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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#81 » by jigga_man » Wed Jul 4, 2012 11:08 pm

BlunnTashiz wrote:
AcecardZ wrote:Look at Kobe's playoff numbers and keep trying to convince us that Kobe's game has fallen off that significantly.


I don't think it has fallen off significantly, nor did I say so. Although, It has suffered a drop off that is incomparable to Nash. In regards to Kobe's playoff numbers, does 43% ring a bell?

Does 41% in 03-04 playoffs ring a bell? Maybe the Lakers should have worried about his falling fg% and let him go in free agency that year.

Or maybe they should have been concerned about how much he fallen off when he shot 43% in 01-02 compared to the 47% he shot in the playoffs the year previously?
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#82 » by Doormatt » Wed Jul 4, 2012 11:13 pm

kobes obviously fallen off year by year and this past year was not one of his best. i wouldnt say significantly (i mean its all relative), but the dropoff is pretty noticeable.

meanwhile nash is some sort of ageless wonder whose only drop in impact is related to minutes and not production.
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#83 » by ennui » Wed Jul 4, 2012 11:19 pm

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BlunnTashiz wrote:
AcecardZ wrote:Look at Kobe's playoff numbers and keep trying to convince us that Kobe's game has fallen off that significantly.


I don't think it has fallen off significantly, nor did I say so. Although, It has suffered a drop off that is incomparable to Nash. In regards to Kobe's playoff numbers, does 43% ring a bell?

Does 41% in 03-04 playoffs ring a bell? Maybe the Lakers should have worried about his falling fg% and let him go in free agency that year.

Or maybe they should have been concerned about how much he fallen off when he shot 43% in 01-02 compared to the 47% he shot in the playoffs the year previously?


OK, put words in my mouth.

I forgot how Kobe fans will defend any perceived slight, imaginary or real.

In 03-04 Kobe was not actively declining due to age. Which affects a Kobe Bryant more than say a Steve Nash(elevate to gain separation).
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#84 » by AcecardZ » Wed Jul 4, 2012 11:29 pm

Kobe's playoff PER was 24.4 this year...


Lakerfan isn't going to complain about that.

Nash's playoff PER this year? Oh wait!
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#85 » by ennui » Wed Jul 4, 2012 11:34 pm

:nonono:

I don't even know how to respond to that. Ummm... Nash's production =/= team success, especially if that team is actively rebuilding.

PER also favors volume scoring which is exactly what Kobe was doing.
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#86 » by Emperor_Earth » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:01 am

BlunnTashiz wrote::nonono:

I don't even know how to respond to that. Ummm... Nash's production =/= team success, especially if that team is actively rebuilding.

PER also favors volume scoring which is exactly what Kobe was doing.


Uh... if you want to argue at least argue effectively. Kobe's game is very unconducive to producing good PER #s.

Now I am for trading for Nash if he's open to it, old rivalries and all. But I harbor no delusions that he is not in the twilight of his career. The reality is that so is Kobe. Nash is one of the premier PNR guys in the league and would both rejuvenate Kobe and probably add an additional productive year to his career as well as raise his eFG% at least 3% points.

Additionally, Nash is someone that you cannot simply ignore as a ball-dominant PG. It would allow Kobe to focus on rolling off screens as he is actually fairly adept at rather than taxing his wrist and mangled fingers trying to beat his man off the dribble. In limited doses, Kobe can beat his man off isolation quite well. The problem is isolation basketball is the most taxing style of basketball energy wise and when it is simultaneously your goto set, and is combined with Kobe's greater turnover frequency, it leads to some pisspoor fourth quarter gaffes. Kobe is growing older. He's one of the fittest athletes I've ever had the honor of watching. But he just ran out of gas too many times and his fuel tank will only shrink as he enters his oh-mod-god there's no more tread on his tires part of his career/

I love Kobe's abilities. But I hate his game. Detractors of Nash will just scream Kobe: 5, Nash: 0 nahnahnahnahIcan'thearyou but the reality is that Kobe's offensive repertoire, while absolutely riveting and beautiful is incredibly inefficient. In fact, he is one of the most historically inefficient high-volume scorers that the league has ever seen. Sign me up, even if only for a year or two of a four year contract, of Steve Nash. If we're truly going to try to get a ring at the tail end of Kobe's magnificent run, then let's go allin.
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#87 » by DEEP3CL » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:01 am

Nash numbers are empty...his teams aren't winning games and here has no impact in games. He can't carry a team , so it's really moot to compare him to Kobe. Kobe has to carry his team nightly, Nash put up empty numbers on a pathetic team.
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#88 » by myersia » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:02 am

WHAT THE?!!

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620

Nash to LA for multiple picks all but done!!!

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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#89 » by AcecardZ » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:02 am

BlunnTashiz wrote::nonono:

I don't even know how to respond to that. Ummm... Nash's production =/= team success, especially if that team is actively rebuilding.

PER also favors volume scoring which is exactly what Kobe was doing.


PER doesn't favor volume scoring I don't believe. It favors efficient play more than anything else. No turnovers, higher shooting percentage, rebounds and assists. Scoring also helps but not volume scoring. That's my understanding anyway, if somebody cares to prove me wrong I'd love to have the data to back it up. In other words I don't know everything nor do I pretend to. If somebody cares to teach me something I'm all eyes and ears. :)
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#90 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:03 am

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620

Nash to LA for multiple picks all but done!!!



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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#91 » by Emperor_Earth » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:04 am

DEEP3CL wrote:Nash numbers are empty...his teams aren't winning games and here has no impact in games. He can't carry a team , so it's really moot to compare him to Kobe. Kobe has to carry his team nightly, Nash put up empty numbers on a pathetic team.


Nash puts up efficient #s on a terrible team.

Any talent can put of good stats at a lower efficiency: Kobe did it very well multiple times in his career.
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But Nash is a perennial 50-40-90 guy.

This being said, no Nash without D12. If you think Ramon was a matador on defense... We need D12's presence and if and only if his back is well enough to permit some semblance of a return to his DPOY level of impact.
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#92 » by Emperor_Earth » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:05 am

myersia wrote:WHAT THE?!!

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620

Nash to LA for multiple picks all but done!!!

https://twitter.com/#!/Gambo620


While I question the source, that sounds about right if it were to happen.
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#93 » by jigga_man » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:12 am

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620

Nash never wanted to go to Toronto he wanted to be closer to home in Phoenix, he falls into the 8.9 mill exception. Deal is done


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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#94 » by Draper » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:14 am

****! Wonder how reliable this guy is. Could just be jerking fans off.
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Post#95 » by Draper » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:15 am

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One of Steve Nash's close friends is convinced that he's ending up with the Lakers. So there's that. (Will they let him wear Wilt's No. 13
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#96 » by Wavy Q » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:15 am

who is this Gambo guy
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#97 » by Emperor_Earth » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:15 am

Draper wrote:****! Wonder how reliable this guy is. Could just be jerking fans off.


He's been known to have an in with Sarver. But anyone can fall into the allure and try the Twitter lottery.
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#98 » by Doormatt » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:16 am

Eh I don't believe it at all
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#99 » by TheXFactor » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:18 am

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620

New York was never really a serious option for Nash, he preferred the Lakers
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Re: Lakers Making A Late Move To Try And Sign Nash (updated) 

Post#100 » by BobbieL » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:18 am

Stephano wrote:who is this Gambo guy


I live in Phoenix, Gambo is radio personality who used to have close ties to the Suns. Not sure he does anymore

This just seems stupid. The Suns are well under the cap, the TE is useless. Now if the trade were Nash, Childress and Frye for Gasol and then the Suns flip Gasol, THAT makes sense. But two first rounders in the lower 20's AND a trade exception for a team UNDER the cap, stupid.

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