:
The fact that you don't even know how old Brook is ends the conversation...

I made one mistake. You've made plenty. Chill out.

Shaheen · Post #402 » by **Shaheen** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:24 am

OneWhoKnocks wrote:
He averaged 18 as a 2nd/mostly third otpion. He has the best offensive repertoire for a big in todays NBA. I don't think he'll go 30 and 15, but 22-24/13 sounds very reachable as a first option. He's also been healthy for almost 2 years.

The Magic have very little leverage. I don't usually agree with Laker fans, but if the Magic FO really feel Humphries and Lopez + 3 late first round picks is going to help them, they're going to be in for an unpleasant surprise. If they can get something like Dwight + Jrich/Hedo for Bynum + Metta + future 1st round pick at this point they shouldn't be too greedy or they will screw over their franchise for years to come.

I'm not saying he can't average 20 but 30 is ridiculous. Bynum will NEVER average 30 points a game.

You realize how ridiculous that is? Shaq never averaged 30. Duncan never averaged 30. I don't know when the last time a center averaged 30 because I was not alive for it.

Gordon Bombay · Post #403 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:27 am

Shaheen wrote:Don't kid yourself. Bynum is a decent scorer and a good rebounder but he's no Dwight.

Dwight is a defensive monster. Bynum is half the defender Dwight is. And he is not close to as good of a scorer. And his durability is not close either. Bynum has had one healthy and productive season in his career. Dwight has had one serious injury this summer his entire career.

Comparing Bynum to Dwight is pure homerism on your part. The only reason he is starting on the all-star team i because the Center position is a joke nowadays.

bynum is a much better offensive player than howard is. bynum has an actual offensive repertoire. howard has athleticism

OneWhoKnocks · Post #404 » by **OneWhoKnocks** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:27 am

Shaheen wrote:
OneWhoKnocks wrote:
He averaged 18 as a 2nd/mostly third otpion. He has the best offensive repertoire for a big in todays NBA. I don't think he'll go 30 and 15, but 22-24/13 sounds very reachable as a first option. He's also been healthy for almost 2 years.

The Magic have very little leverage. I don't usually agree with Laker fans, but if the Magic FO really feel Humphries and Lopez + 3 late first round picks is going to help them, they're going to be in for an unpleasant surprise. If they can get something like Dwight + Jrich/Hedo for Bynum + Metta + future 1st round pick at this point they shouldn't be too greedy or they will screw over their franchise for years to come.

I'm not saying he can't average 20 but 30 is ridiculous. Bynum will NEVER average 30 points a game.

You realize how ridiculous that is? Shaq never averaged 30. Duncan never averaged 30. I don't know when the last time a center averaged 30 because I was not alive for it.

He doesn't need to average 30 to be a franchise center though. He would love to have his own team and be the first option for a change. Orlando's going to like that attitude. I can't argue the same about Lopez or Humphries.

vincecarter4pres · Post #405 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:29 am

Gordon Bombay wrote:
Shaheen wrote:Don't kid yourself. Bynum is a decent scorer and a good rebounder but he's no Dwight.

Dwight is a defensive monster. Bynum is half the defender Dwight is. And he is not close to as good of a scorer. And his durability is not close either. Bynum has had one healthy and productive season in his career. Dwight has had one serious injury this summer his entire career.

Comparing Bynum to Dwight is pure homerism on your part. The only reason he is starting on the all-star team i because the Center position is a joke nowadays.

bynum is a much better offensive player than howard is.

Nay.

Ckay · Post #406 » by **Ckay** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:30 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA7VclL8n0s[/youtube]

SCourGe OF GoD · Post #407 » by **SCourGe OF GoD** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:31 am

When bynum got his 20/20 this year Dwight was probly at home giving him a golf clap

Shaheen · Post #408 » by **Shaheen** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:32 am

Gordon Bombay wrote:
Shaheen wrote:Don't kid yourself. Bynum is a decent scorer and a good rebounder but he's no Dwight.

Dwight is a defensive monster. Bynum is half the defender Dwight is. And he is not close to as good of a scorer. And his durability is not close either. Bynum has had one healthy and productive season in his career. Dwight has had one serious injury this summer his entire career.

Comparing Bynum to Dwight is pure homerism on your part. The only reason he is starting on the all-star team i because the Center position is a joke nowadays.

bynum is a much better offensive player than howard is. bynum has an actual offensive repertoire. howard has athleticism

No.

Bynum's entire offensive "repertoire" is based off looks away from Kobe and Gasol. Take them off the team and lets see how offensively talented he is. Dwight has NOTHING.

Dwight Howard has scored 46 points in an NBA game. Lets see Bynum do that.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPuM33CkmyE[/youtube]

Hows this for repertoire?

Illogicality · Post #409 » by **Illogicality** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:32 am

only thing holding this trade back is Dwight's unwillingness to sign a deal right?

DeltronZeroHero · Post #410 » by **DeltronZeroHero** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:32 am

I'm pretty sure Bynum will be exploited *if* he gets traded to Magic. I mean look, there's a huge benefit playing along side one of the best player of all time in Kobe and another (former) All-Star big man in Pau. We all saw how Bynum's efficiency went to absolute **** when Kobe missed those games. Plus, Bynum is just really really terrible at handling double teams. Every time he gets double teamed, he either turns the ball over or force a really terrible shot - its as if hes allergic to passing out of the double or something.

swag2011 · Post #411 » by **swag2011** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:34 am

Shaheen wrote:
swag2011 wrote:

LOL you think the Nets deal is better because you're a Nets fan and you want Dwight to come to brooklyn. You say Bynum isn't a franchise player, yet Brooks, Humphries, Lopez or whatever they are offering are franchise players lol? You imply that an Andrew Bynum led team won't fill up seats, yet you think the trash that the Nets are offering will? Stop If they are going to the lottery anyway, might as well go with the 2nd best center in the league who is only 24 years old, right? At least it won't be a HUGE of a drop off from Dwight like the Nets offer.

If anything, the Houston offer would be the best, since they'd be getting alot of young talent AND picks i believe. But if it came down to it, obviously the Lakers deal is better than the Nets deal.

Whatever. We all have opinions.

No if you read my post I said that none of these guys are franchise players or will fill up seats. You have serious issues with reading comprehension.

Or you might as well go to the lottery with a good center, a good shooting guard, and several picks. It will be a huge drop off from Dwight.

Bynum is not in the same tier as Dwight. Don't make me laugh. And thats assuming he can stay healthy.

Not to mention the best part. Bynum can leave Orlando next off season. Which would make the deal completely and utterly useless.

"However, I still think our deal is better. Bynum is no franchise player. And Brooks and three picks are valuable. I don't care if they are 28th. That can bring you back quality bench player and maybe even a starter. "

That's your exact quote. You didn't say none of those were franchise players, you specifically said "BYNUM IS NO FRANCHISE PLAYER". So who has issues with reading comprehension, me or you? :lol:

Anyway, Bynum is the 2nd best center is he not? How is that not in the same tier. Defensively, yes Howard is way better, but offensively? Do you not watch Bynum play at all? Didn't he just give you 18 points on .558% shooting WHILE being the 2nd option on his team? Dwight gave you 20 points on .573 shooting while being the 1st option. How Dwight so much better scorer than Bynum? Do you not see Bynum's post moves? He has the best offensive game outta ANY big man in the league. Like i said, defensively, Dwight is better, but offensively, it's not that far apart.

It will be a drop off, but not a HUGE drop off like it would be if they would take the Nets deal. honestly, reading all your posts you sound SUPER salty and are trying to convince the world that the Nets are offering the best deal for Dwight. You are doing way too much lol, be mad at Dwight for opting in, or be mad at Brooklyn for having no assets.

Shaheen · Post #412 » by **Shaheen** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:34 am

Illogicality wrote:only thing holding this trade back is Dwight's unwillingness to sign a deal right?

Well kind of. LA and Orlando have to iron out the details. Orlando wants them to take back a deal and I believe they want picks.

LA wants them to take World Peace and Bynum and thats it.

But yeah the main thing is Dwight has not agreed to extend. And Dallas is sitting there waiting for him next off season.

OneWhoKnocks · Post #413 » by **OneWhoKnocks** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:39 am

DeltronZeroHero wrote:I'm pretty sure Bynum will be exploited *if* he gets traded to Magic. I mean look, there's a huge benefit playing along side one of the best player of all time in Kobe and another (former) All-Star big man in Pau. We all saw how Bynum's efficiency went to absolute **** when Kobe missed those games. Plus, Bynum is just really really terrible at handling double teams. Every time he gets double teamed, he either turns the ball over or force a really terrible shot - its as if hes allergic to passing out of the double or something.

It's funny because people complain on how Kobe supposedly takes so many shots and ruins team chemistry. I can actually see this situation possibly happening coming to think of it. During that stretch Kobe was out, Bynum had horrible efficiency and was Demarcus Cousins like in FG% (around 45% I believe). The attention Kobe draws allows Bynum to be in a position to succeed, no doubt.

Shaheen · Post #414 » by **Shaheen** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:42 am

swag2011 wrote:
"However, I still think our deal is better. Bynum is no franchise player. And Brooks and three picks are valuable. I don't care if they are 28th. That can bring you back quality bench player and maybe even a starter. "

That's your exact quote. You didn't say none of those were franchise players, you specifically said "BYNUM IS NO FRANCHISE PLAYER". So who has issues with reading comprehension, me or you?

Anyway, Bynum is the 2nd best center is he not? How is that not in the same tier. Defensively, yes Howard is way better, but offensively? Do you not watch Bynum play at all? Didn't he just give you 18 points on .558% shooting WHILE being the 2nd option on his team? Dwight gave you 20 points on .573 shooting while being the 1st option. How Dwight so much better scorer than Bynum? Do you not see Bynum's post moves? He has the best offensive game outta ANY big man in the league. Like i said, defensively, Dwight is better, but offensively, it's not that far apart.

It will be a drop off, but not a HUGE drop off like it would be if they would take the Nets deal. honestly, reading all your posts you sound SUPER salty and are trying to convince the world that the Nets are offering the best deal for Dwight. You are doing way too much lol, be mad at Dwight for opting in, or be mad at Brooklyn for having no assets.

So saying Bynum is no franchise player implies that Lopez is a franchise player? Are you serious?
Do you speak English?

Just because you are the 2nd best does not mean you are in the same tier as someone else. For example, the best NBA video game out there is NBA2k12. This game does not have any real competition because its just so good. The next best game would be NBA Jam. NBA Jam is a good game. Its a lot better than any other crappy NBA game out there like NBA Elite. But its no 2k.

Bynum is no Dwight. Defense is the main argument I'm making. Thats half of the NBSA Game.

I did not say he's leaps and bounds ahead of Bynum in scoring I just said he's better. Howard averages more points and does it without Kobe Bryant and Gasol taking attention away from him. I would say Lopez is also a better scorer than Bynum. His post moves are better.

No, it will be a huge drop off. Bynum cannot lead a garbage team to the playoffs. I will bet money on it. He is not good enough. His defense is not good enough and his scoring is not enough to carry a team. He cannot be a first option. He has not proven that.

The Nets are not offering the best for Dwight .I like the Houston deal much better. Try again.

Shaheen · Post #415 » by **Shaheen** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:46 am

The only thing Bynum does at a truly extraordinary level is rebounding. I remember one game he got like 30 rebounds. That is ridiculous. He could end up being the best rebounder in the NBA easily.

SCourGe OF GoD · Post #416 » by **SCourGe OF GoD** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:50 am

Shaheen wrote:The only thing Bynum does at a truly extraordinary level is rebounding. I remember one game he got like 30 rebounds. That is ridiculous. He could end up being the best rebounder in the NBA easily.

Guessing uv'e never heard of Kevin Love

Kupchak9 · Post #417 » by **Kupchak9** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:50 am

Shaheen wrote:
Dwight Howard has scored 46 points in an NBA game. Lets see Bynum do that.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPuM33CkmyE[/youtube]

Hows this for repertoire?

Dwight Howard at 25 years old in 2010-2011

46 points 19 rebounds 1 block 16-23 FG 14-22 FT% 8 Turnovers 46 minutes

Andrew Bynum at 21 years old in 2008-2009

42 points 15 rebounds 3 blocks 17-24 FG 8-11 FT% 2 Turnovers 36 minutes

OneWhoKnocks · Post #418 » by **OneWhoKnocks** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:52 am

Hmm coming to think of it, I don't even think LA would bite for a Bynum/Metta for Dwight/Jrich trade. Too much of a risk. I can see why Orlando wants the deal as it provides a likely franchise player for the Magic, but Lakers run the risk of losing Dwight in free agency 2013, to say the Mavs or Hawks.

swag2011 · Post #419 » by **swag2011** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:53 am

Shaheen wrote:
swag2011 wrote:
"However, I still think our deal is better. Bynum is no franchise player. And Brooks and three picks are valuable. I don't care if they are 28th. That can bring you back quality bench player and maybe even a starter. "

That's your exact quote. You didn't say none of those were franchise players, you specifically said "BYNUM IS NO FRANCHISE PLAYER". So who has issues with reading comprehension, me or you?

Anyway, Bynum is the 2nd best center is he not? How is that not in the same tier. Defensively, yes Howard is way better, but offensively? Do you not watch Bynum play at all? Didn't he just give you 18 points on .558% shooting WHILE being the 2nd option on his team? Dwight gave you 20 points on .573 shooting while being the 1st option. How Dwight so much better scorer than Bynum? Do you not see Bynum's post moves? He has the best offensive game outta ANY big man in the league. Like i said, defensively, Dwight is better, but offensively, it's not that far apart.

It will be a drop off, but not a HUGE drop off like it would be if they would take the Nets deal. honestly, reading all your posts you sound SUPER salty and are trying to convince the world that the Nets are offering the best deal for Dwight. You are doing way too much lol, be mad at Dwight for opting in, or be mad at Brooklyn for having no assets.

So saying Bynum is no franchise player implies that Lopez is a franchise player? Are you serious?
Do you speak English?

Just because you are the 2nd best does not mean you are in the same tier as someone else. For example, the best NBA video game out there is NBA2k12. This game does not have any real competition because its just so good. The next best game would be NBA Jam. NBA Jam is a good game. Its a lot better than any other crappy NBA game out there like NBA Elite. But its no 2k.

Bynum is no Dwight. Defense is the main argument I'm making. Thats half of the NBSA Game.

I did not say he's leaps and bounds ahead of Bynum in scoring I just said he's better. Howard averages more points and does it without Kobe Bryant and Gasol taking attention away from him. I would say Lopez is also a better scorer than Bynum. His post moves are better.

No, it will be a huge drop off. Bynum cannot lead a garbage team to the playoffs. I will bet money on it. He is not good enough. His defense is not good enough and his scoring is not enough to carry a team. He cannot be a first option. He has not proven that.

The Nets are not offering the best for Dwight .I like the Houston deal much better. Try again.

I saw in another one of your posts you said "Dwight Howard has scored 46 points in an NBA game. Lets see Bynum do that."

Well while Bynum hasn't scored 46, he has scored 42. This was in 09, right in the midst of all his injuries. At age 21 i remind you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqtkZRvumws
and LOL at lopez being a better scorer than Bynum and supposedly having better post moves. I expect you to say that as a Nets fan though. though. I'm sorry, i didn't know Lopez was the opposing team's main focus when playing the Nets now. TRUE lol.

Anyway, back to the script. I agree that Bynum can't lead a team to the playoffs. What i'm saying is that having bynum won't be such a big drop off for the magic COMPARED to getting humphries, brooks, etc. Let me break down what i'm saying to you. Bynum>>>>>Lopez, Humphries, those picks etc. Either way it's gunna be a drop off, but from the MAGIC standpoint, would you rather have the 2nd best center in the NBA, or get Lopez and them, and basically be the New Jersey Nets lol?

Shaheen · Post #420 » by **Shaheen** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:54 am

GhostX wrote:
Shaheen wrote:The only thing Bynum does at a truly extraordinary level is rebounding. I remember one game he got like 30 rebounds. That is ridiculous. He could end up being the best rebounder in the NBA easily.

Guessing uv'e never heard of Kevin Love

Kevin Love is also an excellent rebounder. I'm not saying he will be I'm saying he could be.