Kevin Johnson vs. Steve Nash

[JMac1]

Damn that is a tough one. I just thought KJ would never be equaled when he retired Now I feel the same way about Nash

I can't choose

[cmw17]

KJ was a rookie when we traded for him at the deadline and he didn't even start for awhile, so that record isn't very reflective. KJ as a rookie was far better than Nash was as a rookie. In years 2-4 KJ played at a very high level, better than Nash did.

And you can't compare rookie years considering the PGs that were on the Suns when Nash was drafted (Prime KJ and also Jason Kidd) He didn't even get enough playing time to showcase his talents. 10 minutes a game? not an arguable point.

It's close, but in my opinion, I prefer KJ. When we were about to get ousted in a playoff series, he would score over 40 and drop 10 dimes. Nash did that once or twice maybe, but not like KJ.

And Nash made everybody much better than KJ ever did, something a PG is supposed to do, not score 40. (which Nash is more than capable of doing, since he was a much better shooter than KJ and much more creative and crafty)

[ecnirp]

I initially thought it would easily be Nash....

but looking at the year by year numbers......jeez...KJ may really be better than Nash...

Put it like this...Peak KJ puts up better #s than Nash.....Put him on Nash's team (from 05-12)...

I think KJ averages 24/11 rather easily...

Nash is bette as an "all time great" because his career is better. Nash won MVP's and played till he's almost 40. Thats unreal. He won 2 MVPs in the Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, LeBron era. Thats incredible.

But I must say...KJ was KJ.......I mean this as no disrespect....but if Nash ran Dallas system...would he be viewed as an all time great (maybe HOF still...just saying would he be viewed like he is now?) Nash was great...but that Mike D system really enhanced his game and his career. So much so that Gentry had to run that system..

I think KJ would be great regardless of the system...again...imagine him playing with Prime Amare/Prime Marion, or the years with a young Joe Johnson?

Again. Nash is "better" career wise.....but I think on talent...KJ was better.

[King Of Wang]

kevin johnson is better in every aspect, especially loyalty and properly functioning brain

[ATTL]

KJ is Rose/Westbrook in today's league. Except he gets more assists.

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[bwgood77]

KJ was a rookie when we traded for him at the deadline and he didn't even start for awhile, so that record isn't very reflective. KJ as a rookie was far better than Nash was as a rookie. In years 2-4 KJ played at a very high level, better than Nash did.

And you can't compare rookie years considering the PGs that were on the Suns when Nash was drafted (Prime KJ and also Jason Kidd) He didn't even get enough playing time to showcase his talents. 10 minutes a game? not an arguable point.

It's close, but in my opinion, I prefer KJ. When we were about to get ousted in a playoff series, he would score over 40 and drop 10 dimes. Nash did that once or twice maybe, but not like KJ.

And Nash made everybody much better than KJ ever did, something a PG is supposed to do, not score 40. (which Nash is more than capable of doing, since he was a much better shooter than KJ and much more creative and crafty)

I totally disagree with this. KJ, in years 2-4 in the league, averaged 11-12 assists (more than Nash ever did), and he played with far less talent on the Suns than Nash did. He played with Hornacek, who was fine when he played with KJ or Stockton, but sucked in Philly and Phx prior to KJ coming; Chambers, who was a good finisher, but nothing like Amare; Corbin, quite a downgrade from Marion.

KJ's teams NEVER missed the playoffs either. They were both GREAT at getting the most out of their teammates, but KJ was better at their peaks.

If KJ would have played in D'Antoni's/Gentry's offense, he would have simply been unstoppable and averaged like 15 assists a game.

Nash is a better 3 pt shooter though, so I'll give him that.

[bwgood77]

When Steve Nash was a rookie, I ran into him at a bar in Scottsdale, and talked to him a bit. At the time we had Sam Cassell and KJ as point guards I believe, and I told him to pattern his game after KJ and pay not attention to Cassell because he was a ball hog. I'm glad he listened.

[NYK 455]

KJ may have a bit better statistically speaking, but Nash has led historically great offense, and is the better offensive player imo. I think he takes this by a good margin. I mean, from a sheer volume number standpoint, Suns Marbury was at Nashs level, but eveyone knows Nash had 100 times the impact of Steph.

Nashs impact transcends his numbers.

[Azsports77]

Sorry But KJ all the way because he didn't sign with our most hated rivals and stab Suns fans i the back . I am a Suns fan first and fan of the players that make up the team second so what NAsh did was so he could go to a contending team not the garbage statement that he put out trying claim he did it for his kids that is total bs if he wanted to do this for his kids he can walk their and take the pay cut but no he ask to be traded their . So ask your self if your a true fan of the Suns then you should be thinking team first which is not trading what was your best player to the one team that has won more titles than any team in the NBA . Sorry but Steve NAsh did alot for this team but not enough to warrant him asking to be traded to the LAkers and Sarver even considering it and don't bring up the picks and cash he got I would rather lose nash for nothing than trading him to our hated rivals. So ask yourself are you a fan of Steve NAsh then your fine with what he did or are you a true suns fan and when steve Nash comes back you can choose to boo him but what better way than to do nothing let him hear silence that way he will get the message were great full for the time you played hear but hate you for going to our most hated rival.

[sunster]

Sorry But KJ all the way because he didn't sign with our most hated rivals and stab Suns fans i the back . I am a Suns fan first and fan of the players that make up the team second so what NAsh did was so he could go to a contending team not the garbage statement that he put out trying claim he did it for his kids that is total bs if he wanted to do this for his kids he can walk their and take the pay cut but no he ask to be traded their . So ask your self if your a true fan of the Suns then you should be thinking team first which is not trading what was your best player to the one team that has won more titles than any team in the NBA . Sorry but Steve NAsh did alot for this team but not enough to warrant him asking to be traded to the LAkers and Sarver even considering it and don't bring up the picks and cash he got I would rather lose nash for nothing than trading him to our hated rivals. So ask yourself are you a fan of Steve NAsh then your fine with what he did or are you a true suns fan and when steve Nash comes back you can choose to boo him but what better way than to do nothing let him hear silence that way he will get the message were great full for the time you played hear but hate you for going to our most hated rival.

That wall of text hurts my eyes.

[cmw17]

KJ, in years 2-4 in the league, averaged 11-12 assists (more than Nash ever did), and he played with far less talent on the Suns than Nash did. He played with Hornacek, who was fine when he played with KJ or Stockton, but sucked in Philly and Phx prior to KJ coming; Chambers, who was a good finisher, but nothing like Amare; Corbin, quite a downgrade from Marion.

What are you talking about? KJ only averaged 12 assists for one year and 11 for one and 10 for the other 2 years. And he never even averaged double figure assists again in his career!!! Meanwhile Nash averaged in double figure assists last 8 seasons and most of them at 11+.

And Suns were loaded with scorers then, Chambers scoring #s were similar to Amare. I could only imagine what he would score with Nash! Hornacek averaged between 17-20pts from 89-92 similar to Marion. And Eddie Johnson was a better scorer than Joe Johnson. Dan Majerle was a good scorer, even Xavier McDaniel averaged 16 in his one year with the team then. Take out the point guards and the surrounding cast was probably even better offensively then. "Far Less Talent?" I don't think so...

KJ's teams NEVER missed the playoffs either.

Well guess what? KJs surrounding cast weren't as bad as Nash's during the years they didn't make the playoffs. In addition, the West didn't have as many good teams back then as they do now, even fighting for the last playoff spot.

If KJ would have played in D'Antoni's/Gentry's offense, he would have simply been unstoppable and averaged like 15 assists a game.

And the defenses and pace of the game was different back then, Nash would have averaged 15 assists a game during KJ's prime.

Nash is a better 3 pt shooter though, so I'll give him that.

He's a better shooter PERIOD. May be best in the history of the game. And he's right up there with the best passers ever too. Which is why he's the better player and will get in the hall of fame, while KJ hasn't.

[Ryu]

Nash is great but I like KJ more. The main reason I started rooting for the Suns back in 1993.