Trade Harris and Petro for a draft pick

[dtown8]

i wonder if anybody would be interested in Harris or Petro or both of them.

i know the Blazers are looking for a point guard, maybe the Suns.

i wonder if anybody would be willing to give up a protected pick or even a 2nd round pick for Harris.

i wonder if the Mavs would want to get Harris back after what happen with the Deron and Terry situation.

[MaceCase]

Do realize that we have to field a competitive team too next season? Or is your intention a full on tank job?

[dtown8]

^ i think having Harris on the team only results in +1 more win, so long term out weights the short term

i would take the -1 game if the Hawks can get another low first round draft pick and get a guy like Doug McDermott or Rodney Williams

[theatlfan]

Problem is that UTH and NJN both shopped Harris and Petro, respectively, for years before they used them as expirings to take the guy we were dumping. No one wanted either of them then, and I doubt that anyone would want to give up anything of value for either now.

Look at it this way: Harris was just used to trade for Marvin Williams. Petro's contract is roughly 1/3 the size of Harris' and is still considered much worse. There has to be other incentive either way for us to pull assets from them.

[dtown8]

Problem is that UTH and NJN both shopped Harris and Petro, respectively, for years before they used them as expirings to take the guy we were dumping. No one wanted either of them then, and I doubt that anyone would want to give up anything of value for either now.

Look at it this way: Harris was just used to trade for Marvin Williams. Petro's contract is roughly 1/3 the size of Harris' and is still considered much worse. There has to be other incentive either way for us to pull assets from them.

yeah, but that was before the free agent signings. after what happen with Jason Terry situation, Deron, Kidd, and Nash situation, maybe Mavs could use a PG with a short term contract.

and i don't know if the Blazers got a PG yet or not.

[MaceCase]

Thing you are missing is that an expiring is mostly valuable when you are taking back a longer contract. No team is going to burn a pick on these guys for a season of service and we aren't adding salary just for a pick unless it has lotto potential.

[dtown8]

Thing you are missing is that an expiring is mostly valuable when you are taking back a longer contract. No team is going to burn a pick on these guys for a season of service and we aren't adding salary just for a pick unless it has lotto potential.

Harris is not a top free agent (or young) where their will be a bidding war between teams. Harris is jsut a guy that a good team gets to fill their PG spot, he is not CP3 where teams are going to have a bidding war to make him the #1 on their team.

for instance, if the Mavs get Harris, i don't see any problem in the Mavs resigning him if he has a good year.

[myrak433]

the thing is you may not like Harris, but he is a legitimate 20 point score. we just traded our only one that adverages that in JJ. we can not move him for a 2nd round pick. that is foolishness. Harris is better than teague. lets see if teague takes the next step this year if so move Harris. if not move teague.

[dtown8]

the thing is you may not like Harris, but he is a legitimate 20 point score. we just traded our only one that adverages that in JJ. we can not move him for a 2nd round pick. that is foolishness. Harris is better than teague. lets see if teague takes the next step this year if so move Harris. if not move teague.

Teague is better than Harris (both offensively and defensively)

i don't hate Harris, but i also don't think he is a 20ppg scorer (20ppg scores is a super exaggeration) actually, i know he is not a 20ppg player.

i think that Harris can help the Hawks win one or two games, but that is it, just 1 or 2 games, so what is the big deal

the 2nd round pick suggestion was for teams like the Suns or Blazers who will probably be a high lotto team and get a 31st or 32nd pick

i'm okay with running a two point guard line up, but what is the point between a first round exit and second round exit for the Hawks. if i believe Harris' talents would be good enough to make the current Hawks team competitive in the ECF, then yes, i would keep him, but with or without Harris, i don't think ECF makes a difference.

Harris is a 11/5 guy (he was on a very good Jazz team with Jefferson and Millsap), maybe if he is on a contender like the Thunder or Lakers, he becomes a 15/6 again.

i think after losing Deron, Terry, and Kidd, the Mavs should look to Nash, and if Nash doesn't work out, then the best option for the Mavs would be Harris, and give Dirk the best opportunity until he retires.

[niffoc4]

There are two ways that Harris can bring back a first round pick
1. In a trade for a player with a longer contract (as mentioned)
2. At the deadline if he's played well, to a contender with a PG need.

Since we don't want any long-term contracts, if you want to deal him you'll have to wait.

[Skyhawk1]

I think Harris will surprise a lot of you. When he's healthy he's a heck of a player. I'm still shocked that we got him giving up only Marvin.

[HMFFL]

I think Harris will surprise a lot of you. When he's healthy he's a heck of a player. I'm still shocked that we got him giving up only Marvin.

I know, right!

Devin Harris will only become more valuable as long as we provide him with the proper minutes. If we decide to flip him, I have no problem with it, because we should receive a nice return before the trade deadline.

[dtown8]

There are two ways that Harris can bring back a first round pick
1. In a trade for a player with a longer contract (as mentioned)
2. At the deadline if he's played well, to a contender with a PG need.

Since we don't want any long-term contracts, if you want to deal him you'll have to wait.

exactly

[D21]

^ i think having Harris on the team only results in +1 more win, so long term out weights the short term

i would take the -1 game if the Hawks can get another low first round draft pick and get a guy like Doug McDermott or Rodney Williams

It's not exact in any case.
The best case is to have bench, and starters able to build lead as soon as they can, and rest them with a bench able to keep the lead as long as they can. It's also the way your bench is playing and improving (regarding your rookies).
Without Harris, or another PG we could get for him, Teague will have to play a lot, with more risk of injury and lower shape once playoffs start.

To trade both of them, you need now to wait two months, only trade with only one of them is allowed for the next two months.

[dtown8]

^ i think having Harris on the team only results in +1 more win, so long term out weights the short term

i would take the -1 game if the Hawks can get another low first round draft pick and get a guy like Doug McDermott or Rodney Williams

It's not exact in any case.
The best case is to have bench, and starters able to build lead as soon as they can, and rest them with a bench able to keep the lead as long as they can. It's also the way your bench is playing and improving (regarding your rookies).
Without Harris, or another PG we could get for him, Teague will have to play a lot, with more risk of injury and lower shape once playoffs start.

To trade both of them, you need now to wait two months, only trade with only one of them is allowed for the next two months.

i like Pargo

and again, Hawks are a second round team with or with out Harris. Harris does not get the Hawks into the ECF

[Geaux_Hawks]

If we are set on adding pieces to make the playoffs this year, I think Harris gives us talent and depth to help our backcourt look very strong. Morrow and Jenkins will be a deadly combo on the wing, with Teague/Harris ability to penetrate. Wouldn't be surprised if we are better than the Nets still.

[theatlfan]

Problem is that UTH and NJN both shopped Harris and Petro, respectively, for years before they used them as expirings to take the guy we were dumping. No one wanted either of them then, and I doubt that anyone would want to give up anything of value for either now.

Look at it this way: Harris was just used to trade for Marvin Williams. Petro's contract is roughly 1/3 the size of Harris' and is still considered much worse. There has to be other incentive either way for us to pull assets from them.

yeah, but that was before the free agent signings. after what happen with Jason Terry situation, Deron, Kidd, and Nash situation, maybe Mavs could use a PG with a short term contract.

and i don't know if the Blazers got a PG yet or not.

I think you missed the part directly after the part you underline ("for years"). This wasn't a one time shot. Both teams haven't been particularly keen on keeping those 2 on their roster. Harris was salary filler in the Deron trade; Petro was an FA that NJN immediately regretted - even for the (relative) pennies they signed him for. Sure, maybe someone at the deadline might get desperate, but with the draft looking particularly weak next year, I'd probably prefer to just let them expire than pick up a late 1st.

[dtown8]

Like i predicted way back..... i think Harris gets traded again.